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</NYT_BYLINE>Published: February 2, 2007
<NYT_TEXT>It was only one of 82 games for the Devils this season, on the road last Saturday night against the Florida Panthers. Not much will be recalled. The Panthers won, 4-2, in front of 18,136 fans at the BankAtlantic Center.
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But something quite extraordinary occurred in the New York market: A hockey game broke out on MSG, but almost no one watched.
Only 736 households — a minuscule .01 rating — tuned in.
That is 736 out of nearly 7.4 million, from 7:30 to 10 p.m.
The figure is embarrassing to mull. Saturday is a low-viewing night, sure. But 736? The game didn’t face unusual competition. The Sabres-Islanders game was on FSNY, but the Rangers had played that afternoon.
“Titanic” was on TNT, “Cops” on Channel 5, college basketball on ESPN and ESPN2, and a rerun of “Without a Trace” on Channel 2.
But 736?
There are wee places in New Jersey whose housing units total about as much, like Mullica Hill (737), the borough of Allentown (718) and the township of South Hackensack (830), according to the 2000 census.
To find 736 homes can’t be easy for Nielsen Media Research. It is like trying to find ice chips in a haystack, Pat Buchanan supporters in my mother’s Century Village development in Boca Raton, Fla., or hair on my dome.
But these are the Devils who lead the Atlantic Division, the Devils who have won three Stanley Cups, the Devils who were brought to New Jersey by John J. McMullen, who loved them so very much. Unfortunately, these are also the Devils who live in the Rangers’ shadow.
To be fair, the Devils don’t always draw 736 local households to their televised ice soirees. They average 13,206 (based on a .18 rating), better than the Islanders (7,336), but far worse than the Rangers (36,834).
Among all the Fox Sports Net regionals, the Red Wings lead all hockey teams, averaging a 5.0 rating and 96,915 households. But that’s Detroit. In the Miami market, about 2,000 homes watched the Devils-Panthers game on FSN Florida.
Mike Emrick, the TV voice of the Devils, was not speaking to the Group of 736 (Steve Cangialosi substituted), but he was in Detroit for the next afternoon’s NBC network game. He was surprised by Saturday’s rating, but he preferred not to dwell on how much work he, his partner, Chico Resch, and their crew put in to provide so much hockey to so few.
“I don’t know whether ignorance is bliss, but it doesn’t affect what we do,” he said yesterday by telephone. “And we don’t hear much about the numbers.”
He added: “I’m shocked that the Devils aren’t appreciated by more people. They’ve done their best to be successful, that’s for sure.”
On Saturday night, when Buffalo defeated the Islanders, 5-3, the game attracted a modest 8,103 local TV households on FSNY, a little more than usual for the team. But a minor surprise, beyond the Tale of the 736, was that 10,271 households clicked to SNY to watch the New York Titans play the Rochester Knighthawks in a National Lacrosse League game on SNY.
While a .14 rating is normally a rationale for a team to lock itself in the Zamboni garage (and a .01 is a reason never to come out), it is a sign of hope for the Titans, who are in their inaugural season in the N.L.L. and were quick to alert the news media of their ratings triumph.
Maybe the Titans benefited Saturday night from being a novelty, from letting the Islanders and the Devils split the hockey vote, from bearing the same name the Jets once did in their Harry Wismer-Al Dorow vintage, or from the notoriety brought to lacrosse by the Duke sexual-assault case.
“We have a young audience, a young demographic, and we drew 13,127 for our home opener,” George Daniel, the Titans’ president, said. “Lacrosse is the fastest-growing sport in the country, and the N.L.L. is TV friendly.”
He said lacrosse was similar to soccer and hockey in its physicality but had much more scoring. On Saturday, the Titans lost, 22-18. Daniel added that it was possible for his Titans to sustain Saturday’s rating in future games.
Emrick, who called lacrosse for NBC during the N.H.L. lockout, is an admirer of the players and the sport. “They’re schoolteachers one day, and the next they come out and play,” he said. “And boy, do they leave it all out there. You have to hate humanity not to like lacrosse players.”

The N.L.L. is not the first league to compare its ratings favorably with the N.H.L.’s. The Arena Football League has done so with its national ratings, but another league’s crowing certainly is not required to recognize the sapping of the N.H.L.’s television strength in the United States.
Last Wednesday’s N.H.L. All-Star Game found 691,000 viewers on Versus, a huge falloff from the 2.7 million on ABC when it was last played, in 2004, and a still steeper drop from the 6.5 million who watched in 1996 on Fox. The game should have been on NBC, where it could have received the wider exposure compared with Versus, which lacks full cable distribution.
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Even I can't stand to watch a Devils game. these 736 households are hardcore as can be, or they weren't home and accidentally left the TV on.
 

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Hockey is unwatchable without a bet. 736 households in the NYC area is hysterical. How many were watching PBS?
 

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half of those 736 households are prolly Rx members
 

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Gary Bettman ruined the sport. He will go down in history as the worst commissioner ever.. 15 years as commissioner and these dumb owners keep renewing his contract....I refuse to watch it now..... It will only get worse........
 

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I have to imagine that hockey is better off live than it is on TV. I'm not much for it on TV to be honest with you, but I haven't been to a hockey game live since the early 90s, and back then I was like 7. I'm going to the Lightning/Ottawa game in mid-March... Looking forward to it.

But yeah, Bettman... Bettman's legacy might be, "the Arena Football League did better on Versus/OLN than we are..."
 

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AFL, you're right: watching a hockey game in person is WAY better than on TV. It's intense and entertaining live, for sure.

I wish they'd change the rink size to international. Let the skill players dominate the game. If anything, it'd make for a more entertaining product, IMO.
 

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Those stats aren't correct, but the fact is that powers that be must start to allow skaters to skate, reduce pad sizes on goalies, and most likely increase the size of the goal, or this game will go completely away soon.
 
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AFLGuru said:
I have to imagine that hockey is better off live than it is on TV. I'm not much for it on TV to be honest with you, but I haven't been to a hockey game live since the early 90s, and back then I was like 7. I'm going to the Lightning/Ottawa game in mid-March... Looking forward to it.

But yeah, Bettman... Bettman's legacy might be, "the Arena Football League did better on Versus/OLN than we are..."

Bingo....I can't believe how badly this league has been torn up. You couldn't do a worse job if you were intentionally trying to ruin it.

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Fact is nobody will pay premium dollar for network rights for a game that the powers that be refuse to fix.
 

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Changing the size of the ice surface (which isn't a bad idea but it will never happen due to the fact it would mean less seats in the arena prime seats at that) playing around with the goalie equipment won't do much in getting the US market to pay attention.

The marketing in this league is has been awful for the longest time. They've tried time and time again to sell hockey as a national sport in the states when it will never be a national sport. People in Nebraska will never care about Hockey yet the NHL seems to always go out of there way to try to get these people to watch an NHL game, It has no clue how to build a following.

Let's face it, unless Sidney Cosby and Ovechkin can perform a miracle this league is in trouble. It should focus on a) maintaining the fans that already go to the games by hoping they continue to do so and b) for the most part this generation of sport fans (18-29 years old) is a loss cause. The NHL was considered the hot thing in 1994 when the Rangers won the cup and that momentum got killed by the strike/lockout the next year and it never really recovered.

What the NHL needs to do and what it will never do cause the owners are greedy and only look out for themselves (ie in keeping the stupid schedule in place where a player like Sidney Cosby is only going to play in Los Angeles once every 3 years which is stupid on so many levels) but what they need to do and focus on building the game at a grassroot level in each community. They need to build ice rinks where kids can actually skate and maybe even play the game. Then from there run leagues where kids can develop there hockey skills since the game is amazing to play. Getting these kids to play hockey at a early age leads them to become more aware of the game and its something that usually carries thru life since most of the sports I watch now I've been watching since I was like 6 and im pretty sure its the way with most of you people reading this. Build rinks where kids can skate, get kids involved in hockey that will translate over to kids identifying with hockey. Wanting to cheer for the local hockey which may lead to there parents to actually buy an overpriced ticket to the game but at the very worse leads the kid while growing up watches the games on TV and then buying tickets himself when he/she is old enough to do so.

But of course most of that is common sense and since it isn't a quick fix this will never happen.
 

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who cares?

i rest my case...

hockey sucks to watch on tv...its great to see in person....having said that..

who cares?
 

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In another report, Hockey Broke all time attendence records in the month of January with an average of over 15000 per game....

Players are still commanding Multi Million dollar salaries.
 

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SportSavant said:
In another report, Hockey Broke all time attendence records in the month of January with an average of over 15000 per game....

Players are still commanding Multi Million dollar salaries.

The NYR coming to Tampa tommorrow night will be another sellout at the St.Pete Times Forum.

Good match-up with star power on both clubs...........
 

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Bunch of opinions from a lot (not all) of people who wouldn't watch hockey if they were giving away NASCAR tickets.

How much smaller do you want the goalie pads? How many more penalties and how much more open ice do you need? The game is a blast to watch now, and except for the odd team (NJ/Calgary) it's the best show in town. Montreal/Pittsburgh the other night was probably the best game I've seen all year. Scraps, 8 goals, Overtime and a shootout. I wish I'd stop hearing about how the league needs to "sell" itself.

Without a TV deal where they whore themselves out to networks that want dancing robot cartoons and glowing pucks - the league survived the lockout and regained fans faster than MLB did.

Bettman stood by while the league refused to act on the clutch and grab, but went to the wall and helped save the clubs in Canada when the dollar was killing them. He then worked with the Alberta teams to negotiate a better tax deal with their government. He then bent the rules on lotto for the teams to help with the revenue disparity. He worked tirelessly to keep Buffalo IN Buffalo, and is doing the same for Pittsburgh. I was lucky enough to meet him at a Kings game - and I believe 100% he loves this game. Bettman promised the fans and owners a cap - and now every team is on a level playing field when it comes to bidding on top talent. He delivered what he said he would - and every fan is better off for it.

It's a great league - but it's obviously not for TV for most Americans. The league is thriving without a TV deal - so if you don't want to watch it - feel free not to.
 

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Bunch of opinions from a lot (not all) of people who wouldn't watch hockey if they were giving away NASCAR tickets.

How much smaller do you want the goalie pads? How many more penalties and how much more open ice do you need? The game is a blast to watch now, and except for the odd team (NJ/Calgary) it's the best show in town. Montreal/Pittsburgh the other night was probably the best game I've seen all year. Scraps, 8 goals, Overtime and a shootout. I wish I'd stop hearing about how the league needs to "sell" itself.

Without a TV deal where they whore themselves out to networks that want dancing robot cartoons and glowing pucks - the league survived the lockout and regained fans faster than MLB did.

Bettman stood by while the league refused to act on the clutch and grab, but went to the wall and helped save the clubs in Canada when the dollar was killing them. He then worked with the Alberta teams to negotiate a better tax deal with their government. He then bent the rules on lotto for the teams to help with the revenue disparity. He worked tirelessly to keep Buffalo IN Buffalo, and is doing the same for Pittsburgh. I was lucky enough to meet him at a Kings game - and I believe 100% he loves this game. Bettman promised the fans and owners a cap - and now every team is on a level playing field when it comes to bidding on top talent. He delivered what he said he would - and every fan is better off for it.

It's a great league - but it's obviously not for TV for most Americans. The league is thriving without a TV deal - so if you don't want to watch it - feel free not to.

Great post!
 

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Though 736 may not be accurate, the fact that the AFL did better than hockey is doing IS. The AFL playoff game OLN had drew better than the average NHL playoff game OLN had the same year.
 

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They are trying to bring down hockey because there aren't enough blacks in it.
 

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