Can't see Vick playing in a long long time.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Videotapes sought of Vick watching dog fights
</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER height="1" width="1" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><STYLE type=text/css> td.yspwidearticlebody { font-size: 13.5px; }</STYLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspwidearticlebody>By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
May 15, 2007 <TABLE id=ysparticleheadshot cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 align=left border=0 vspace="5" hspace="5"><TBODY><TR><TD class=ysptblbdr2><TABLE class=yspwhitebg cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE class=yspwhitebg cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The lead investigator in the case of dog-fighting accusations against Atlanta quarterback Michael Vick said Monday that she believes there is substantial evidence to eventually tie Vick directly to the felony crime.
That evidence could eventually include videotapes of Vick at matches. Kathy Strouse, the Animal Control coordinator for the City of Chesapeake in Virginia, said Monday that she has received a tip from what is described as a "reliable source" that tapes of Vick exist that would tie him directly to the burgeoning scandal and a possible felony charge.
"We don't know where (the tapes) are or if they do indeed exist, but I have been told that they are out there," said Strouse, who is also affiliated with two other organizations involved in the welfare of animals. "Without knowing where they are, there's no possibility of getting a search warrant at this point."
Strouse said she has also talked with individuals who can "put Vick on that property" during matches. However, those individuals have been reluctant to testify at this point, leaving much of the evidence against Vick that has become public at this point as circumstantial.
Last month, Vick's residence in Smithfield, Va., was raided and dog-fighting paraphernalia was confiscated. Vick initially denied any knowledge of the situation, blaming family and friends for the operation. However, Vick declined to comment on the advice of attorneys when approached at the Falcons' mini-camp over the weekend.

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"He was at the home and saw the equipment that we seized," Strouse said of Poindexter. "When we were there, he said he had enough right there to issue an indictment. He didn't say who he would indict, but he said he had enough.
"Now, with what he has said, it makes you think, 'What in the world is going on in Surry County?' This certainly doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about the Surry County attorney," Strouse said.
Poindexter did not return a call from Yahoo! Sports on Monday.
Dog fighting is a felony in 48 states and is a misdemeanor in Idaho and Wyoming. In Virginia, a conviction can carry up to five years in prison and/or a fine of up to $2,500, Strouse said.
Before the NFL draft in late April, Vick met with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to discuss the situation. In addition, Falcons owner Arthur Blank has expressed growing concern with the investigation.
Earlier this offseason, the Falcons traded backup Matt Schaub to the Houston Texans and later signed veteran Joey Harrington to be Vick's primary backup. However, Harrington is not seen as a long-term solution.
On Friday, Vick politely told a group of approximately 30 reporters that he wasn't going to discuss the latest controversy and that the only thing on his mind was football.
"It is still under investigation, and once it is over, we will talk about it. As of right now, I cannot talk about the situation," Vick said. His lone departure from that was to say: "Don't plan on talking about me anymore unless it's about football."
While Vick's non-answer was predictable, it was also an interesting backtrack from only two weeks before. On April 27, the day before the draft, Vick was in New York to promote the NFL Quarterback Challenge. At the time, Vick was asked about the investigation in Virginia and disassociated himself from the house and the investigators' findings.
Vick's response was quickly refuted. According to several media outlets, neighbors said that Vick was seen in the area regularly and had even purchased materials such as syringes, which are often used in the training of dogs for fighting.
On Friday, NFL scout, one-time Yahoo! Sports analyst and current FOX Sports Radio host Chris Landry took it a step further during an interview on 620 WDAE in Tampa, Fla. Landry said that Ray Buchanan, a former Atlanta defensive back, told him that Vick has been involved in dog fighting for years.
"(Buchanan) tells me that Michael has been into this dog fighting for so long that … he not only knew about, he is behind all of it," Landry said. "He's paying for all of it … Apparently, he's into it big time."
Buchanan strongly denied saying any of that when contacted by Yahoo! Sports on Monday.
"I have to talk to Chris about all of that because I didn't say anything like that at all," Buchanan said. "If I was going to say any of that, I would have said it myself on my own radio program. I don't know anything about Michael being involved in any of that and I would not snitch on a player if I did. I'm a player's mouthpiece."
These developments led to conjecture about whether Vick will get in trouble with federal authorities and/or the NFL. Blank told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution last week that he is obviously concerned.
"From the facts we have so far, it's not a pretty picture. It's clearly an issue, and we'll wait to see what revolves around it," Blank said.
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I wouldn't be surprised, but this is a bunch of speculation from the heads of the animal control organizations...don't you think they have a lot to win by touting this in the media as much as possible, regardless of the facts? I'll believe it when I see it, let's just say that.

It's more than obvious dog fighting is his thing - can it be proven criminally? - that's a different story - if a tape surfaces of him dog fighting it would most likely be absolutely brutal for an normal person to watch and I would imagine the Falcons let him go on the spot - seems like the owner already has him on a short leash - Ray Buchanan saying that Vick is really into dog fighting ain't helping his cause either

Let me edit: apparently Buchanan now denies saying Vick was into dog fighting.

That's funny. He was on a short leash about dog fighting.

I disagree. He is a big star(even though he's overrated) and he makes money for the NFL. Just my 2 cents, if he's involved in dog fighting, he's a scum bag. And yes, I believe he is. He will probably be suspended but he will not be out for a long long time.

Nobody will win anything in the NFL with Vick, everyone knows that but Atlanta cannot admit it, so they hope something happens along the way to get them off the Hook. The NFL has Vick banged to rights as far as tactics is concerned, cover the run as He 's just not good enough to beat you with the pass. Lets hope the illusion carries on this year so plenty of easy earned is got. :toast:

Vick is nothing but a peice of shit as player and as a human being. he should be put in a ring with Ray lewis or Leonard Little and they can fight to the death. The world would be a better place without either one of those scumbags on this planet.Being involved in dogfights to me is equal to being invloved with murder. And all you liberal morons can stick it because an animals life is just as precious as a humans.

the nfl wont do anything.

is he goes to jail for it , that would be a different story.

The NFL is doing everything possible to clean up the thug image right now - and a California congressman has told the league take care of Vick or we will take care of the league for you.

Here's the article - when Congress threatens leagues that they'll police them if the league can't do it drastic actions are taken.
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Published on: 05/18/07 A California congressman has joined the cause against Michael Vick, firing off a letter Friday that urged NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to "act swiftly and forcefully" if the Atlanta Falcons quarterback was involved in dog fighting on his former property.
Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., pointed out that he's a senior member of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which two years ago held highly publicized hearings on the use of performance-enhancing drugs in professional sports.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Lantos raised the prospect of government intervention if the NFL fails to discipline Vick.
"I am outraged that one of the National Football League's superstars is affiliated with such a heinous enterprise," Lantos wrote.
Last month, police raided a Virginia home owned by Vick and allegedly found evidence of a major dog-fighting operation, including dozens off malnourished and injured dogs. The quarterback has denied any wrongdoing, and no criminal charges have been filed against him.
Vick has since sold the home.
"The level of cruelty involved in exploiting animals to the point that 60 malnourished and injured dogs were removed from Mr. Vick's property is mind boggling," Lantos said. "I will view anything less than the strongest repudiation of Mr. Vick's involvement as tacit support for this atrocious activity."
The NFL has said repeatedly it is investigating the case to determine if Vick violated the commissioner's tougher standards for players who run afoul of the law. Reached Friday, Falcons spokesman Reggie Roberts reiterated the team's policy of not commenting until the investigation is completed.
Calling himself a longtime advocate of animal welfare, Lantos joined two prominent animal rights groups that have called on Goodell to suspend or ban any players involved in dog fighting.
"As evidence of Mr. Vick's involvement mounts, I implore you to act swiftly and forcefully," the congressman wrote. "Your strong rebuke of dog fighting — and those who promote it — will send the message that this all-too-prevalent practice has no place in a civilized society."
In a not-so-subtle threat of possible congressional action, Lantos reminded the commissioner of his committee's efforts to weed out those who use performance-enhancing drugs.
"I also suggest you educate your players on the illegality and cruelty of dog fighting to prevent this from happening again," Lantos wrote. "It is my hope that the issue of animal fighting will not require us to further investigate the behavior of your athletes."

RDC-3 said:

Vick is nothing but a peice of shit as player and as a human being. he should be put in a ring with Ray lewis or Leonard Little and they can fight to the death. The world would be a better place without either one of those scumbags on this planet.Being involved in dogfights to me is equal to being invloved with murder. And all you liberal morons can stick it because an animals life is just as precious as a humans.

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Wow man. Tell everyone how you really feel. Seems like Vick did something to you personally with all of your hostility in this post.

RDC-3 said:

Vick is nothing but a peice of shit as player and as a human being. he should be put in a ring with Ray lewis or Leonard Little and they can fight to the death. The world would be a better place without either one of those scumbags on this planet.Being involved in dogfights to me is equal to being invloved with murder. And all you liberal morons can stick it because an animals life is just as precious as a humans.

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I don't agree with dogfighting, but is hunting for fun murder as well? Do the people that slaughter animals for money for us all to eat murder as well?