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Online Poker Inches Closer to Exemption From Gambling Law Powerful industry leader and President of the Poker Players Alliance, Michael Bolcherek, claimed on Tuesday that the PPA was very close to introducing a bill to Congress that would ultimately have online poker exempt from recently passed legislation.

Michael Bocherek:

"As we know painfully well, poker has come under vicious attack over the past year. We continue to learn on a regular basis about home and tavern poker games being raided by law enforcement and how charitable Texas Hold ‘Em tournaments are being shut down. Perhaps even worse, we have seen the federal government’s full force efforts to curb this American tradition from the Internet. Legislation aimed at prohibiting you from funding your online poker accounts passed the U.S. House this summer, then was quietly slipped into a port security bill, literally in the dark of night, which was signed into law on October 13. During these troubling times, the PPA has given you a voice to express your opposition to the government’s intrusive actions and to rally in a united fashion against these constitutional incursions.

"The impact has been jarring, as the largest, publicly traded online poker operators shut down services to U.S. players. While many reputable sites still offer services to U.S. players, recent actions to close down payment processors and to subpoena banks are clear indications that the federal government is aggressively pushing the online gambling prohibition.

"We don’t have to tell you that a prohibition won’t work, and in fact will likely cause many more problems than it aims to solve. The unintended consequences will soon be apparent and all the good intentions of protecting children, helping problem gamblers, and ensuring the integrity of financial transactions will be lost as rogue sites and unregulated payment methodologies surface to replace the trustworthy operators the government is driving out of business.

"The PPA is not standing idly by. Poker should be exempt under the new law and that exemption is our primary goal. I have spent a good portion of January in Washington, D.C., meeting with lawmakers and others to get support for legislation that would provide a “skill game” exemption for poker. We hope to have a bill introduced very soon and then bring to bear the voice of more than 135,000 members of the PPA to push Congress to do the right thing. This would be a very positive development for the game. For the past year, we have been on the defensive, but now is the time to go on the offensive and get a bill introduced.

"This year we will also be taking the issue directly to Members of Congress in their home districts, to truly nationalize the debate. We had a tremendous response from our members about becoming PPA grassroots representatives on the state and regional levels. Soon we will be announcing our positions across the country and engaging U.S. Representatives and Senators where they used to feel safe from facts and spirited debate.

"While we are working toward the short-term goal of a poker exemption, the PPA will also be laying the foundation for the eventual U.S. regulation of online poker. This is the only proven public policy for online gaming. Licensing, regulating, and taxing online poker is technically feasible and the sensible and fiscally responsible thing to do. We will be working with others in Washington to move Congress in this direction.

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"The PPA is not standing idly by. Poker should be exempt under the new law and that exemption is our primary goal. I have spent a good portion of January in Washington, D.C., meeting with lawmakers and others to get support for legislation that would provide a “skill game.


AGAIN, WE ARE LED TO BELIEVE THAT SPORTSBETTING IS A NOT A GAME OF SKILL............RIDICULOUS!!
 

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Isn't sitting your fat ass in a chair for countless hours playing online poker a more degenerate degree of lower moral standards.

Have you ever played poker in a card room where all players were losing or at least even and as a group you figured out all the money that dissapated was in the rake.
 

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Come on Fish admit it. All your years of mastering this game and the success you enjoy is a result of your Great Karma. You are just a better, and luckier, person than most.
 

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MoneyManager said:
Come on Fish admit it. All your years of mastering this game and the success you enjoy is a result of your Great Karma. You are just a better, and luckier, person than most.

If luck was not a factor, I would never lose a sports wager........much like PHIL HELLMUTH has stated he would never lose a poker tourney.

Having said that, to win longterm in sportsbetting AND poker takes much, much more skill than any amount of luck.

BOTH require skill over luck to prosper...........just like in the stock market.

-FH-
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At the risk of offending the "Religious Right" ---- Amen to that!

Same applies to all types of investments.
 

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Fishhead said:
If luck was not a factor, I would never lose a sports wager........much like PHIL HELLMUTH has stated he would never lose a poker tourney.

Having said that, to win longterm in sportsbetting AND poker takes much, much more skill than any amount of luck.

BOTH require skill over luck to prosper...........just like in the stock market.

-FH-
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Fish -- The Phil Hellmuth of Sportsbetting :lolBIG:

Except you would of course lose bets like New Orleans +3 at Chicago. :ohno:
 

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The reason draw poker was allowed in Calif. originally was because it was a game of skill. Hold em and stud are NOT a game of skill...more of luck because you don't see all the cards at one time. Improvong your hand on the turn or river is just luck.
 

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MoneyManager said:
At the risk of offending the "Religious Right" ---- Amen to that!

Same applies to all types of investments.

I recommend to everyone here to read how the STOCK MARKET in the UNITED STATES came to be..........

In short, the MASSES had to get it through the governments head that STOCKS was a M-A-R-K-E-T and thus should be made LEGAL.

Sportsbetting is also a M-A-R-K-E-T!

-FH-
 

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An Exemption for poker?! They are the reason there is a law at all. Like having a law against bank robbery and carving out an exemption for bank robbery!! Unbelievable. Was great betting sports until these disfunctional whimps got involved.
 

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An Exemption for poker?! They are the reason there is a law at all.
Exactly. We were pretty well under the radar until about 2004.
 

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So In the end we have Chris MoneyMaker to blame ? :think2: :ohno: :bigfinger
So right ... they knew but no one cared about the sportsbetting guys. It's only when the POKER BOOM hit, and the amount of $$$$ people could win was all over the internet,tv, newspapers etc. Not to mention, the local gambling sting last year just after the SuperBowl (IE. Big names mentioned ala Janet Gretzky, Rick Tocchet, several unnamed NHL palyers)

If this does some how pass, the Vegas Casinos won't be far behind looking to add internet based casinos/sports betting/ horse racing.

I have an easy solution that solves everyones problem. Legalize it, have Vegas run it, Tax it! What's so F'In hard about that ??

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Rude said:
So In the end we have Chris MoneyMaker to blame ? :think2: :ohno: :bigfinger
So right ... they knew but no one cared about the sportsbetting guys. It's only when the POKER BOOM hit, and the amount of $$$$ people could win was all over the internet,tv, newspapers etc. Not to mention, the local gambling sting last year just after the SuperBowl (IE. Big names mentioned ala Janet Gretzky, Rick Tocchet, several unnamed NHL palyers)

:smoking:
Imagine if ESPN ultimately does lose money from all this. They will basically in effect have shot themselves in the foot for airing the WSOP!
 

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Your avitar says all we need to know about you. How long are you going to continue to live in your mother's basement? What did Moneymaker have to do with my statement?
I hope they shut down the entire internet 'poker' playing 'industry'. At least some of the drones that play it will service in my live games for me to carve up.
 

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I just mentioned MoneyMaker cuz his name goes hand in hand with on-line poker. If you ask anyone who plays poker online if they know who Chris MoneyMaker is, 9 times out of 10, I'll bet you they do.

He's the poster boy for your average home player (once-3 times a month player), that poker sites target for them to become a regular on-line player. I'm not saying he is the cause, but it sure didnt help.
 

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Any nitwit politician who thinks online sports betting or poker is not based on skill is welcome to hang the lines against me. He can even have -110... Must produce lines on all sports... He better have a big budget.

Sean
 

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I would hang lines on anyone and everyone at -110.
 

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Sorry, Rude. This sitauation of being slow-payed or no-payed and being shoveled BS by sportsbooks has me really on edge. Overreacted.
 

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bulldog77 said:
Sorry, Rude. This sitauation of being slow-payed or no-payed and being shoveled BS by sportsbooks has me really on edge. Overreacted.

No Problem. Just last month had a problem with Neteller myself. Requested a ETF withdrawal, usually takes 1-3 business days. Well for some reason something like 10 business days later I get it. Looking past all the BS I was told, what I was hearing was "You'll get it, when you get it!"

I can understand how some of you guys are pissed off that most of this happend overnight, and trying to get a hold of a live person to talk to regarding your money and how its sent, and when must be frustrating.

One bright spot that we can hope for, is that in the long run they do legalize it, thus making everyone happy. Untill then, all we can do is hope for the best.
 

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bulldog77 said:
An Exemption for poker?! They are the reason there is a law at all. Like having a law against bank robbery and carving out an exemption for bank robbery!! Unbelievable. Was great betting sports until these disfunctional whimps got involved.

I buy the "under the radar" argument to an extent, but you have to give poker some credit--they've marketed their game to the media and to the general public 1000% better than sports gambling. You can say that its not important and its better to stay under the radar, but that's precisely why they're in a position to even ask for an "exemption".

Consider this--my little brother and his friends started playing Texas Hold'em together when they were juniors in high school. My mom thought it was "cute" and went out and bought him a poker table. That, my friends, is a classic example of the mainstream acceptance that poker has and "our thing" lacks...
 

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