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    Becoming Illegal (From a Maryland resident to his senator)

    The Honorable Paul S. Sarbanes
    Senate Office Building
    309 Hart
    Washington DC, 20510

    Dear Senator Sarbanes,

    As a native Marylander and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue
    Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the
    Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process
    for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.

    My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to
    illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the
    Senate and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's
    provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the Unit ed
    States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a
    $2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years.
    I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the
    process started before everyone figures it out.

    Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay
    taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two
    years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way
    that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an
    excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes
    in 2004 and 2005.

    Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local
    emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have
    stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant
    figures I could save almost $10,000 a year. Another benefit in
    gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive
    preferential treatment relative to her law school applications,
    as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges throughout
    the United States for my son.

    Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the
    burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome
    car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I
    still have college age children driving my car.

    If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become
    illegal (retroactively I f possible) and copies of the necessary forms,
    I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistanc e.

    Your Loyal Constituent,
    Pete McGlaughlin

    Get your Forms (NOW)!! Call your Internal Revenue
    Service 1-800-289-1040. Please pass this onto your friends so they
    can save on this great offer!!!!

    Explain it to me once more: WHY do I have to "Press 1 for English"?
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    Subject: Fw: George Carlin's Solution to Saving Gasoline and Illegal
    Immigrants ...



    > Bush wants us to cut the amount of gas we use. The best way to stop using
    > so much gas is to deport 30 million illegal immigrants! That would be 30
    > million less people using our gas. The price of gas would come down.
    >
    > Bring our troops home from Iraq to guard the border. When they catch an
    > illegal immigrant crossing the border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some
    > ammo and ship him to Iraq. Tell him if he wants to come to America then he
    > must serve a tour in the military. Give him a soldier's pay whil e he's
    > there and tax him on it. After his tour, he will be allowed to become a
    > citizen since he defended this country. He will also be registered to be
    > taxed and be a legal patriot.
    >
    > This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution
    > for the troops in Iraq and the aliens trying to make a better life for
    > themselves. If they refuse to serve, ship them to Iraq anyway, without the
    > canteen, rifle or ammo. Problem solved. If you think this is a good
    > solution to both the problems, forward it to your friends.
    > Viva la Red, White & Blue!
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    The media talking heads mention amnesty and the border but what they fail to address is the real heart of the problem. The unequal distribution of costs and benefits and the probability of enforcement actually occurring. The people hiring illegals do great but for everyone else the costs are high and the trickle down benefits are trivial. They also fail to mention that illegals are often hired by people who want to cheat on taxes and regulations. They talk about a nation of immigrants but dont mention that during previous waves of immigration the US didnt have a welfare state. Nor had immigrants been exposed to decades of anti-American and socialist propaganda. They propose to double the security on the Mexican border. There is no basis in experience or logic that leads to the assumption this will reduce illegal immigration to negligible levels. Which brings up employment enforcement. In order to enforce the visa requirements the gov will have to establish data bases and hire personnel to verify info on employment and taxes(or refer info to IRS). They will also have to have another dept. or program to approach it from the employer end to cover new illegals,people who dont apply for visas or who apply but decide two identities are better than one. The IRS has a budget of 12 billion. The voluntary compliance rate though is actually very high. The illegals are currently 100% non-compliers. Where is the money and talent going to come from to make this viable? If it is enforced how many illegals will lose their job or business if forced above ground?
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    i see we are from the same area.i bet this business owner will regret the day he decided to hire illegals.i guarantee this goes on at more kitchens than we think



    CHINA GROVE, N.C. – Captain’s Galley, the restaurant linked to an E. coli outbreak in Rowan County, has been shut down after health officials confirmed that a goat was slaughtered inside the restaurant.
    The Rowan County Health Department announced today they learned of the slaughter from an anonymous tip by a former employee, which was confirmed by management and ownership.
    They’re not saying the slaughter is the exact cause of the E. coli outbreak, which sickened 20 people and killed one woman. But health officials say it is biologically plausible that the goat slaughter may have been the source of the outbreak.
    Officials say it happened in the kitchen sometime between May 11 and May 20, after the restaurant was closed for the night. It does not appear that goat was served to customers.
    It is possible, however, that kitchen utensils used to slaughter the goat may have been used later on in other food preparation, but that has not been confirmed.
    The former employee who reported the incident worked at Captain’s Galley at the time of the slaughter, but is no longer employed there.
    The restaurant management and their attorney did not protest the health department’s decision to shut them down. The owners say they are appalled by the acts of a few employees and have taken appropriate action against those employees.
    Health officials said eight cases of E. coli, a bacterial infection of the stomach and intestines, have been confirmed, and another 12 are probable. Everyone who got sick ate at the restaurant between May 26 and June 3.
    Faye Sides, 86, ate at the restaurant with family members after church on May 27, and she died last week. Both the health department and the owners of Captain’s Galley restaurant expressed their deepest sympathies to the Sides’ family.
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    Thanks Buster I added it to the above forum with all the other info
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    I was just informed about some of the details of this bill. Its a total scam. The probation/visa process will be a rubber stamp. 24 hrs after applying they will receive probation status and social security card. No real verification about employment status,criminal record, etc. Its no enforcement all over again. And why wont new illegals arrive and lie about when they arrived or their real identity?
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    What is the real reason this bill is being pushed through? Why is this bill being shoved down our collective throats when the citizens of this country as a majority are against it? It is obvious that the politicians don't give a crap about the citizens of this country.
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    all one has to do is look at the amount of food recalls etc. over the last 5 or so years.these people come from cultures that have no rules on hygiene etc.i cannot ever remember massive amounts of food recalls when i was growing up.i could be wrong.

    it seems we have a massive almost countrywide food recall every week
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    All I can say fellas is go to my main info site & start calling,faxing & E-mailing your Congressman....We can sit behind a computer & bitch or use it as a tool... All the Info is at the other site or above...The other site has a Ton of info....In quantity & sheer numbers we CAN & WILL make a diffrence..Now It's all up to YOU.
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    The reason Texansfan? Follow the money. The strategy of rich and poor uniting to soak the middle and working class isnt original. Even importing poor from abroad has many precedents in history. The real backbone of working class/small farmer support for the Union in the Civil War was from people worried that the potential spread of slavery would hurt their future economic chances.
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    Date: Mon.18, Jun 2007

    Just a note to tell you that my mailbox is being flooded with mail
    concerning gas prices and illegal immigrants. To boycott oil Companies
    or
    not; to provide amnesty to illegal immigrants or not, etc. Since I have
    become jaded to the various solutions proposed by the Republicans,
    Democrats, Sierra Club, ACLU, etc., I have elected to solve the
    problems
    as they affect me. My response solves both my gas and illegal
    immigrant
    problems.... I have hired illegal immigrants to push my car. They're
    plentiful and cheaper than buying gas. Then I pay them in Pesos so
    they
    have to go home to spend it.
    Don't you love it when a plan comes together?
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    This is very interesting..................

    Here is a REAL INTERVIEW with an illegal Mexican at a protest march in
    >Texas.
    >
    > Trying to reason with an Illegal Mexican
    >
    > This is good! Below is a good example of a discussion with a master of
    >circular logic. Don't be logical, don't respect the truth or your
    >adversary, just say what you think makes a new case when the previous case
    >gets too difficult to defend. On the streets of downtown Houston, May 1,
    >2006. Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station:
    >
    > Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters are
    >marching in the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what is your
    >cause and what do you expect to accomplis h by this protest?
    >
    > Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we are. We will
    > bring Houston to its knees!
    >
    > Jim: What rights?
    >
    > Juan: Our right to live here...legally. Our right to get all the
    >benefits you get.
    >
    > Jim: When did you come to the United States?
    >
    > Juan: Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night with seven
    >other friends.
    >
    > Jim: Why did you come?
    >
    > Juan: For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in a year in
    >Mexico. Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children can go to
    >school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday I will have
    >the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico!
    >
    > Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws when you
    >came?
    >
    > Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here. I have a
    >right to amnesty. I paid lots of money for my Social Security and Green
    >Cards.
    >
    > Jim: How did you acquire those documents?
    >
    > Juan: From a guy in Dallas. He charged me a lot of money too.
    >
    > Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged?
    >
    > Juan: It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and work.
    >
    > Jim: What is the "right" you speak of?
    >
    > Juan: The right of all Aliens. It is found in your Constitution. Read
    >it!
    >
    > Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it sa ying anything about
    >rights for Aliens.
    >
    > Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have Alien rights,
    >like the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in Mexico, so I came
    >here.
    >
    > Jim: I think you are referring to the declaration of Independence and
    >that document speaks to unalienable rights . Not Alien rights.
    >
    > Juan: Whatever.
    >
    > Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen, why then
    >are you carrying a Mexican Flag?
    >
    > Juan: Because I a m Mexican.
    >
    > Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty . to become a US citizen
    >
    > Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a part of
    >Mexico that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to its
    >rightful owner.
    >
    > Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas. After wining the war with Mexico,
    >Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the USA. It was not
    >stolen from Mexico.
    >
    > Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was California, New
    >Mexico and Arizona. It is just like all the other stuf f you Gringos
    >steal, like oil and babies. You are a country of thieves.
    >
    > Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies?
    >
    > Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China. I see them all over
    >the place. You let all these foreigners in, but try to keep us Mexicans
    >out. How is this fair?
    >
    > Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American citizen then.
    >
    > Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has a right to live, work, and
    >speak their native language wherever and whenever they please. That's
    >another thing we demand. All signs and official documents should be in
    >Spanish. Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in Houston
    >will speak Spanish than English. It is our right!
    >
    > Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without proper
    >documentation, what rights would I have there?
    >
    > Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different.
    >
    > Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right to live
    >wherever they please.
    >
    > Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now you want
    >Mexico too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights in Mexico.
    >Why would y ou want to go there anyway? There is no free medical service,
    >schools, or welfare there for foreigners such as you. You cannot even own
    >land in my country. Stay in the country of your birth.
    >
    > Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on this issue.
    >Thank you for your comments.
    >
    > Juan: Viva Mexico!
    >
    > You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY
    >Times or on the lead story of the major news networks. The protestors put
    >up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upside down at
    >Montebello High School in California.
    >
    > I predic t this stunt will be the nail in the coffin of any
    >guest-worker/amnesty plan on the table in Washington. The image of the
    >American flag subsumed to another and turned upside down on American soil
    >is already spreading on Internet forums and via e-mail.
    >
    > Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to
    >every representative in the state and federal government. If you choose to
    >remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to
    >call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be
    >"redistributed" to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of
    >the "fray". Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared
    >when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person
    >CAN make a difference. One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus
    >one........
    >
    > The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually
    >mean
    >something, however, hasn't even begun.
    >
    > If this ticks YOU off...PASS IT ON!
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >Be careful who you vote for...
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    Brighton-Mi wrote: 2h 4m ago
    Createdequal wrote:

    "yes I am a Criminal, But we are helping this country wealthy".

    The justification of being a criminal because you think that you are making the world go around is ludicrous. In my opinion, you are no better than a common street corner drug dealer looking to improve his financial situation at the expense of society.

    You are only helping to enrich yourself at the expense of everyone law biding American citizen. It is people like you that ARE bringing the rest of us down. You are stealing from the treasury, you are burdening the infrastructure, stagnating wages, all for your own personal benefit.

    The vast majority of people that DO make the world go around do not need the crutch of illegal aliens to support their lifestyle.

    I do hope one day that all of you criminals are held accountable for your crimes, including paying the back taxes. If you are ruined, so what, you have it coming.

    Law biding citizens are paying their taxes, hiring LEGAL workers, and they will be rewarded once you are put out of business.

    Finally, any criminal enterprise that requires illegal activity in order to sustain itself must be eliminated from our country.
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    Brighton-Mi wrote: 38m ago

    If the portrait of a "Saint" is one that has never been arrested, does not break the law, that pays taxes (property, state, federal), and has NEVER received a red cent (other than a tax refund) from the government (local, state, or federal), never taken a government student loan or grant, has an unpaid outstanding debt to anyone anywhere, has excellent credit, then you can call me a Saint.

    I will still label you a common criminal.

    The method of thievery (robbing a bank, peddling drugs, hiring illegal aliens), or your self justiying excuses (giving people a better life, fulfilling dreams, food on the table) is completely, totally, irrelevant.

    The reality is that you make more profit by breaking the law.

    Plain and simple.

    It is a an criminally indefensible position you have assumed and will continue to defend until you are exposed. That is coming.

    If you think for one moment that the public is going to indefinitely allow you criminals to go un-punished, you are sadly mistaken.

    Laugh while you can, your belongings might be out in the street one day, up to the highest bidder at the IRS auction.

    He who laughs last laughs best.
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    http://grades.betterimmigration.com/ Congress Immigration Grade Cards
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    They are doing more to open the borders than close the borders..

    Why...


    Google North American Union.
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    Illegal Brazilian nationals charged in alleged CDL scamTwelve men were arrested in Philadelphia last week on charges of obtaining or using fraudulent CDLs – and most of them were also charged with being in the country illegally.

    According to The Associated Press, 10 truck drivers and two truck company owners were allegedly involved in a scheme that involved obtaining CDLs in the names of American citizens.

    The drivers were Brazilian nationals who were in the U.S. illegally, The AP reported.

    The owners of Real Transportation and Fausto’s Trucking allegedly helped them get the licenses so they could haul construction debris to commercial landfills, according to The AP.
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    State health officials tested 286 employees at a Greenville poultry-processing plant for tuberculosis after a case of TB was reported there, and nearly half had a positive skin test.
    The investigation at Columbia Farms began a week ago after tests on the first individual confirmed active TB, said Thom Berry, spokesman for the state Department of Health and Environmental Control.
    The positive skin tests on 131 of the workers means they were exposed to TB sometime in their lives, not that they have active disease, he said.
    Of those workers, 63 had chest X-rays, revealing two possible cases of active disease, though officials are still awaiting confirmatory tests, he said. Neither is showing any symptoms, but they are being treated along with the initial individual, he said. Treatment involves taking antibiotics for six to 12 months.

    Berry said investigators were not surprised by the number of positive skin tests because so many of the employees are foreign-born. People born in other countries are nearly nine times more likely to have TB than those born in the U.S., according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
    "We suspect many may have been infected in their home countries before they came to the U.S.," he said.
    There is no danger of spreading the disease through the chickens, Berry said.
    Officials at House of Raeford in North Carolina, which owns the Rutherford Road plant, could not be reached for comment.
    There were about 14,000 cases of active TB recorded nationwide in 2005, CDC reports. And there are about 300 new cases a year in South Carolina, Berry said. One was confirmed at Clemson University on Sunday. None of those cases is related to the drug-resistant strain identified in an Atlanta lawyer last month.
    Berry said TB investigations are common in South Carolina.
    "When a physician or hospital makes a diagnosis of TB, it's reported to us," Berry said. "And when we get that report, we begin a close-contact investigation."
    Though some 900 people work at the plant, only 286 were tested, based on a CDC formula that determines the closest contacts, he said. But others will be tested if necessary, he said, and investigators will return to the plant in about eight weeks to retest the workers to make sure none has become active in the interim.
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    Article. XIV. http://constitution.org
    [Proposed 1866; Allegedly ratified 1868. See Fourteenth Amendment Law Library for argument it was not ratified.]
    Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. http://constitution.org
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