I get reduced juice + and better payout, why don't more people do this?

jasin4000 · May 7, 2007

I actually haven't started doing this yet, but I was thinking about starting to do this.

Just basically 2 team parlay a team I like with both of sides of another game.

For example:

Take tonight's San Fran and Mets game and Tomrrows pirates/cubs game.

I love the giants so I then would parlay that game with the pirates and then 1 parlay with the cubs.

Like this...

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5/7/2007 10:15 PM - (EST)</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>Baseball MLB
Wager Typearlay
San Francisco Giants
Money Line -113 for Game
OL Perez -L must Start B Zito -L must Start
<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left>Selection #2
5/8/2007 8:05 PM - (EST)</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>Baseball MLB
Wager Typearlay
Pittsburgh Pirates
Money Line +139 for Game
I Snell -R must Start T Lilly -L must Start
<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2>Amount : Risking $100.00 To Win $350.50 USD

And...

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=650 border=0><TBODY><TR><TH vAlign=top align=left width=200>Date Time / Reference</TH><TH vAlign=top align=left width=450>Description</TH></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left>Selection #1
5/7/2007 10:15 PM - (EST)</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>Baseball MLB
Wager Typearlay
San Francisco Giants
Money Line -113 for Game
OL Perez -L must Start B Zito -L must Start
<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left>Selection #2
5/8/2007 8:05 PM - (EST)</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>Baseball MLB
Wager Typearlay
Chicago Cubs
Money Line -149 for Game
I Snell -R must Start T Lilly -L must Start
<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2>
Amount : Risking $100.00 To Win $215.00 USD </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2><INPUT id=inetWagerNumber type=hidden value=0.645522414780255 name=inetWagerNumber> Please review wagers carefully prior to pressing the "Confirm Wager" button.

So in reality are I getting san fran straight for either 200 total to win either 215 or 350. So that line of -113 would really be +107.

You can't use this on a spread that you like that is very high juice(ex -180 and higher)

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can this be done and do people do it?

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fhmesq44 · May 7, 2007

You aren't getting it to win 215 or 350, you are getting it to win 115 or 250, you forgot to reduce the winnings by the loss of the other parlay.

Whether or not you get a "better line" depends on who wins tomorrow. If the Cubs win, your line is much worse than -113 as you are risking 200 to win only 115.

Doug · May 7, 2007

won't work

Paterno · May 7, 2007

:monsters-

shdw01 · May 7, 2007

Okay, if you played SF straight up, you either:

Win $100 or
Lose $113

if you do the parlay you either:

If SF loses - Lose $200
If SF wins and Pirates wins - Win $350 (and lose $100) for +$250
If SF wins and Cubs wins - Win $215 (and lose $100) for +$115 (not to mention this is more likely if SF wins)

FatTony · May 7, 2007

:monsters-

jasin4000 · May 7, 2007

fhmesq44 said:
You aren't getting it to win 215 or 350, you are getting it to win 115 or 250, you forgot to reduce the winnings by the loss of the other parlay.

Whether or not you get a "better line" depends on who wins tomorrow. If the Cubs win, your line is much worse than -113 as you are risking 200 to win only 115.

I am saying if the giants win tonight and the cubs win tomorrow, It will be 200 total dollars risking to win 215(counting both parlays into that). So it would be like a straight bet on the SF and it doesn't matter the outcome on the 2nd game because its still + money as long as the giants would win.

And if the pirates win it will be 200 to win 350.

Then the juice of the giants is a lot better than -113 after everything. It is +107 or better depending on the 2nd game.

How won't this work?

jasin4000 · May 7, 2007

shdw01 said:
Okay, if you played SF straight up, you either:

Win $100 or
Lose $113

if you do the parlay you either:

If SF loses - Lose $200
If SF wins and Pirates wins - Win $350 (and lose $100) for +$250
If SF wins and Cubs wins - Win $215 (and lose $100) for +$115 (not to mention this is more likely if SF wins)

Exactely what Im trying to say.

FatTony · May 7, 2007

jasin4000 said:
I am saying if the giants win tonight and the cubs win tomorrow, It will be 200 total dollars risking to win 215(counting both parlays into that). So it would be like a straight bet on the SF and it doesn't matter the outcome on the 2nd game because its still + money as long as the giants would win.

And if the pirates win it will be 200 to win 350.

Then the juice of the giants is a lot better than -113 after everything. It is +107 or better depending on the 2nd game.

How won't this work?

What about the $100 you lost in the other parlay?

Paterno · May 7, 2007

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jasin4000 · May 7, 2007

:missingte

Wow. thanks for making me understand. Im high sitting here with my buddy thinking this is a miracle.

Say no to drugs.

:monsters- :monsters- :monsters- :monsters-

FatTony · May 7, 2007

jasin4000 said:
:missingte

Wow. thanks for making me understand. Im high sitting here with my buddy thinking this is a miracle.

Say no to drugs.

:monsters- :monsters- :monsters- :monsters-

Don't say no to drugs........just get better drugs!!! :thumbsup:

fhmesq44 · May 7, 2007

YOu are forgetting to offset the loss on the second parlay

Your results are

Giants lose = -200
Giants win/Cubs Win = +215 - 100 = +115
Giants win/Pirates win = +350 - 100 = +250

Alternatively, you would be only the Giants

Giants lose -226
Giants win +200

You getting a "better line" requires the dog to win the following day. If the Cubs and Giants win, you have risked 200 to win 115, means you have turned the -113 Giants line into something close to -180.

While you can't turn a Giants win into a losing situation, you can reduce your net winnings greatly (from 200 to 115) but your winnings will increase less than proportionately (from 200 to 250). Do you really not understand why this doesn't work. Simply put, parlays pay out less than straight bets.

Paterno · May 7, 2007

jasin4000 said:
:missingte

Wow. thanks for making me understand. Im high sitting here with my buddy thinking this is a miracle.

Say no to drugs.

:monsters- :monsters- :monsters- :monsters-

I was just messing around with the green guys. I have done some crazy math at times also. I will take a look at Giants since your so confident.

HarryCaray · May 7, 2007

Whoa.

Paterno · May 7, 2007

HarryCaray said:
Whoa.

:lolBIG:

jasin4000 · May 7, 2007

So this could work for freeplays?

fhmesq44 · May 7, 2007

jasin4000 said:
So this could work for freeplays?

No, you would be better of just playing SF and fading SF in the same game. Then you at least get back ~48% of your Bonus Play.

Doug · May 7, 2007

better yet to take the guaranteed 75% on a 3-team parlay played all 8 ways.

shdw01 · May 7, 2007

:lolBIG: man you are making us do calculations we aren't sure of.....

all gamblers have thought this through before and we know it doesn't work. But with these baseball lines you make it really hard.

Giants straight up - risk $200 to win $177 (-113)

Parlay:
Risking $200 for either $250 (+125) or $115 (-174)

so if the +139 wins, you get paid at +125

if the -149 wins, you get paid at -174