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Best player in baseball goes yard 2 times yesterday for #13 and #14!!!!!


Could wind up being the best baseball player in history before he is done!!!!!


He is only on pace for 126 homeruns this season. With the protection in the Yankees lineup, he very well could break the record. One thing about it is that Giambi will have a monster year this year as teams will start to pitch around AROD.

He is only hitting .400 this season!
 

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I do not think Arod is already labeled the best ever or headed that way. No way. People get consumed with 1. stats and 2. the present, in a big way. It is all about WINNING. That is the stat that counts. Arod has not won. Period. I am not knocking him mind you but do not tell me he is the best ever as he chokes every postseason and has one great sick April. Not happening. Also anyone who says there are not meaningless HR's really does not know what winning is all about. There sure are meaningless stats. This guy got something to prove whether you like it or not. You disagree? Think that is crazy? Think I am just Arod biased? Too F*n bad...get a clue. This guy has done a lot of choking in the past few years...and him hitting 20 HR's in APril while his team is under 500 is not going to changes that. Not for people who truly understand.


Above is what I posted in Arod hits 13 and 14 thread. It is my story and I am sticking to it. Where is the Arod Forum Folks? I have no animosity in my view like some others. None. I give my opinion and stand by it. Some very smart and knowledgeable people feel very different and I understand and respect that. It is a very very interesting topic. A guy who is putting up monster career numbers that are headed to the elite status yet is being questioned for his lack of postseason success and clutch ability. I still feel it is all about winning. Arod has been AWOL when the Yanks have need him most. Answer me that Batman? You can't. So gloat over his 22 April HR's and his team being under 500 btw during that same time frame. It is not entirely fair to Arod for sure. But when you play in New York and sign a contact for 252 K or whatever, you are under a different standard. I like Arod and wish him no harm. I hope him and his family are left alone. That is not right. He is a nice guy and great player. He has not gotten it done time and time again when it mattered most and that is a fact. Many players have stated time and time again they would give the individual awards for WINNING. That is the name of the game. Arod has not earned his money during money time.


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Well ANYONE who thinks that the Yankees will finish below .500, needs to have his head examined!!

Of course they will get hot and win late. Didnt they start something like 3-9 last year??? I dont remember exactly, but this year they are only 8-10. They will have Clemens sooner than later and they will help them out alot since one starting pitcher can now go to the bullpen
 

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All this talk about someone not being great because they haven't contributed to a world series is a bunch of bullshit. There are so many variables out of there control that you can't punish them for. Championships has to be the worst way to evaluate a single player.
 

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All this talk about someone not being great because they haven't contributed to a world series is a bunch of bullshit. There are so many variables out of there control that you can't punish them for. Championships has to be the worst way to evaluate a single player.

There is a difference between evaluating someone b/c they haven't contributed to a world series winner and elevating or diminishing them b/c they routinely fail to produce when the stage is the largest are two different things. To my knowledge, no one is saying he is a choker b/c he hasn't won a WS. They say that b/c he routinely fails to get a hit when most needed in big games.

I agree with you that one shouldn't be judged solely on whether or not they win a title. However, Tom Brady (fittingly named given his position on this topic) makes valid points when it comes to ARod. The guy continually shrinks on the biggest stages. Look at his playoff numbers. This doesn't mean he isn't a great player. It simply means he chokes when it matters most and until he proves this premise wrong (like Manning did this past year, who, ironically enough stunk for the first 2 and a half playoff games, had a great half against NE and a mediocre super bowl) people will continue to hammer him with this. Bonds was in the same boat before having a monster playoff run back in 02 or 01 or whatever year it was.

Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Schilling, Rivera, Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade are all elevated because they perform when they have to, why shouldn't someone be criticized or diminished when they don't? he is a great player, don't get me wrong and statistically speaking he may end up the greatest. However, unless he over comes this very real perception that he is also a choker, you are insane if you think anyone who has their priorities in order (i.e., winning is more important than stats) would list him as the best player ever.

Those that take the opposing position always come back with "he can't hit a HR every time" "look at his stats", "he can't win by himself". All of which are entirely true, but no one is saying he has to win by himself or has to hit a HR every time or has to come through EVERY time when his team needs him against Boston, in the playoffs or other big games.

as the famous quote says, [SIZE=-1]There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics, and that holds no truer than with ARod.


Ask any Yankee fan who, of all the players they have had in the past 10-15 years, they want up with a game on the line and I would guarantee he ranks behind Jeter, Williams, O'Neill, and probably Sheffield, Martinez and a few others. that should tell you all you need to know about A-Rod's clutch performances.

He can hit 40 home runs before the end of May, but until he does something in late August, September and October, it is is all irrelevant.
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Yes a question..how many RBI last two playoff series?
 
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I do not think Arod is already labeled the best ever or headed that way. No way. People get consumed with 1. stats and 2. the present, in a big way. It is all about WINNING. That is the stat that counts. Arod has not won. Period. I am not knocking him mind you but do not tell me he is the best ever as he chokes every postseason and has one great sick April. Not happening. Also anyone who says there are not meaningless HR's really does not know what winning is all about. There sure are meaningless stats. This guy got something to prove whether you like it or not. You disagree? Think that is crazy? Think I am just Arod biased? Too F*n bad...get a clue. This guy has done a lot of choking in the past few years...and him hitting 20 HR's in APril while his team is under 500 is not going to changes that. Not for people who truly understand.


Above is what I posted in Arod hits 13 and 14 thread. It is my story and I am sticking to it. Where is the Arod Forum Folks? I have no animosity in my view like some others. None. I give my opinion and stand by it. Some very smart and knowledgeable people feel very different and I understand and respect that. It is a very very interesting topic. A guy who is putting up monster career numbers that are headed to the elite status yet is being questioned for his lack of postseason success and clutch ability. I still feel it is all about winning. Arod has been AWOL when the Yanks have need him most. Answer me that Batman? You can't. So gloat over his 22 April HR's and his team being under 500 btw during that same time frame. It is not entirely fair to Arod for sure. But when you play in New York and sign a contact for 252 K or whatever, you are under a different standard. I like Arod and wish him no harm. I hope him and his family are left alone. That is not right. He is a nice guy and great player. He has not gotten it done time and time again when it mattered most and that is a fact. Many players have stated time and time again they would give the individual awards for WINNING. That is the name of the game. Arod has not earned his money during money time.


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I love it a Boston guy talking about winning is everything! If that is the case it is amazing that the Red Sox have any fans left.

A few questions....

Who is a better left fielder (life time): Barry Bonds or Darryl Strawberry?

Better 3rd baseman (life time): Arod or Bill Mueller
 

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I love it a Boston guy talking about winning is everything! If that is the case it is amazing that the Red Sox have any fans left.

A few questions....

Who is a better left fielder (life time): Barry Bonds or Darryl Strawberry?

Better 3rd baseman (life time): Arod or Bill Mueller

Funny, I thought the same thing when I read that.

You missed the point. Winning doesn't make a guy great or not great. I never said that and obviously ARod is better than Mueller. Strawberry was a RF, but again, Bonds is better.

Give a reasonable comparison. Who is better Brady or Manning? Montana or Marino? Jeter or Garciaparra? Rivera or Trevor Hoffman? Olajuwon or Ewing? Duncan or Malone? DiMaggio or Ted Williams?

If Brady and DiMaggio don't have the rings you would be mocked for putting them in the same breath as the other players, yet many people would say they are better BECAUSE of their success in big games.
 
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Funny, I thought the same thing when I read that.

You missed the point. Winning doesn't make a guy great or not great. I never said that and obviously ARod is better than Mueller. Strawberry was a RF, but again, Bonds is better.

Give a reasonable comparison. Who is better Brady or Manning? Montana or Marino? Jeter or Garciaparra? Rivera or Trevor Hoffman? Olajuwon or Ewing? Duncan or Malone? DiMaggio or Ted Williams?

If Brady and DiMaggio don't have the rings you would be mocked for putting them in the same breath as the other players, yet many people would say they are better BECAUSE of their success in big games.

I used Strawberry because I was trying to think of a left fielder with a cloud of suspicion over him and the first one that came to mind was Strawberry and his ring with the 96 Yanks where he played left exclusively.
 

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There is a difference between evaluating someone b/c they haven't contributed to a world series winner and elevating or diminishing them b/c they routinely fail to produce when the stage is the largest are two different things. To my knowledge, no one is saying he is a choker b/c he hasn't won a WS. They say that b/c he routinely fails to get a hit when most needed in big games.

I agree with you that one shouldn't be judged solely on whether or not they win a title. However, Tom Brady (fittingly named given his position on this topic) makes valid points when it comes to ARod. The guy continually shrinks on the biggest stages. Look at his playoff numbers. This doesn't mean he isn't a great player. It simply means he chokes when it matters most and until he proves this premise wrong (like Manning did this past year, who, ironically enough stunk for the first 2 and a half playoff games, had a great half against NE and a mediocre super bowl) people will continue to hammer him with this. Bonds was in the same boat before having a monster playoff run back in 02 or 01 or whatever year it was.

Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Schilling, Rivera, Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade are all elevated because they perform when they have to, why shouldn't someone be criticized or diminished when they don't? he is a great player, don't get me wrong and statistically speaking he may end up the greatest. However, unless he over comes this very real perception that he is also a choker, you are insane if you think anyone who has their priorities in order (i.e., winning is more important than stats) would list him as the best player ever.

Those that take the opposing position always come back with "he can't hit a HR every time" "look at his stats", "he can't win by himself". All of which are entirely true, but no one is saying he has to win by himself or has to hit a HR every time or has to come through EVERY time when his team needs him against Boston, in the playoffs or other big games.

as the famous quote says, [SIZE=-1]There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics, and that holds no truer than with ARod.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]Ask any Yankee fan who, of all the players they have had in the past 10-15 years, they want up with a game on the line and I would guarantee he ranks behind Jeter, Williams, O'Neill, and probably Sheffield, Martinez and a few others. that should tell you all you need to know about A-Rod's clutch performances. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]He can hit 40 home runs before the end of May, but until he does something in late August, September and October, it is is all irrelevant.[/SIZE]


GREAT POST. Great point if they polled who the fans would want up with the game on the line...it will not be Arod or even top 3. Thanks bro!
 

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[SIZE=-1]He can hit 40 home runs before the end of May, but until he does something in late August, September and October, it is is all irrelevant.[/SIZE]

So if he has one clutch post season, his past post season troubles are forgotten, and then he can be considered the best all around player in baseball? Which he is at this time.

Again , I M NOT DEFENDING HIS POOR POST SESON STATS, HE HAS CHOKED.

He's the kind of player people love to hate for some reason....The bashers act like his regualr season greatness is irrelevant which is silly.

He could hit 75 homers and win WS MVP and he would still be ripped.
 

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So if he has one clutch post season, his past post season troubles are forgotten, and then he can be considered the best all around player in baseball? Which he is at this time.

Again , I M NOT DEFENDING HIS POOR POST SESON STATS, HE HAS CHOKED.

It probably would end it. Right or wrong, I don't know. It ended it for Bonds and seems to have for Manning. However, if Manning bombs in the playoffs next time you will hear it again and hear that he actually was pretty poor in this season's playoffs other than 2H NE and I think it would be the same for ARod if he were to do well and then bomb again.

That said, he IS the best all around player in baseball. He is one of the best defensive SSs (actually better than Jeter), has been a good defensive 3B, great power, great speed although he doesn't run much any more, good average hitter. He just blows when the stage is the biggest. One can be great and suck in clutch situations. He will be mentioned with all the greats and unless he resolves that sucking everyone will always say "yeah, but..." and say they would rather have Jeter or Ortiz or whoever.

He's the kind of player people love to hate for some reason....The bashers act like his regualr season greatness is irrelevant which is silly.

He could hit 75 homers and win WS MVP and he would still be ripped.

This is true. For whatever reason he is a really unlikeable guy. Condescending when he talks, talks shit about Jeter, always talks about himself and how great he is. His sissy slap at Arroyo. The big contract. Combination of all of it.
he does have a ton of haters. Actually very intriguing.
 

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