Ozzie you're losing it... Where was Bobby Jenks?

You have not been winning ball games... You are down 1 in the 8th... Bobby has the fewest innings pitched on the team for a guy who has been there all year. He is clearly your best pitcher maybe on the team completely. You just scored 2 runs in the 8th to bring it to 4-3

You need wins and you bring in a shitty guy you just called up from double A, Bukavich, to face arguable the best player of this generation with the bases loaded A-Rod... And he hits a grand slam... Bobby Jenks isn't getting save opportunities so what are you saving him for? He gets you out of the jam and you are down 1 in the bottom of the ninth. I know he is a closer but this makes no sense. He is the guy you want on the mound not some bum like that...

Ozzie is losing it... Bobby was the easy and obvious guy in that situation... what was he thinking?

Manej...I was thinking the same thing earlier in the game (7th inn?)when the Sox had 1st and 2nd with no one out (game tied).......in years past or at least the World Series year, Guillen wouldve bunted those guys over....which in this case wouldve put the Chisox up a run because the next hitter flew out to CF. Guillen is finally being exposed I think......

The Wolf said:

Manej...I was thinking the same thing earlier in the game (7th inn?)when the Sox had 1st and 2nd with no one out.......in years past or at least the World Series year, Guillen wouldve bunted those guys over....which in this case wouldve put the Chisox up a run because the next hitter flew out to CF. Guillen is finally being exposed I think......

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Not exposed I think he is just as frustrated and devastated by all the blown leads. Ozzie is a great manager... But you need to understand that he isn't use to a bullpen like this... No one is... No matter who he brings in, outside of Bobby, they get lit up. So Bobby is always his only option...

But my question is why does he never pitch then haha? Only reliable and one of the top 5 relievers in the game and he never sees the field... Doesn't add up...

themanej2001 said:

Not exposed I think he is just as frustrated and devastated by all the blown leads. Ozzie is a great manager... But you need to understand that he isn't use to a bullpen like this... No one is... No matter who he brings in, outside of Bobby, they get lit up. So Bobby is always his only option...

But my question is why does he never pitch then haha? Only reliable and one of the top 5 relievers in the game and he never sees the field... Doesn't add up...

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I just had this conversation today with a guy at work.......Back in the '80's each team had a setup man, but the closers would pitch 2 or 3 innings always it seemed to notch the save/win!!!! Now, these managers trot in 6 or 7 clowns a night to try to play matchups and those fools get lit up constantly. I dont know how or when this started and why all these managers are like sheep following the herd.

First of all, Bobby Jenks is nowhere near one of the top five relievers in the game. Top ten, MAYBE. Certainly not top five. Secondly, you don't bring your closer in down a run in the begining of June. I could see if it was tied but no way if they're trailing--no matter how much money people may have on it. If he did that, Jenks wouldn't be able to save nearly as many games as he does. There's a reason they call it a "closer," and not a "holder."
I do agree, however, that the bunt would have been the correct play earlier in the game, but it's the American League, where managers rarely have to actually manage.

asufan550 said:

First of all, Bobby Jenks is nowhere near one of the top five relievers in the game. Top ten, MAYBE. Certainly not top five. Secondly, you don't bring your closer in down a run in the begining of June. I could see if it was tied but no way if they're trailing--no matter how much money people may have on it. If he did that, Jenks wouldn't be able to save nearly as many games as he does. There's a reason they call it a "closer," and not a "holder."
I do agree, however, that the bunt would have been the correct play earlier in the game, but it's the American League, where managers rarely have to actually manage.

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True but Guillen coached this way the year they won the series....one if not the only one in the AL to play "small ball" from time to time.

asufan550 said:

First of all, Bobby Jenks is nowhere near one of the top five relievers in the game. Top ten, MAYBE. Certainly not top five. Secondly, you don't bring your closer in down a run in the begining of June. I could see if it was tied but no way if they're trailing--no matter how much money people may have on it. If he did that, Jenks wouldn't be able to save nearly as many games as he does. There's a reason they call it a "closer," and not a "holder."
I do agree, however, that the bunt would have been the correct play earlier in the game, but it's the American League, where managers rarely have to actually manage.

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You clearly don't watch White Sox baseball this year... You don't bring in the guy you brought in to face A-Rod...

Also he is a top 5 reliever... what are you talking about name 5 better... Look at his numbers the past two years... I think three blows saves in like 60 chances... great ERA... Clearly one of the best.

i couldnt agree more manej... ozzie is making terrible calls late in games imo. but the team just isnt getting the job done either lets face it Konerko is hitting .238, Iguchi .249, Uribe .218, Dye .224, Crede .216 and probably lost for the season with his back problems. Thome was out for a while and hitting .288. Podsednik has been hurt all season and Erstad who was playing well also has been injured. How can you expect the White Sox to be winning right now and their bullpen has been horrid outside of Jenks. The White Sox are in the best division in baseball and with the start they have had to the season I am very close to writing this team off for the entire season. Lets face it Indians and Tigers are easily the top 2 teams in this division right now and will win the division and probably the wild card. The White Sox will need their offense to step up and possibly make a late run but I just dont see it happening in this division. And you can never write off the twins either as they made that huge comeback last season to make the playoffs

Cordero, K-Rod, Nathan, Rivera, Papelbon... Thats just five. We could keep going. There are some setup men i'd rather have closing than him--he's a headcase at times. He's solid. Not spectacular. Its not October. This isnt a pennant race or a playoff series. You need to try different guys in different spots--especially those without defined roles--Jenks has a defined role. A loss is a loss. I doubt they score on Rivera in the ninth anyway. What difference does it make? Is it really worth overusing your closer? (I understand he's not overused at this point but if they brought him in in situations like that consistently he would be)

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Cordero, K-Rod, Nathan, Rivera, Papelbon... Thats just five. We could keep going. There are some setup men i'd rather have closing than him--he's a headcase at times. He's solid. Not spectacular. Its not October. This isnt a pennant race or a playoff series. You need to try different guys in different spots--especially those without defined roles--Jenks has a defined role. A loss is a loss. I doubt they score on Rivera in the ninth anyway. What difference does it make? Is it really worth overusing your closer? (I understand he's not overused at this point but if they brought him in in situations like that consistently he would be)

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Overusing once again you have not been watching the White Sox this year... Not trying to be a dick but please don't chime in when you clearly are oblivious to this team. The BUllpen is awful there isn't one good pitcher in the bullpen besides Jenks...

Let me get this straight you'll take Mariano, even though he is clearly not the same, and Papelbon, even though he couldn't get through a full season. The top two save % in the MLB in the last year and a half is Jenks and K-Rod... Give me those two because I don't care how you get it done as long as you do.

The White Sox aren't establishing rolls in their bullpen they are trying to get victories man. They know they have no one outside of Thornton and Jenks...

I didn't know 2-1 with a 2.49 ERA and 16 saves in 17 chances was solid? 63 saves in 66 chances and you'd rather have set up man in there over him in the MLB... are you serious man. It is about getting the job done not looking pretty. 63 of 66 is a very very very very amazing rate.... One of the top 5 closers in baseball...

And the Sox will be out of it by October if they don't use his ass now... The season is fading away because of the bullpen They had already gotten runs of Rivera so that is another wrong statement. Please don't question me about the White Sox man. I am not a gambler with that team I know them like the back of my hand. That is my favorite team in all of sports and Bobby Jenks should have been in the game not some just called up double A pitcher. YOu know how many times Bobby Jenks has pitched in the last 19 days? 4 times....

You are also taking Cordero who is clearly just having a career year over a guy of consistency. Don't forget last year he got traded out of Texas because he lost his job.