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http://www.kpho.com/news/13026965/detail.html
"Hundreds of bettors have also been identified through the investigation and they will likely be contacted and arrested by sheriff's deputies, Arpaio said."


Huh? Does this make sense? I have *never* heard of a bettor being arrested for sports gambling (except for the Trauman case in North Dakota).

Or am i getting confused with *online* sports gambling.... and it seems these guys were betting over the phone with a local.

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These guys are screwed if they end up at Joe's place. Green bologna and black coffee are considered luxuries along with pink underwear. All that without AC in a place hotter than hell.
That's a serious undertaking for a sheriffs office. Joe must be bored with the run of the mill junkies and so is now looking for new customers.

Side note. You Sammy the Bull had some sort of roll in this.
 

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I just watched the video too and saw that. How can they arrest them, for what, its not illegal to place a wager. What can they charge them with, money laundering maybe? This is getting crazy
 
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So what did they do wrong. Seems everyone involved knew what was going on and agreed to it.

I hate the fucken government and would seriously smile if a plane hit the white house.
 

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Online gambling is illegal in a few states. So i suppose 'technically' they could make a few arrests from citizens of those states.
 

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Online gambling is illegal in a few states. So i suppose 'technically' they could make a few arrests from citizens of those states.

Wasn't Peter Dicks charged with placing online wagers? My understanding is that he was released only because NY refused to extradite him to Louisiana where the charges originated.
 

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Wasn't Peter Dicks charged with placing online wagers? My understanding is that he was released only because NY refused to extradite him to Louisiana where the charges originated.

No, Sportingbet was accepting online wagers from players in Louisiana. As a company executive he was a "bookie".

Just part of a $400,000 shakedown :scared:.
 

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They could arrest the bettors in NV. It is illegal in NV to bet online. I do not believe it is illegal in CA or AZ, but who knows.

This was not a federal probe and the feds aren't gonna go running around the United States rounding people up since there is no federal law against betting.

If you were a big bettor with this ring and are in NV and maybe AZ (Since they seem to think - do whatever you want) you might not want to be in NV or AZ much longer.

I just put AZ on my list of states never to visit. The only other one on it is Washington.

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AZ law:

13-3304. Benefiting from gambling; classification

A. Except for amusement or regulated gambling, a person commits benefiting from gambling if he knowingly obtains any benefit from gambling.

B. Benefiting from social gambling as a player is not unlawful under this section.

C. Benefiting from gambling is a class 1 misdemeanor.



I guess accordingly, bettors who ever received a payment in AZ could get a class 1 misdemeanor.



-Sean
 

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So what did they do wrong. Seems everyone involved knew what was going on and agreed to it.

I hate the fucken government and would seriously smile if a plane hit the white house.

So would I, but they fell short in Pennsylvania,unfortunately.
 

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Huh? Does this make sense? I have *never* heard of a bettor being arrested for sports gambling (except for the Trauman case in North Dakota).

Or am i getting confused with *online* sports gambling.... and it seems these guys were betting over the phone with a local.

Thoughts?

From Arizona State Law:

"13-3303. Promotion of gambling; classification A. Except for amusement, regulated or social gambling, a person commits promotion of gambling if he knowingly does either of the following for a benefit:
1. Conducts, organizes, manages, directs, supervises or finances gambling.
2. Furnishes advice or assistance for the conduct, organization, management, direction, supervision or financing of gambling.
B. Promotion of gambling is a class 5 felony"

"13-3304. Benefiting from gambling; classification A. Except for amusement or regulated gambling, a person commits benefiting from gambling if he knowingly obtains any benefit from gambling.
B. Benefiting from social gambling as a player is not unlawful under this section.
C. Benefiting from gambling is a class 1 misdemeanor."

"13-3307. Possession of gambling records; classification A. A person commits possession of gambling records if he knowingly possesses any book, writing, paper, instrument, article, electronically-produced data, computer software and programs, discs, tapes or other tangible or intangible method of recording information knowing or having reason to know that it arises out of, or was made in connection with, gambling in violation of this chapter.
B. Possession of gambling records is a class 1 misdemeanor."

"13-3310. Forfeiture
A. In addition to any other remedies provided by law, the following property shall be forfeited pursuant to section 13-2314 or chapter 39 of this title:
1. All benefits derived from a violation of this chapter.
2. All unlawful gambling devices.
3. All things of value used or intended to be used to facilitate a violation of this chapter.
B. A person that obtains property through a violation of this chapter is an involuntary trustee. An involuntary trustee and any other person, except a bona fide purchaser for value without notice of the unlawful conduct and who has not knowingly taken part in an illegal transaction, holds the property, its proceeds and its fruits in constructive trust for the benefit of persons entitled to remedies pursuant to section 13-2314 or chapter 39 of this title."

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/Search...&SearchPhrase=gambling&x=13&y=3&Scope=/ars/13

So it appears that the most violations involving non-regulated gambling in Arizona are misdemeanors, although the State has neat forfeiture rules for asset grabbing. I suppose the State does have some burden of proof.
 

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They could arrest the bettors in NV. It is illegal in NV to bet online. I do not believe it is illegal in CA or AZ, but who knows.

This was not a federal probe and the feds aren't gonna go running around the United States rounding people up since there is no federal law against betting.

If you were a big bettor with this ring and are in NV and maybe AZ (Since they seem to think - do whatever you want) you might not want to be in NV or AZ much longer.

I just put AZ on my list of states never to visit. The only other one on it is Washington.

-Sean

nothing but steers and queers there, anyway.
 

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Most states actually have misdemeanor laws against placing bets. Most are punishable by fines of like $50-1000 and 0-3 months in jail or whatever... Thankfully only WA and AZ seem to have a lack of real crime, time, and jail space to enforce these ancient ancient laws.

What happens next is AZ sites bettors (Maybe 50,000) and fines them all $500 + court costs. It's all about making money. I'd sure as hell ask for a jury trial.

-Sean
 

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Most states actually have misdemeanor laws against placing bets. Most are punishable by fines of like $50-1000 and 0-3 months in jail or whatever... Thankfully only WA and AZ seem to have a lack of real crime, time, and jail space to enforce these ancient ancient laws.

What happens next is AZ sites bettors (Maybe 50,000) and fines them all $500 + court costs. It's all about making money. I'd sure as hell ask for a jury trial. -Sean

Interesting.... i wonder if they'll attempt to seize the funds/winnings of the bettors....
 

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Thankfully only WA and AZ seem to have a lack of real crime, time, and jail space to enforce these ancient ancient laws.

Ancient laws? Washington State it's a Class C felony, that's a brand-spanking new law. No enforcement yet.

I think it would be great if Arizona goes and arrests 300+ bettors. Nice public backlash.
 

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Washington just repealed the felony. It is back to a misdemeanor for just betting now.

Someone with a clue in the state congress said we don't want to try and lock up a bunch of guys playing online poker with real jobs and taxes...

Sean
 

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More Arrests BetCRIS??

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18312565/

By Christian Richardson, Tribune
East Valley Tribune
April 25

Four men who authorities are calling the leaders of Internet-based sports gambling rings are behind bars following a series of arrests and seizures made Tuesday morning across the Valley. The two-year undercover investigation into the four separate gambling rings took authorities to Costa Rica, Las Vegas, and New York.

It all began when deputies got wind of gambling in Ahwatukee Foothills, said Maricopa County Sheriff's Chief Deputy Bill Knight.

The operation led authorities to dig into four rings that worked through East Valley and Phoenix bars, restaurants and casinos and led to the arrests of dozens of men and women from across the Valley - including Chandler, Mesa, Queen Creek, Scottsdale, and Tempe.

The bust is expected to lead to seizures in $145 million in bank accounts, cars and homes, Sheriff Joe Arpaio said as he stood alongside a row of gleaming vehicles - BMWs, Bentleys, Cadillacs, Lexus, Mercedes and even a Rolls Royce. Authorities already have taken $2 million in cash.

The criminals utilized money laundering, conspiracy, and extortion, and made violent threats in their operations that Arpaio said intelligence tells them is linked to East Coast crime families. "Everybody thinks the traditional mafia is dead," Arpaio said. "It's not dead, especially when it comes to gambling and prostitution."

Sheriff's Office charts show the gambling circuits broken down into organizations connecting several people, including Ralph S. DiPiero, 77, of Scottsdale; Lloyd D. Melton, 65, of Phoenix; Eugene J. Valenti, 38, of Phoenix; and Steven G. Pokrass, 53, of Phoenix. Those men, considered the "Big Four," were booked during the Tuesday bust.

Anthony Burgi, who was considered another key figure, died March 27 in a car wreck on Riggs Road near Gilbert. The 36-year-old was an attorney in Arizona. Authorities said his Dodge Viper went off the road and slammed into the back of an 18-wheel dump truck bed.

The sheriff's office is accusing Valenti of running the Web sites www.betcris.com and www.bigonsports.com; Melton is accused of operating www.tradewinds.com.cr/trdwd.com; Pokrass is accused of running www.allsportsnow.com; and DiPiero is accused of running www.vipsportswagers.com. Some of the Web sites have been taken off-line.

Knight said the investigators found gamblers would walk into businesses and set up an account, then use the Internet or telephone to place their bets. The illegal element came as the gamblers would then exchange money in those bars, restaurants, and casinos.

The businesses linked to the circuits included Jilly's American Grill, 825 N. 54th St.; Zipp's Sports Grill, 3950 W. Ray Road; and Teakwoods Tavern & Grille, 5965 W. Ray Road - all in Chandler. Also linked were two Tempe establishments: Skip & Jan's Sports Bar, 7700 S. Priest Drive, and John Henry's, 909 E. Elliot Road.

In Scottsdale, the rings involved Casino Arizona at 524 N. 92nd St., and at Talking Stick, 9700 E. Indian Bend Road, the sheriff's office said.

Authorities said it appears managers at the locations knew about the gambling. Knight said they are still investigating. None of the businesses have been shut down.

Beginning at 7 a.m. Tuesday, 200 deputies and volunteer posse members went armed with warrants for people in the Phoenix area, as well as Los Angeles and Las Vegas. They arrested 31.

Knight said those arrested could face charges related to conducting a criminal enterprise, money laundering and extortion.

The Arizona Attorney General's Office is working with the sheriff's office on the case. No formal charges have yet been made.

Arpaio said deputies will now go after 200 to 300 men and women who were placing bets. Those people could face misdemeanor charges.

"This is not over yet," Arpaio said. "This could become even larger."
 
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they are fake bookmakers,
not rock solid bookie,
they steal me 1000$.as i logged in after depositing and withing 3 days they showed in history i use money in casino,i never use to casinoing but,this hsit booki and fatehr of liers did.
 

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tradewinds use to be a good outfit.

heard this morning their may be even more to come out of this.
 

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