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  1. #1 Supreme Court Upholds First Nationwide Ban on an Abortion Procedure 
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    <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100&#37;"><tbody><tr><td style="font-size: 20px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top" width="99%">Court Backs Ban on Abortion Procedure</td> <td align="right" valign="top"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- headline end --> <!-- date/author start --> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td colspan="2"></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="99%">Apr 18 10:18 AM US/Eastern
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    The Supreme Court upheld the nationwide ban on a controversial abortion procedure Wednesday, handing abortion opponents the long- awaited victory they expected from a more conservative bench.

    The 5-4 ruling said the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act that Congress passed and President Bush signed into law in 2003 does not violate a woman's constitutional right to an abortion.

    The opponents of the act "have not demonstrated that the Act would be unconstitutional in a large fraction of relevant cases," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion.

    The decision pitted the court's conservatives against its liberals, with President Bush's two appointees, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, siding with the majority.

    Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia also were in the majority.

    It was the first time the court banned a specific procedure in a case over how—not whether—to perform an abortion.
    Abortion rights groups have said the procedure sometimes is the safest for a woman. They also said that such a ruling could threaten most abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy, although government lawyers and others who favor the ban said there are alternate, more widely used procedures that remain legal.

    The outcome is likely to spur efforts at the state level to place more restrictions on abortions.

    More than 1 million abortions are performed in the United States each year, according to recent statistics. Nearly 90 percent of those occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and are not affected by Tuesday's ruling.

    Six federal courts have said the law that was in focus Wednesday is an impermissible restriction on a woman's constitutional right to an abortion.

    The law bans a method of ending a pregnancy, rather than limiting when an abortion can be performed.


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    Hey libs, guess who brought us Chief Justice John Roberts?

    None other than the next president of the United States: Fred Thompson!
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    It bans only a certain type of procedure, Joe. The kind of procedure that less than 1&#37; of 1% of all abortions fall under. The ban does not even address the 'when does life begin' debate that you so desperately want to see overturned.

    Just another carrot for you conservative fuckwits to keep you voting for the "Culture of (some) Life" Party.
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    Hey X, ever look into the eyes of a REAL man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpanda View Post
    It bans only a certain type of procedure, Joe. The kind of procedure that less than 1% of 1% of all abortions fall under. The ban does not even address the 'when does life begin' debate that you so desperately want to see overturned.

    Just another carrot for you conservative fuckwits to keep you voting for the "Culture of (some) Life" Party.

    Someone seems a little upset that there is now one less way to kill a baby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVolFan View Post
    Someone seems a little upset that there is now one less way to kill a baby!
    Not in this case. Partial birth abortion is so rare it's almost a non-issue. And I've never believed they should be performed for any reason other than to protect the mother's physical health anyway.

    I'm simply pointing out to Joe that this ban does not address the real abortion debate and will not affect 99% of the abortions performed. It's just Republican Party posturing. As per usual.

    Abortion is to Republicans what the race card is to Democrats.
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    It's the beginning of the end, X....



    According to liberals and their activist elves worldwide, life still hasn't begun.

    I'd love to post pictures of the Gloria Steinem version of 'freedom' but the images are so graphic, disturbing and convincing, the PC police always delete them seconds after they appear.

    However anyone with an open mind and heart can Google them and make their own judgments based on their own intuitive common sense, rather than what some misleading evil special interest group would have us all believe.
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    Its vague now(....kinda like me huh) but I'm pretty sure someone posted there were 28 of these procedures in the whole of America in one year.

    compared with about 1 million abortions p.a.

    Since many of these abortions will be blacks and poor people I'm surprised that the Republicans don't celebrate and encourage this kinda thing...
    I reckon that most are only really against it as long as it doesn't stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Contrarian View Post
    It's the beginning of the end, X....
    Okay, Joe. Whatever you say.
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    Justice Kennedy is the 'moderate' and critical swing vote on the Supreme Court, X. When he retires, expect a civil war with the winner shaping America for decades to come. Let's all hope and pray for a less 'progressive' future.
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    Reasons for Partial-Birth Abortions: Dr. Martin Haskell (creator of the procedure)

    In his 1992 paper, Dr. Martin Haskell, who has performed over 1,000 partial-birth abortions, described the procedure as "a quick, surgical outpatient method that can be performed on a scheduled basis under local anesthesia." Dr. Haskell, a family practitioner who operates three abortion clinics, wrote that he "routinely performs this procedure on all patients 20 through 24 weeks" (4 1/2 to 5 1/2 months) pregnant [emphasis added], except on women who are more than 20 pounds overweight, have twins, or have certain other complicating factors.

    For information on why Dr. Haskell adopted the method, the 1993 interview in Cincinnati Medicine is very instructive. Dr. Haskell explained that he had been performing dismemberment abortions (D&Es) to 24 weeks:

    But they were very tough. Sometimes it was a 45-minute operation. I noticed that some of the later D&Es were very, very easy. So I asked myself why can't they all happen this way. You see the easy ones would have a foot length presentation, you'd reach up and grab the foot of the fetus, pull the fetus down and the head would hang up and then you would collapse the head and take it out. It was easy. . . . Then I said, "Well gee, if I just put the ultrasound up there I could see it all and I wouldn't have to feel around for it." I did that and sure enough, I found it 99 percent of the time. Kind of serendipity.

    In 1993, the American Medical News-- the official newspaper of the AMA-- conducted a tape-recorded interview with Dr. Haskell concerning this specific abortion method, in which he said:

    And I'll be quite frank: most of my abortions are elective in that 20-24 week range. . . . In my particular case, probably 20% [of this procedure] are for genetic reasons. And the other 80% are purely elective.

    In a lawsuit in 1995, Dr. Haskell testified that women come to him for partial-birth abortions with "a variety of conditions. Some medical, some not so medical." Among the "medical" examples he cited was "agoraphobia" (fear of open places). Moreover, in testimony presented to the Senate Judiciary Committee on November 17, 1995, ob/gyn Dr. Nancy Romer of Dayton (the city in which Dr. Haskell operates one of his abortion clinics) testified that three of her own patients had gone to Haskell's clinic for abortions "well beyond" 4 1/2 months into pregnancy, and that "none of these women had any medical illness, and all three had normal fetuses."
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    Joe, that baby has to be about 7 or 8 months.

    Nobody ever advocated late term abortion you noob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Contrarian View Post
    Hey X, ever look into the eyes of a REAL man?

    i would lay -450 you have
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    Quote Originally Posted by eek. View Post
    Since many of these abortions will be blacks and poor people I'm surprised that the Republicans don't celebrate and encourage this kinda thing...
    I reckon that most are only really against it as long as it doesn't stop.
    Actually, something like 75-80&#37; of abortions in the US are to white women.

    Maybe that's why they're all freaking out. While young white women choose abortion and career over early marriage and motherhood when faced with an unwanted pregnancy, the immigrant/ethnic population tend to be breeding machines, relatively speaking.

    At any rate, the ban still does not even start or even pretend to touch the real abortion debate, nor does it affect the vast vast vast majority of women who seek abortion. So it's a non-issue.

    And let's not forget that the ban is only for a certain type of abortion. It doesn't ban elective late-term abortion, nor does it ban late-term abortion by another method.

    But it keeps the peanut gallery happy.

    Cluck cluck cluck, eh, Joe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steak tartar View Post
    i would lay -450 you have
    She is pretty good looking, I am 100&#37; sure she has had her shot at looking into 'REAL eyes' several times.

    What happened after that, is anyones guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobFunk View Post
    Joe, that baby has to be about 7 or 8 months.

    Nobody ever advocated late term abortion you noob.

    So killing a 6 month baby is ok, but killing a 7 month baby not ok.

    Thanks for the ruling god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVolFan View Post
    So killing a 6 month baby is ok, but killing a 7 month baby not ok.

    Thanks for the ruling god.
    I didnt say that.

    I am taking a guess at the age of the baby in the pic and making a point.

    Making a point, something you just failed at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobFunk View Post
    She is pretty good looking, I am 100% sure she has had her shot at looking into 'REAL eyes' several times.

    What happened after that, is anyones guess.
    i meant joec thanx for botchin the joke rob
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    Steak, my man, you need to dumb down your jokes, otherwise these nitwit libs won't get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobFunk View Post
    I didnt say that.

    I am taking a guess at the age of the baby in the pic and making a point.

    Making a point, something you just failed at.

    The age of the baby is meaningless (That is my point)... you are saying that you dont advocate LATE term abortions.

    My point is... where do u draw the line? 5 months? 6 months? Did God inform you when it was ok to kill a baby, and when its not?

    It's actually a very simple point I am making... I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Contrarian View Post
    Steak, my man, you need to dumb down your jokes, otherwise these nitwit libs won't get them.

    TOUCHE
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    Why the fuck don't you people then adopt all of these fucking kids? I haven't heard of Fred trying to adopt any kids or Alito or the rest of these Bible beaters!

    You are all so worried about running everyone else's life. Last time I checked it was the bible belt that has the poorest states and the stupidest people, i.e. Miss, AL, LA, Arkansas. To busy trying to protest abortions, instead of worrying about improving your schools and maybe helping to bring some sort of industry to these states instead of gambling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtendominator View Post
    Why the fuck don't you people then adopt all of these fucking kids? I haven't heard of Fred trying to adopt any kids or Alito or the rest of these Bible beaters!

    You are all so worried about running everyone else's life. Last time I checked it was the bible belt that has the poorest states and the stupidest people, i.e. Miss, AL, LA, Arkansas. To busy trying to protest abortions, instead of worrying about improving your schools and maybe helping to bring some sort of industry to these states instead of gambling.
    "Instead of gambling?" You post on gambling board and you're against gambling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVolFan View Post
    The age of the baby is meaningless (That is my point)... you are saying that you dont advocate LATE term abortions.

    My point is... where do u draw the line? 5 months? 6 months? Did God inform you when it was ok to kill a baby, and when its not?

    It's actually a very simple point I am making... I think.

    Looks as if you have direct phone line to God. Can you share that phone number for us.

    Looks as if Phil Fulmer has been getting a busy signal since 1998.
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