Paul Findley:Americans have no idea How the Israeli War Party lobby controls US forei

"Americans have no idea

How the Israeli War Party lobby controls US foreign policy"

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Twenty-two years in Congress: How the game is played behind closed doors

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Why does US foreign policy consistently support Israeli military aggression in Lebanon and elsewhere? Why do we turn a blind eye to Israel's brutal and inhuman treatment of the Palestinians? Why are we in fighting in Iraq?

The answers are laid out in calm, clear language by twenty-two year veteran member of Congress Paul Findley. He calls the control of US foreign policy by the Israeli War Party lobby "the most significant crisis we've faced in this country since the Civil War."


Findley talks about the impossibility of opposing the jewish lobby, the danger America faces today and the unreported incident of the USS LIBERTY.

I read Findley's book some years ago, when it was titled "They Dared to Speak Out." (Later, because it continued to sell, he updated it and dropped the past tense.)

It should be read by every fair-minded and literate American - all 50 of them.

Israel's control of the govt of the US through the American Fifth Column is, quite simply, the biggest story of the last 50 years. And the most suppressed story in the history of modern countries.

The idea, I think, is that since "anti-semitism" has caused such misery and suffering, that Israel had special rules created for it, given a pass that other countries do not get.

Apparently, one of the perks of the Holocaust-aftermath is that Israeli agents may control American foreign policy, at least re the MidEast. That the American people and American soldiers may be sacrificed for the greater good of a people who underwent such suffering,and for the aims of the state they carved out of Palestine in '48.

The long and almost complete silence of the "free" American press re this suppressed story will forever be a repudiation of the idea that the US enjoys a free press.

It goes against the pious hopes of the Founders, that a free press will inform the people, and the people will take the proper steps to restore sanity.

I'm not belittling the American tradition of freewheeling and unrestrained (tho responsible and scrupulously accurate) reportage, but their abdication of responsibility on this issue is shameful.

The Holocaust is not a valid excuse to suppress and distort fact. In any case, while a lot of horrors came down during WWII, Jews had no monopoly on suffering. (And I read some years ago that the leading Israeli expert on the Holocaust stated there were no gas chambers in the camps on German soil - not at Dachau, etc)

Israel is a nation. It should get no free passes, nor should any other nation. Nor should Jews as a group be given any free passes. Some of my ancestors were Irish, who endured a centuries-long holocaust at the hands of the English. Should I get some kind of reparations from the English for this misery?

Findley was a victim of this suppression of fact. So was fellow Illinois politician, Sen Charles Percy, who pissed off the Lobby when he carried the torch for Reagan's policy to sell advanced radar to Saudi Arabia.

The Lobby later boasted publicly of defeating Percy for re-election, and suggested other politicians who do not kneel to the Fifth Column will meet a similar fate.

An historian once stated that "truths long suppressed become poisonous." This suppression of speech practiced by the Lobby and its agents will one day rise with awesome, horrifying fangs, and spew venon over our land.

It has, always, in the past.

Findley's book (two of them now, I think) is a beacon of light for that old America when no topic was off-limit to free and open discussion.

And I read some years ago that the leading Israeli expert on the Holocaust stated there were no gas chambers in the camps on German soil - not at Dachau, etc

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You don't shit in your own house if you can avoid it Mr SD2.

America needed somewhere to torture and abuse Arabs...and the last thing America needed was a shrine on American soil for Islamics to go on a pilgrimage to in future years.

So Guantanamo was born, hidden away at the ass end of Cuba.

When the Luisitania is sinked, America declares war to Germany.

When Pearl Harbour is ambushed, America goes to war against the Axis.

When ships are attacked in the Gulf of Tomkin, America enters the Vietnam war.

When iSRAEL attacks the unarmed USS LIBERTY, America.....

...gives Israel more arms and funds, so they can kill even more american soldiers.


Spot the inconsistency.

If American politicians treated Israel as a "special nation," deserving of exceptions and largesse that we give to no other country, becuase of morality, an inherent sense of rightness, that would be OK. Sort of like we now allow American Indians the right to operate casinos, where others are barred from that activity. (Tho the US never treated Jews like we treated Indians.)

But that's not the reason for the largesse and excuse-making we allow Israel. It's all due to the power of the Lobby. All crassly political. When the Lobby comes a 'callin' at a politicos door, he pees his pants.

All the "antiwar" Demo candidates are loudly waving their war bonnets at Iran. Look closely, you'll see the alrightniks chattering in their ears, giving them direction.

I often wonder if things may have been different if the Pinckney papers were not fraud, and Franklin did make the suggestion, and it had been actualized by the Founders.

You don't shit in your own house if you can avoid it Mr SD2 -eek

A little cryptic in this one-liner, eek. Not sure I quite get it. Must be a Scotch thing - uh, Scottish.

The gas chamber reference? I was simply stating to assist a point something I'd read years ago from the top Israeli expert on shoah.

I tend to take all wartime propaganda with a grain of salt. In WWI the Brits did a terrific job at propaganda. They told their masses that German soldiers were "raping nuns on tables" and "tossing Belgian babies into the air and catching them on bayonets." (Never did figure the "tables" angle - was raping the nuns on a table worse than doing so on a bed, or on the ground? Nonetheless, brilliant propaganda.)

OK gang: who was it that said, "In war, the first casualty is truth." No fair checking the Net.

Benedict Arnold

Mike Owen, Hebden Bridge UK​

• In 1918 US Senator Hiram Warren Johnson is purported to have said: The first casualty when war comes is truth. However, this was not recorded. In 1928 Arthur Ponsonby's wrote: The 'When war is declared, truth is the first casualty'. (Falsehood in Wartime) Samuel Johnson seems to have had the first word: 'Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages.' (from The Idler, 1758)

• Peter Brooke, Mewmachar Scotland​

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• The original quote is "The first casualty when war comes is truth". Hiram W Johnson, staunchly isolationist senator for California, to the US Senate in 1917 (the year of his election to the Senate, where he remained until his death in 1945).
  Philip Draycott, Leicester UK​

• ..."The first casualty when war comes is truth," was coined by Hiram Johnson a Republican politician from California who served in the United States Senate for nearly 30 years, beginning in the midst of World War I and concluding with his death in 1945--as it happens, on the same day the U.S. dropped its first atomic bomb on Hiroshima...
  Gareth, Leeds UK​

• Rudyard Kipling.
  Paul Hardy, Croydon England​

• It has been attributed to both Athur Ponsonby in "Falsehood in Wartime" (1928) and US Senator Hiram Johnson in a 1918 speech. However, the true origin may be in the edition of "The Idler" magazine from 11/11/1758 which says "...among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages."
  Andy Ward, LONDON UK​

• Hiram Johnson (USA). The full qoute is "The first casualty when war comes is truth". Coincidentally Johnson died on August 6th 1945 (of old age!)
  Kevin Wooldridge, Lowestoft UK​

• Boake Carter, an American Radio Reporter. Not sure when though. I seem to remember hearing the original broadcast in a TV origram some time ago.
  Ken Blair, Stirling Scotland​

• Hiram Johnson (1866-1945) - a Progressive Republican senator in California. His actual quote, 'The first casualty, when war comes, is truth', was said during World War 1. He died on Aug. 6, 1945, the day the United States dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima.
  Gilbert Sharp, Bury St Edmunds UK​

• Michael Herr in his book "despatches" based on his experience as a journalist in the Vietnam War.
  Martin Togher, London England​

• Aeschylus.
  Joy, Doha Qatar​

• In war, truth is the first casualty. Aeschylus Greek tragic dramatist (525 BC - 456 BC)
  B Smith, Chicago Il USA​

• The most fundamental of the Chinese fifth century general Sun Tzu's principles for the conduct of war is that "All warfare is based on deception".
  Ed Richardson, Deer Lake, Canada​

• Alfred E. Neumann
  David Page, Gatineau, Canada​

• Aeschylus
  Frank Olsen, Ringoes United States​

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Bourgeois_Ram said:

I'm sorry I cheated but I'm sure someone would have come up with the definitive quoter, not so fast my friend.​

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The old Greek playright, Aeschylus, was indeed the first. But it's good that the great populist, Hiram Johnson, revived it in modern times.

Johnson was a true mensch. Among other things he gave California the initiative process, where any group of citizens with enough sigs on a petition can get their idea on a state ballot, for all to vote on

Yeah, it's been abused, and big money interests have tried to use it for their own ends (suprisingly, not always that successfully), and sometimes there's so many initiatives it's takes hours to read through them. But it has done a lot to protect the people against the special interests

That's why the great Hiram Johnson gave this gift to Calif. The thieves at Southen Pacific RR a century or so ago had bought the legislature as tho they were a boatload of cheap whores (!), to do their bidding, and so Gov Johnson allowed the people to make the laws

Unfortunately, the kept courts in recent years have overturned all too often the will of the people