OFFSHORE in TROUBLE?? NO WAY this is just temporary!!

CLGambler · Jan 28, 2007

I've been asuured by some offshore people that this Neteller and Pinny closings is definitely NOT the end of offshore as we know it. With the super bowl coming and the feds knowing this is their biggest time of the year they did this to just put the offshore business in shambles. JUST like locals doing in their jusisdiction to a local this time of the year. I have been paid 3 times this week by western union and money gram by a shop that usually pays same day but next day was given the control # or reference # which is cool to me. This is just temporary and you'll see a new means ot transfer coming soon offshore. They can't stop offshore through western union or moneygram when you are sending to a person, just change up the senders name every now and then and you'll never getv red flagged. ONLY keep all transactions under the radar og 999$. I know its a bit of inconvience for some but you have to do what you have to do. All this is doing in my eyes is showing me no large sum of money is safe anywhere offshore but as far as betting offshore everything as normal in my book.

CL

bettorstalk.com · Jan 28, 2007

Do you have money in Neteller?

Aceking · Jan 28, 2007

its a strange industry , from DDOS hackers to stiff books to govt laws.

CLGambler · Jan 28, 2007

Yes I am waiting for a 2700$ check and not sure what will happen with that. But it does feel good collecting 3 times in the past 4 days with western union and money gram though. Pinnacle and Neteller have strong ties here in the states. Many offshore shops have no ties with the US and those who do don't care cause they don't travel through here, at least not with their real names. Believe me all offshore shops LOVE ALL US clientelle cause they are over 60% of their business. MOST are going NO where.

CL

CLGambler · Jan 28, 2007

Strange indeed, but these DOS attacks, laws, and STIFF books will always be here in the future too. Hell many FEDS use to love to bust up LOCALS this time of year, shutting them down super bowl time, now they moved on to the internet thing as locals are not as many as before. ThE FEDS did hit the offshore with a hard right and gave them a black eye while knocking them down BUT they are back on their feet and will come back and knock out the FEDS by the end. I do know that the BIGGEST ORGANIZED CRIME place their is in the world is the F.B.I. but even they can't shut down offshore completely. They can never stop anyone from sending $$ to a person offshore.

CL

boatboatboat · Jan 28, 2007

CL when you spoke with your off shore contacts what did you expect them to tell you? "damn looks like we are toast, in a matter of 2 weeks the largest book (pinny) and the largest source of transfers (netteller) have been shut down in the United States. Sure some folks will find a crack here and there that will allow them to continue gambling, but for the most part the Feds by Mid 2007 will have shut down 90%+ of the United States www gambling"

Did you expect them to say that?........or did you expect them to paint a rosey picture and make everything sound like it will be ok?

anxietyattack · Jan 28, 2007

CL Gambler said:
I've been asuured by some offshore people that this Neteller and Pinny closings is definitely NOT the end of offshore as we know it. With the super bowl coming and the feds knowing this is their biggest time of the year they did this to just put the offshore business in shambles. JUST like locals doing in their jusisdiction to a local this time of the year. I have been paid 3 times this week by western union and money gram by a shop that usually pays same day but next day was given the control # or reference # which is cool to me. This is just temporary and you'll see a new means ot transfer coming soon offshore. They can't stop offshore through western union or moneygram when you are sending to a person, just change up the senders name every now and then and you'll never getv red flagged. ONLY keep all transactions under the radar og 999$. I know its a bit of inconvience for some but you have to do what you have to do. All this is doing in my eyes is showing me no large sum of money is safe anywhere offshore but as far as betting offshore everything as normal in my book.

CL

Who is your offshore contact? Jimmy from Long Island who worked at BOS for 6 bucks an hour.

steaktartar · Jan 28, 2007

CL Gambler said:
Yes I am waiting for a 2700$ check and not sure what will happen with that. But it does feel good collecting 3 times in the past 4 days with western union and money gram though. Pinnacle and Neteller have strong ties here in the states. Many offshore shops have no ties with the US and those who do don't care cause they don't travel through here, at least not with their real names. Believe me all offshore shops LOVE ALL US clientelle cause they are over 60% of their business. MOST are going NO where.

CL

in the majority of on screen donbest books U.S. clientele is closer to 90 percent

MoneyManager · Jan 28, 2007

Shut down all international business/money flow because of internet gambling? Seems like the tail wagging the dog to me.

It's always darkest before the dawn ---- my guess is that this too will pass.

kermit16 · Jan 28, 2007

I will be watching situation very closely as I can see more closures to US customers right after Super Bowl. We shall see !

ClipJoint · Jan 28, 2007

kermit16 said:
I will be watching situation very closely as I can see more closures to US customers right after Super Bowl. We shall see !

I agree 100%. This is the time when most would get out anyway. With so much instability, I could see many more walking away not only from US customers, but from the industry all together.

wisdom · Jan 28, 2007

offshore

Offshore is not going anywhere the strong will survive and the week will fall .There have to revamp there way of doing things which they will .
Neteller right now still letting you transfer money into foreign customer acct .They are afraid right now to EFI the money to USA banks that they might be freeze the money which would cause more Problem .They are acting carefully .If they have to they will sent everyone checks .They are still paying everyone not in the USA same as usual .

i know it is a nerve racking time but it will work . One thing I would do is lower your balances and get all your money out of the weaker books . after Super Bowl many will fall to the wayside .Dont get caught with you pants down .

MaxPower+ · Jan 28, 2007

Now that the feds have the offshore looking vunerable, The Las Vegas Sands Group and the Las Vegas Harrahs Group are setting up on-line operations in the U.K.. Looks like a little bit of collusion going on there. Of course U.S. bettors will not be able to use them (For now).
I wonder why it is against the law for U. S. individuals to use off-shore sportsbooks, but U.S. companies can start up offshore sportbooks. Seems like if one is morally wrong then so should the other. Maybe the government should make corporations behave the same way that the government wants its citizens to behave. there would be some howling then don't you know.

wilheim · Jan 28, 2007

I don't want to braodcast this by hollering from the rooftops but for smaller players the Visa Gift Cards you can buy at any Walgreens work well for depositing with some sportsbooks (BetJamaica for sure)..

http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/prepaid/gift_card_how.html

wil..

go2guy · Jan 28, 2007

kermit16 said:
I will be watching situation very closely as I can see more closures to US customers right after Super Bowl. We shall see !

I see the same as well. The US has already proven that they truly have the long arm of the law and I can't see operators willing to risk their money and/or freedom to prove a point. Once the Super Bowl is through the ones who stayed around will dump their US customers. Some will slow pay, some will stiff and most if not all reputable books will be gone.

BetNowThankLater · Jan 28, 2007

CL Gambler said:
I've been asuured by some offshore people that this Neteller and Pinny closings is definitely NOT the end of offshore as we know it. With the super bowl coming and the feds knowing this is their biggest time of the year they did this to just put the offshore business in shambles. JUST like locals doing in their jusisdiction to a local this time of the year. I have been paid 3 times this week by western union and money gram by a shop that usually pays same day but next day was given the control # or reference # which is cool to me. This is just temporary and you'll see a new means ot transfer coming soon offshore. They can't stop offshore through western union or moneygram when you are sending to a person, just change up the senders name every now and then and you'll never getv red flagged. ONLY keep all transactions under the radar og 999$. I know its a bit of inconvience for some but you have to do what you have to do. All this is doing in my eyes is showing me no large sum of money is safe anywhere offshore but as far as betting offshore everything as normal in my book.

CL

The official Money Gram transaction guide says that they are required to red-flag any transaction more than $2000. However, they may file a SAR on any transaction of any amount that they feel is suspicious. It's really up to the teller you are dealing with. However, any sum under $2000 should be safe unless you are wearing a turban.

CLGambler · Jan 28, 2007

I'll let you know how it goes picking up another payout western union tomorrow, I'll wear a turban and see what goes of it. Anyhow I'm lucky I guess cause I use the same person with western union and its a friend so I hope I'm safe. I do keep the transactions under 999$ though and don't mind paying the fees.

CL

jwunderdog · Jan 28, 2007

wilheim said:
I don't want to braodcast this by hollering from the rooftops but for smaller players the Visa Gift Cards you can buy at any Walgreens work well for depositing with some sportsbooks (BetJamaica for sure)..

http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/prepaid/gift_card_how.html

wil..

Anyone sending anything but shit&giggle money offshore is truely betting on a longshot. Odds of making money are a lot higher then getting your $ back.Just wait the week after the super bowl should be very interesting.