Bodog 2 pt conversion prop - no action?

knicknut · Feb 5, 2007

Hi. I am hoping someone else has some insight here and could provide info before I confront Bodog directly.

I bet that there would not be a 2 point conversion:

(91) No (Successful 2 Pt conversion) -320 Sun@6:25p

Outcome: No Action

I am pretty sure there was nothing in the terms about "2 point conversion must be attempted or no action." Upon going through my screenshots though, I can't find an image of that bet to double check the terms. I doubt there would be, though, because otherwise the "YES" would have HUGE value, since 2pters complete about half the time, so if just one was attempted the line would have to be close to even, not +250/-320. Also, I bet this prop at two other books (Cascade/CRIS) and it was graded correctly as expected.

Did anyone else bet this or see the terms? Any suggestions as I bring it up with them? Or am I out $700?

Thanks.

D2bets · Feb 5, 2007

No unsual for errors. Contact them and they should fix it.

sokoolsports · Feb 5, 2007

I am thinking that it was graded as no action, because it says successful attempt, but there was never an attempt for one to succeed. I think you should have maybe bet on the prop that says, will a 2-point conversion be attempted? The wording is kind of iffy though

SayHeyKid · Feb 5, 2007

There was technically a 2 pt attempt. The botched snap counted as a failed 2 pt converation. It shouldn't effect your wager, but just clarifying.

Paterno · Feb 5, 2007

You def have an argument.

There was a 2pt conversion attempt and it failed.

knicknut · Feb 5, 2007

Sorry, I bet "Will there be a successful 2 point conversion", which is what I meant to bet. There was no contingency on one being attempted (otherwise that line would be way off).

I sent the e-mail, we'll see what they say, but if anyone has a shot of the terms (or a page confirming that it was an attempt on the snap, I checked superbowl.com but it only says "aborted extra point") I would appreciate it.

billhill999 · Feb 5, 2007

Paterno said:
You def have an argument.

There was a 2pt conversion attempt and it failed.

Agreed.

Journeyman · Feb 5, 2007

that is not a two point conversion attempt by NFL definition.

and by the looks and odds of that prop, I am guessing there's an error in the grade...the wording is hard to understand for certain though.

Paterno · Feb 5, 2007

Journeyman said:
that is not a two point conversion attempt by NFL definition.

and by the looks and odds of that prop, I am guessing there's an error in the grade...the wording is hard to understand for certain though.

What is definition? It is listed as aborted extra point attempt on NFL.com.

I just assumed bc there could be fakes with the holder similar to the situation occurring tonight on 2pt conversions.

knicknut · Feb 5, 2007

They say they won't pay.

"Game must have a 2pt conversion attempt for wager to have action. Overtime counts towards wager. Game must go 55 minutes for action."

I could use help, I don't think sending them a link to yahoo.com will help. And as an aside, that yes had HUGE value!

guest808 · Feb 5, 2007

Commentators said that it was not a missed kick charged to the kicker, it was offically graded as a failed 2 pt attempt.

Journeyman · Feb 5, 2007

guest808 said:
Commentators said that it was not a missed kick charged to the kicker, it was offically graded as a failed 2 pt attempt.

It's not charged to the kicker...but at the same time it's not a two point attempt that failed.

BetNowThankLater · Feb 5, 2007

guest808 said:
Commentators said that it was not a missed kick charged to the kicker, it was offically graded as a failed 2 pt attempt.

It was not a failed 2 pt attempt - the attempt was for an extra point. It was officially graded as a failed extra point attempt. Sorry man, outta luck on this one.

Journeyman · Feb 5, 2007

Scoring Plays
Team Qtr Time Play Description (Extra Point) (Drive Info) Visitor Home
Bears 1 14:46 D.Hester 92 yd. kickoff return (R.Gould kick) (0-0, 0:14) 0 7
Colts 1 6:50 R.Wayne 53 yd. pass from P.Manning (kick aborted) (9-80, 4:30) 6 7
Bears 1 4:34 M.Muhammad 4 yd. pass from R.Grossman (R.Gould kick) (4-57, 2:00) 6 14
Colts 2 11:17 A.Vinatieri 29 yd. Field Goal (8-47, 3:52) 9 14
Colts 2 6:09 D.Rhodes 1 yd. run (A.Vinatieri kick) (7-58, 3:08) 16 14
Colts 3 7:26 A.Vinatieri 24 yd. Field Goal (13-56, 7:34) 19 14
Colts 3 3:16 A.Vinatieri 20 yd. Field Goal (6-62, 2:07) 22 14
Bears 3 1:14 R.Gould 44 yd. Field Goal (6-14, 2:02) 22 17
Colts 4 11:44 K.Hayden 56 yd. interception return (A.Vinatieri kick) 29 17

Paid Attendance: 74,512 Game Length: 3:31

knicknut · Feb 5, 2007

Wow, this is totally shitty. I'm so pissed. What a technicality.

Why would they put up such a terrible line then?

Journeyman · Feb 5, 2007

knicknut said:
They say they won't pay.

"Game must have a 2pt conversion attempt for wager to have action. Overtime counts towards wager. Game must go 55 minutes for action."

I could use help, I don't think sending them a link to yahoo.com will help. And as an aside, that yes had HUGE value!

A two point conversion attemp being successful is around 50% , so how could the odds have been -300?

knicknut · Feb 5, 2007

Journeyman said:
A two point conversion attemp being successful is around 50% , so how could the odds have been -300?

That's what I'm saying, and for the life of me I don't remember that provision in the bet (otherwise I would have bet it the other way!).

SayHeyKid · Feb 5, 2007

Journeyman said:
A two point conversion attemp being successful is around 50% , so how could the odds have been -300?

Exactly, Bodog got butchered and are trying to screw their clientele is the only plausible explanation.

knicknut · Feb 5, 2007

If someone has a shot of this I'd appreciate it. I have a picture of every bet I make, don't know how this one didn't get in there. I'm not suggesting they cheated and changed it later, but something's amiss here.

dialitup · Feb 5, 2007

How would they have graded it if Indy would have scored on the bobbled snap? That would have to count as a two-point conversion. That's your argument.