As a Cubs fan I have always disliked the Sox and I can tell you I was pissed when they won it all in 05. I remember telling my buddies at the time that the Sox were going to be a team that will make the playoffs year in and out for the next 5 years or so after their championship. They had a great team put together, there pitching staff was just sick. I think Kenny made a huge mistake getting rid of Garcia and Rowand the year before. Their center fielder now Erstad isnt that good anymore and they miss Rowands leadership and defense. Contreras has been shaky and I am not a big fan in Vasquez. Basically what im saying is I am a big believer in not fixing things that arnt broken. Why did Kenny feel he had to make all of those changes after the 05 season? They should have just kept the same team. I am glad Kenny fucked up the White Sox because they have no chance of doing anything this year. There hitting has been terrible, Thome is hurt again.. what a surprise. And their pitching isnt what it once was.
I don't think a Starter has given up more then 3 runs in back to back starts since the first two games of the season. They are one game below 500 and they are hitting 220 as a team...
Once they start hitting they could easily rip off 10-15 in a row. Are you going to tell me they aren't going to hit because the team will not hit 220 all season and the players that are absolutely cold will eventually get hot...
If at the end of this month the Sox are still struggling with the bats...
I would not be surprised to see Williams try and move Dye...
He had a hell of a spring...
While he is leading 'em in HR's, his BA stinks.
Does not help the Sox any at all, that they are in such a tough division...
That unbalanced schedule really is a huge factor in the AL Central.
I would not be surprised to see Williams try and move Dye...
He had a hell of a spring...
While he is leading 'em in HR's, his BA stinks.
Does not help the Sox any at all, that they are in such a tough division...
That unbalanced schedule really is a huge factor in the AL Central.
wow, 5 star, you are an absolute embrassment to all cub fans. if i was a cubs fan, i wouldnt want to associate with you. moron. plain and simple. you clearly know NOTHING about baseball. CLEARLY. all thats missing from the title of this thread is "and the cubs will win it all! watch! i'll give anyone 7:1 odds on them not winning it! bet me!".
you are a cubs tool. you flood this message board with your northside garbage and then post plays and hope people take you seriously. hey, how's your boy felix "applie" pie doing? our guy Luis Terrero has 5 at-bats and has the same amount of HRs as Felix has in 30 or so at-bats.
and do you honestly believe that Marquis, Lilly, and Hill will continue to pitch the way their pitching??? If you do, you truly are a tool, plain and simple. It sucks that they're putting up their best starts in April and May, when the Cubs and their fans think the playoff seedings are being established. Lets see how these guys do after June, that's when they start earning their money.
as far as the Sox, dude, like Hawk said, if you told me that the Sox would be hitting .220 as a team on May 2nd and be just 1 game under .500, I'd say we;re going to win the division. Our biggest concern was John Danks, he's been GREAT. Our next concern was a bullpen, they're slowly proving themselves, although we do have some concerns. Now our problem is bringing Pods and Thome back. As soon as they get back and our lineup builds up that chemistry again, I see us slowly overtaking the Twins and Tigers. Only the Indians worry me.
As far as the Cubs, here's the NL Central at the end of 2007:
1) Cardinals
2) Brewers
3) Astros
4) Reds
5) Cubs
6) Pirates (2 games behind the Cubs)
later.
you are a cubs tool. you flood this message board with your northside garbage and then post plays and hope people take you seriously. hey, how's your boy felix "applie" pie doing? our guy Luis Terrero has 5 at-bats and has the same amount of HRs as Felix has in 30 or so at-bats.
and do you honestly believe that Marquis, Lilly, and Hill will continue to pitch the way their pitching??? If you do, you truly are a tool, plain and simple. It sucks that they're putting up their best starts in April and May, when the Cubs and their fans think the playoff seedings are being established. Lets see how these guys do after June, that's when they start earning their money.
as far as the Sox, dude, like Hawk said, if you told me that the Sox would be hitting .220 as a team on May 2nd and be just 1 game under .500, I'd say we;re going to win the division. Our biggest concern was John Danks, he's been GREAT. Our next concern was a bullpen, they're slowly proving themselves, although we do have some concerns. Now our problem is bringing Pods and Thome back. As soon as they get back and our lineup builds up that chemistry again, I see us slowly overtaking the Twins and Tigers. Only the Indians worry me.
As far as the Cubs, here's the NL Central at the end of 2007:
1) Cardinals
2) Brewers
3) Astros
4) Reds
5) Cubs
6) Pirates (2 games behind the Cubs)
later.
He can easily be 3-2. EASILY. Look at the final scores of his 5 starts...
Twins 3 - Sox 1 (this was vs. Johan) W
Indians 4 - Sox 0 (only gave up 2 R) W
White Sox 5 - Tigers 4 (his only bad start, he still gets ND) L
Tigers 6 - Sox 2 (4 R in 6 IP, not bad) L
Mariners 3 - Sox 2 (our offense injured and slumping) W
He's getting 2.00 runs of support per game!
And the guy just turned 22. I like what I'm seeing so far.
And to compare him to your ACE, Zambrano, Danks' ERA is 0.75 better than Zambrano's and has just 2 less losses. Zambrano has received 5.00 runs of support per game in his 6 starts. If Danks was getting 5.00 runs of support a game, he is 4-0 w/ one no decision vs/ Detroit the second time around.
You shred the Cubs...
Rip 'em apart...which is fine...
This thread was not about the Cubs...lol...
Then you make that asinine statement about Danks being "GREAT"...
Go on explaining that he does not get any run support...that does not make his 0-4 record with a 5 ERA GREAT.
Which was my point...if you truly think that he is a great pitcher right now...then I would have to say you just might be obsessed with the White Sox.
Good for you.
Because any rational baseball follower would disagree with your assessment of Danks right now.
Read what I originally wrote. I said our biggest concern was Danks, he's been GREAT compared to what we expected in the preseason. In 2004, we came into the season w/ an iffy 5th starter much like this year. In 2004, we had about 5 different starters in that 5th spot and they went something like 1-16 with an ERA near 6.50. Compare that to what Danks has done so far and it is GREAT. He's not great compared to every other pitcher in the game, he's not Halladay, Santana, or anyone like that, but compared to what we feared, he's been great.
And I made this thread about the Cubs because everyone knows 5 star is a cub tool. You aren't too far behind him. What happened to your Felix Pie thread? Oh that's right, he sucks. And no, I don't need to see anymore. Corey Patterson >> Felix Pie. Offensively and defensively. Pie is an .270 BA/.330 OBP guy at best. He won't hit more than 15-20 HRs either. He may steal a lot, but won't get on-base enough to run.
I'm not wasting another second arguing w/ the 2 biggest cub marks on therx. You guys are dellusional. I'm not anti-Cub, I'm anti-Cub morons. Hell, I've picked the Cubs to win something like 3 out of the last 5 times I've played their games. They had solid players, but their fans, FOR THE MOST PART, are annoying morons.
Ok far from great but better then expected. His ERA is very deceiving but he hasn't been great. I believe the Bullpen has allowed 5 of his inherited runners to score... So his ERA is slightly inflated...
But it is tough on a young pitcher when he never gets run support because he then begins to press later in games thinking he can give up zero runs... That has been what Danks is doing IMO. He has had 3 pretty good starts, one decent start and one bad start... But he never really gets lit up. He has work to do and is a decent pitcher but he is young and has showed a lot of talent.
If you tell me I am going to get 6 innings and 4 ER's from my fifth starter every outing I woudl almost be happy... then you think about it and that is a 6 ER... think about that... just one more run given up away from having a quality start and it is a 6 ERA...
Danks has been far from great... but he has been average... which is pretty good for a 22 year old who has no run support.
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None of what you just posted was "what you originally wrote". Maybe you should read your one sentence about John Danks. It is always a concern when any club has a rookie in their starting rotation...
I never said Pie was great.
Big difference kid.
Keep on with your homer BS...
It is funny.
Hey guys, as a fan of both the Cubs and White Sox (White Sox moreso though) I just wanted to join in on the discussion...hope you don't mind.
I understood at first the trading of Freddy Garcia..wasn't his contract getting close to expiring AND at the time we had the "young-phenom" Brandon McCarthy supposedly ready to step in? Honestly, I never was much of a fan of McCarthy, for some reason I never bought into him, and I feel just a tad vindicated now that he's getting shelled in Texas (lol, I know...not fair for a youngster to finally become a starter in that park). I remember his first ever start was against the Chicago Cubs and I bet the UNDER 8.5 and it cashed. Anyways, I don't think Ozzie of Cooper really believed in him either. Last year he was supposed to be our long-reliever, replacing the departed Vizcaino, and that never panned out, he just couldn't get that done. I think the thing that really got me thinking that Ozzie and Co. didn't have him in their future plans was in a game last year against the Angels they needed a spot starter because someone was hurt and instead of using B-Mac they called up Charlie Haeger (who got knocked around anyways if I remember correctly). We got Gavin Floyd from Philly...and yah...I'll stop there lol. I actually think Kenny realized he had put himself in a bit of a tough spot when he traded Garcia, because shortly after Floyd arrived we realized he wasn't ready and suddenly we were out a starter...and luckily we were able to pick up Danks from Texas. I agree with what was said, he's kind of been a tough luck pitcher so far, not getting much support at times, he could have easily had a couple wins by now imo.
I like the fact he's a LHP, we've got two lefties in our rotation now, although I'm not sure how long since Buerhle's contract situation is still unresolved if I remember correctly.
I've never been a fan of Vazquez, not sure why, but I am a fan od Jon "Judy" Garland and was pissed when I heard the rumors of him going to Houston in the offseason. Shit, I told myself that if he went to Houston, I would become an Astros fan LOL.
Glad to see that the Brian Anderson experiment appears to be done with for now, sure his defense was good and he had good range but damn...it was like we were an NL team batting cause he couldn't hit for shit and we stuck him down at the #9 slot. I'm interested to see how Ryan Sweeney develops if we can somehow get him some ABs, and wouldn't mind them giving prospect Jerry Owens a shot sometime this year.
In my honest opinion, after this year or possibly later this year, we could see a new starting leadoff hitter. Pods was great in 2005 and slumped a bit in 2006, and for some reason I don't see him being with the team next year. Erstad is decent at leadoff BUT as mentioned earlier he isn't the youngest guy out there.
Also, one thing that I always wondered...Ozzie usually goes with Thome (LHB) 3rd, Konerko 4th (RHB), and Dye 5th (RHB)..anyone else wonder why he wouldn't consider going with Konerko, Thome, then Dye? That would add extra pressure on an opponents BP later on wouldn't it cause then it would be RHB, LHB, RHB...u know, to mix things up?
Anyways, take it easy fellas!
I understood at first the trading of Freddy Garcia..wasn't his contract getting close to expiring AND at the time we had the "young-phenom" Brandon McCarthy supposedly ready to step in? Honestly, I never was much of a fan of McCarthy, for some reason I never bought into him, and I feel just a tad vindicated now that he's getting shelled in Texas (lol, I know...not fair for a youngster to finally become a starter in that park). I remember his first ever start was against the Chicago Cubs and I bet the UNDER 8.5 and it cashed. Anyways, I don't think Ozzie of Cooper really believed in him either. Last year he was supposed to be our long-reliever, replacing the departed Vizcaino, and that never panned out, he just couldn't get that done. I think the thing that really got me thinking that Ozzie and Co. didn't have him in their future plans was in a game last year against the Angels they needed a spot starter because someone was hurt and instead of using B-Mac they called up Charlie Haeger (who got knocked around anyways if I remember correctly). We got Gavin Floyd from Philly...and yah...I'll stop there lol. I actually think Kenny realized he had put himself in a bit of a tough spot when he traded Garcia, because shortly after Floyd arrived we realized he wasn't ready and suddenly we were out a starter...and luckily we were able to pick up Danks from Texas. I agree with what was said, he's kind of been a tough luck pitcher so far, not getting much support at times, he could have easily had a couple wins by now imo.
I like the fact he's a LHP, we've got two lefties in our rotation now, although I'm not sure how long since Buerhle's contract situation is still unresolved if I remember correctly.
I've never been a fan of Vazquez, not sure why, but I am a fan od Jon "Judy" Garland and was pissed when I heard the rumors of him going to Houston in the offseason. Shit, I told myself that if he went to Houston, I would become an Astros fan LOL.
Glad to see that the Brian Anderson experiment appears to be done with for now, sure his defense was good and he had good range but damn...it was like we were an NL team batting cause he couldn't hit for shit and we stuck him down at the #9 slot. I'm interested to see how Ryan Sweeney develops if we can somehow get him some ABs, and wouldn't mind them giving prospect Jerry Owens a shot sometime this year.
In my honest opinion, after this year or possibly later this year, we could see a new starting leadoff hitter. Pods was great in 2005 and slumped a bit in 2006, and for some reason I don't see him being with the team next year. Erstad is decent at leadoff BUT as mentioned earlier he isn't the youngest guy out there.
Also, one thing that I always wondered...Ozzie usually goes with Thome (LHB) 3rd, Konerko 4th (RHB), and Dye 5th (RHB)..anyone else wonder why he wouldn't consider going with Konerko, Thome, then Dye? That would add extra pressure on an opponents BP later on wouldn't it cause then it would be RHB, LHB, RHB...u know, to mix things up?
Anyways, take it easy fellas!
