Card Counting in blackjack

ECS · May 6, 2007

ok, first off, im not trying to break the bank or go crazy, just give myself a slight edge. After some practice I think I am pretty good (not perfect, but not bad). I went to the casino today and was up 200 playing 10 a hand and then went into about a solid 2 hours of - shoes and ended up only about 40 or so.

Im looking for 2 things, A. any website that can help me learn even better, B. casinos in vegas that offer lower than 6 shoes OR good comps when playing 5-25 BJ

Thanks guys:money8:

crunch99 · May 6, 2007

Does card counting work at all anymore? I thought they eliminated the advantage when they stopped using full decks.

GreenDoberman · May 6, 2007

ECS,
Try bj21.com
Current Blackjack News will give you a current index of playing conditions.
You can order it through the site or the Gambler's Book Store.

ECS · May 6, 2007

crunch99 said:
Does card counting work at all anymore? I thought they eliminated the advantage when they stopped using full decks.

what do you mean by this, and GD thanks bro, ill check it out

Livinthedream · May 6, 2007

Eliminating cards reduces the advantage.You do not know what cards are removed decreases the accuracy of the count

billhill999 · May 6, 2007

Play basic strategy try to keep track of faces, aces and fives.
Why fives?
The five is the dealers best friend, and can make any stiff.
Dealer must hit on 12-16, stand on 17, and the five is the only card that'll do the trick.

mj23 · May 6, 2007

No need to count i have been banned by 1 joint and i dont even count the main thing in BJ is MONEY MANAGEMENT!!

shdw01 · May 6, 2007

mj 23 said:
No need to count i have been banned by 1 joint and i dont even count the main thing in BJ is MONEY MANAGEMENT!!

I don't understand. With basic (non-counting) strategy, doesn't the house have the advantage?
What is money management?

crunch99 · May 6, 2007

ECS said:
what do you mean by this, and GD thanks bro, ill check it out

In the past they used to deal every card in the deck. But now they only do 70% or so before reshuffling. That makes card counting almost useless because you don't know what cards are out of play.

TheCooler · May 6, 2007

Learn Past Posting (i think thats what its called) that guy made millions and is still doing it.....

ECS · May 6, 2007

Thanks for the tip guys, even though they dont deal out the entire shoe, wouldnt it be nice to know when their was an overload of high cards? Yesterday In one shoe I was sitting on double digit counts for almost half a deck. Playing 10 a hand I ended up raising my bet up to 25 at one point (of course I got an 11 and had to make it 50, hit the 21!) and cleaned house in the one shoe.

ECS · May 6, 2007

Im also really looking for a good casino to play BJ that give nice comps for someone playing 5-25 BJ

Thanks!

Doug · May 6, 2007

crunch99 said:
In the past they used to deal every card in the deck. But now they only do 70% or so before reshuffling. That makes card counting almost useless because you don't know what cards are out of play.

When did they deal every card, the 1950's ? :missingte

Doug · May 6, 2007

TheCooler said:
Learn Past Posting (i think thats what its called) that guy made millions and is still doing it.....

Backcounting ? , Wonging it ?

Enter a shoe when it turns positive... you can't do that at most places,now.

Doug · May 6, 2007

ECS said:
Im also really looking for a good casino to play BJ that give nice comps for someone playing 5-25 BJ

Thanks!

too small for much more than drinks, maybe a cheap buffet at a non-strip place. $5 minimum is not that easy to find.

Mr.Smith · May 6, 2007

doug I think he means something like this

you bet a green chip. you get dealt 20. you slide a black chip under your green chip while the dealer is dealing to other players at your table

obvouisly if they catch you, they wont find this very funny

Doug · May 6, 2007

mj 23 said:
No need to count i have been banned by 1 joint and i dont even count the main thing in BJ is MONEY MANAGEMENT!!

no advantage if not counting.

Doug · May 6, 2007

Mr. Smith said:
doug I think he means something like this

you bet a green chip. you get dealt 20. you slide a black chip under your green chip while the dealer is dealing to other players at your table

obvouisly if they catch you, they wont find this very funny

that's outright cheating, very hard to do anywhere, even if you were very talented.

Mr.Smith · May 6, 2007

I saw a guy on travel channel, former magician I think, demonstrating it. he was very smooth.

worked like this. at a doubledeck game where you have to pick up your cards. if you see a 20, tuck the cards. then a couple seconds later pretend to re-check your cards to make sure you saw your hand right.

when he rechecked, he had the blackchip in his palm and he could slide it under theother chip very quickly and not noticably, then tuck the cards again.

he made a lot of money, claimed he was never caught. he had other tricks too.

yes, thats very illegal and ballsy. I certainly wouldnt try shit like that

Doug · May 6, 2007

you'd have to have been playing some occasional black chips, maybe a pro cheat could do it once or twice and exit quickly. Camera would catch it.Bosses watch black (chip) players.