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with the mass random shootings? get rid of the legal arsenals for whatever idiot wants them for our sake instead of focusing on whether I want to bet 20 dollars on Georgia Tech this weekend. Jesus...for all you feds here, priorities goddamn it, prioroites this stuff is fucking ridiculous. Among the dead is a 15 year old girl. This kind of stuff is fucking disgraceful, meanwhile we have giant investigations as to whether a couple of former neteller employees helped to move funds from American internet sportsbettors to offshore sportsbooks. :WTF:

this cop is a hero for sticking himself out on the line even though I think if we were cops we would do the same. but by getting the shooter to focus on him and be worried about someone who had the ability to fire back, lives were saved while defenseless shoppers got extra time to get out or find a hiding place.

this kind of stuff that teens do these days is just insane


Cop who saved shoppers from shooter: I am not a hero

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<!--===========/IMAGE===========--> <!--===========CAPTION==========-->Officer Ken Hammond, with wife Sarita, talks about how they were on an early Valentine's Day date when he heard the gunman shooting.<!--===========/CAPTION=========-->
<!-- /PURGE: /2007/US/02/13/officer.utah/story.hero.cop.ap.jpg --><!-- /REAP --><SCRIPT type=text/javascript>var cnnStoryUrl = 'http://robots.cnn.com/2007/US/02/13/officer.utah/index.html';var cnnDisplayDomesticCL = 1; var cnnDisplayIntlCL = 1;</SCRIPT>OGDEN, Utah (CNN) -- A police officer hailed for helping stop a rampaging shooter who killed five people in a Salt Lake City mall said he simply did what his fellow officers would have done.
"I felt that, whether I'm in my own city or not, if I have the ability to protect more people or prevent loss of lives, I have an obligation," Officer Ken Hammond told reporters.
"I was in a situation that I was carrying my gun, and I felt that I had to do something. I couldn't let any more take place."
The off-duty officer from Ogden, north of Salt Lake City, was on a Valentine's Day date with his wife when Sulejmen Talovic, 18, walked into Trolley Square mall with two guns Monday.
The teenager had "one thing on his mind, and that was to kill a large number of people," Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank said.

Authorities said Talovic killed five people and wounded four more before he was fatally shot by police. Talovic's motive is unknown.
The police chief praised what he called "heroic acts" by Hammond.
"There is no question that his quick actions saved the lives of numerous other people," Burbank said.
Hammond and his wife, Sarita, had eaten dinner and walked through the mall afterward. At one point, she made a stop, he said, and he heard a "sort of popping noise" while sitting on a bench. At first, he dismissed it as mall construction.

As the couple walked, Hammond said, he saw "seriously injured" people. Looking in another direction, he said, he saw a man with a shotgun walking out of the business where the injured people were. He told his wife to go back to the restaurant and call 911.
Although he was standing on the second floor and the suspect was on the first floor, he said he identified himself as a police officer and drew his weapon. The suspect shot at him twice but missed him, he said.
He laid on the ground but was concerned the suspect might come up the escalators located behind him.
When he stood up, he said, he saw a uniformed Salt Lake City police officer standing on the lower level.
"It was kind of tense for a few seconds. ... I'm standing there in plain clothes with a gun out," said Hammond. "We just kind of stared at each other. I'm screaming as loud as I can, 'I'm Officer Hammond, Ogden City Police. I'm off-duty, OPD' -- just kept repeating myself."
He approached the Salt Lake City officer, he said, and the two were able to locate the suspect and exchanged gunfire with him, eventually killing him.
The shooting was under investigation and it remained unclear Tuesday who fired the shot that killed the suspect. Hammond and other officers were placed on administrative leave, a routine step after shootings that involve police.
"I'm on a Valentine's Day date with my wife," Hammond said. "I'm not ready for that. I'm not expecting that. I did have my weapon with me. My first concern was her, getting her away. She's pregnant, and I didn't want her anywhere near that."
"I don't think that I did anything different than the rest of the guys I work with wouldn't have done," he said. "I just happened to be the one that was there. ... I don't necessarily feel like a hero."
But Hammond said he hopes he saved lives, and believes "we were there for a reason. I had my gun on me for a reason. We decided to eat dessert which we normally don't do -- for a reason, she decided to take a break everything happened for a reason."<HR>



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The right to bear arms was to keep the English out of our homes during the war. This country will never abolish the right to bear arms shit. Too many politicans are involved, NRA is too fucken HUGE and white peple love guns too much.

I dont understand why there are so many kids going ape shit.
 

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Did he say "white" people love guns to much?????????? no really did he say that?????????
 

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The right to bear arms was to keep the English out of our homes during the war. This country will never abolish the right to bear arms shit. Too many politicans are involved, NRA is too fucken HUGE and white peple love guns too much.

I dont understand why there are so many kids going ape shit.
What can I do to keep our government out of my house. We fought a revolution over some taxes that amounted to less than 5% of income (estimating).
 

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Part of the answer is to recognize mental illness and to take steps to combat it. All of these people are mentally or emotionally ill. You'll find a history of mental illness when researching people who go nuts like this.

If we take guns away from people then the nuts will have free reign in the public. If a person had a gun who was closer to this madman than the off-duty officer far fewer people would have injured or killed.
 

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This kid was a Muslim (a bosnian Muslim refugee more accurately), and it looks like another of the many unrelated "Sudden Jijad Syndrome" attacks that we are seeing. The media will play this angle down, so it's nothing to concern ourselves about. The media, our new fourth branch of government, will tell us when there's something important to consider.

The killer's "motive's were unknown", the above CNN piece says. No mention anywhere in that CNN piece that the kid was a Muslim refugee.
 

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This kid was a Muslim (a bosnian Muslim refugee more accurately), and it looks like another of the many unrelated "Sudden Jijad Syndrome" attacks that we are seeing. The media will play this angle down, so it's nothing to concern ourselves about. The media, our new fourth branch of government, will tell us when there's something important to consider.

The killer's "motive's were unknown", the above CNN piece says. No mention anywhere in that CNN piece that the kid was a Muslim refugee.
Anyone ever visit Utah? I passed through there several times, i could just imagine what living there would to do anybody. Probably heard about Brigham Young and their pot of buried gold once too often....still, should have just left.

P.S. It looks like you're saying Slobodon Milosevic was right....then why did we lock up a fellow freedom fighter like george Dubya??????????
 

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Too many politicans are involved, NRA is too fucken HUGE and white peple love guns too much.

CLASSIC.

What % of these crimes are committed by the law abiding people who legally own guns?

I doubt the gang banger bumping Tupuc before a drive by has his concealed weapons permit with him.

All the gun control people went wacky when they passed the concealed weapons law in MI. It was the end of the world.

Place like DC etc have hard core anti gun laws and have the highest crime rates....
 

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Too many politicans are involved, NRA is too fucken HUGE and white peple love guns too much.

CLASSIC.

Place like DC etc have hard core anti gun laws and have the highest crime rates....
That's 'cause anyone who wants a gun can cross the WW or 14th Street Bridge and get anything they want in Virginia, aka MacacaVille!
 

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I think we'd all be better off if we held the parents responsible for their kids acts. I'm telling you, LOTS more people would be a whole lot better parents then.
 

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