Why isn't only 5% of gamblers win but supposedly EVERYONE (or close) beats stocks?

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Been reading up on the stock market the past week and no where does it talk about a low pct of winning investors like it does with sports betting.

What is the reason for this? Is it because the wait and see approach wins out in the long run?
 

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In sports betting there is much more of the "human element"...this is one big difference....

1. Bad money management
2. Chasing loses
3. terrible handicapping
4. Betting into bad numbers
 

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Not many sports gamblers 'buy and hold'

Warren Buffett made buy and hold gospel
 

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Sam Odom said:
Not many sports gamblers 'buy and hold'

Warren Buffett made buy and hold gospel
Bought a bunch of his stock years ago and have been holding since!!:103631605
 

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gambling is a zero sum game. someone has to lose in order for someone to win.

investing in a companies stock is not a zero sum game.

as the company creates income it increases in value. unless you put all your money in one company the chances of you losing everything are slim, chances of losing or making a little are great.
 

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If you are going to make a comparison between the gambling world and the financial world, one would compare betting on a game versus day trading or option trading....NOT investing.
 

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Actually gambling is worse than a zero sum game because of the juice. The makers provide the service and earn their profits based on their volume and margins like any other business.

As bettors, we are in the business of betting. In order for a bettor to make a profit, he has to overcome the juice. That's why it's 52.38% to break even against -110, while it would only be 50% if wagering juice free.

Businesses create wealth or income as a result of their operations. Shareholders get part of that wealth in two ways, dividends (for those corps that pay them) and capital appreciation.

Without any specific knowledge or edge, the stock market player should make money. Without any specific knowledge or edge, the gamble will certainly lose money.

Quite possible to make money gambling, you just have to be more proficient in the games you choose to play as opposed to the stock market, where being "average" should earn you a modest profit.
 

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I actually have a stock that has done well for 4 years... >:X I'd tell but I need to hit it up before you all stack up on it. It's treated me well, bought it as a younger around $13... jumped to 40, later on to 60+, then I sold it. Went up to 80+ and I was just angry at myself... then I think it went OVER 100!!! Split a few times I believe.

I just started buying more of it a few months ago and once I have enough, I'll let you guys know >:p
 

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Panther Outlaw said:
Actually gambling is worse than a zero sum game because of the juice. The makers provide the service and earn their profits based on their volume and margins like any other business.

As bettors, we are in the business of betting. In order for a bettor to make a profit, he has to overcome the juice. That's why it's 52.38% to break even against -110, while it would only be 50% if wagering juice free.

Businesses create wealth or income as a result of their operations. Shareholders get part of that wealth in two ways, dividends (for those corps that pay them) and capital appreciation.

Without any specific knowledge or edge, the stock market player should make money. Without any specific knowledge or edge, the gamble will certainly lose money.

Quite possible to make money gambling, you just have to be more proficient in the games you choose to play as opposed to the stock market, where being "average" should earn you a modest profit.

I might count the "fees" from brokers as juice >:T sucks as a youngster, even if it's only $4-8/trade.
 

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gambling and investing are 2 completely different things......

gambling and trading are more closely related....... big difference is,,,, you can end the trade, whenever you want..... you either win or lose the bet, once the game is complete....... in a trade, you can lose alot, lose a little, breakeven, win little or win alot...... you decided this, as the trade progresses.......
 

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buddyboy said:
gambling is a zero sum game. someone has to lose in order for someone to win.

investing in a companies stock is not a zero sum game.

as the company creates income it increases in value. unless you put all your money in one company the chances of you losing everything are slim, chances of losing or making a little are great.
This is the key.
 

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The stock market is like a casino with the odds in your favour, you are essentially the house.

Some people still manage to fuck it up though.:ughhh:
 

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Pancho Sanza said:
The stock market is like a casino with the odds in your favour, you are essentially the house.

Some people still manage to fuck it up though.:ughhh:


not trying to sound like a smart ass but why are the odds in your favor. I like the zero sum answers, seem true.
 

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If investing in stock is easy money, why are we you guys still gambling then? Is it just for fun? :ughhh:
 

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Iceman said:
not trying to sound like a smart ass but why are the odds in your favor. I like the zero sum answers, seem true.

Returns over the last 80 years are 10 % on average in US stocks.
 

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Pancho Sanza said:
Returns over the last 80 years are 10 % on average in US stocks.
:toast:

right, so being just average and you are way up.
 

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BookieNemesis said:
If investing in stock is easy money, why are we you guys still gambling then? Is it just for fun? :ughhh:

Good point.

And to expand further...why isn't everyone investing in the stock market if it is so easy to make a profit?
 

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