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WTO Could be Destroyed by US Over Online Gambling Issue


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Important questions will be raised in Geneva on July 24, about whether rules based on international systems can be used by the relatively powerless (Antigua), if the most powerful (United States), chooses to ignore or circumvent the World Trade Organization’s legally binding decisions.

The issue is whether the United States will comply with a WTO ruling in favor of Antigua, along with other countries, and compensate its government for loss of earnings because of Washington’s decision that effectively led to the end of online gambling in the U.S.

"There is something clearly wrong with the concept that after a long, difficult struggle covering years of dispute resolution at the WTO, an offending member could ultimately avoid the consequences of its loss by withdrawing the commitment that gave rise to the claim in the first place," said Dr. John Ashe, Antigua's Ambassador at the WTO.

Brazil has joined Antigua & Barbuda, along with the European Union (27 member states, including the United Kingdom), China, India, Japan, Costa Rica, Mexico, and China Taipei, to claim compensation on legal matters of principle involved.

In 2004, the WTO ruled that the U.S. had violated global trade rules with the ban on internet gambling, and that this was an unfair trade barrier that hurt Antigua’s gaming industry. Citing that the U.S. prohibition on internet gambling was inconsistent with its obligations under the 1995 General Agreements on Tariffs and Services (GATS).

The WTO also noted that the U.S. ban on online gambling represented an "arbitrary and unjustifiable discrimination between countries," and was a "disguised restriction on trade." The United States has lost its appeal and has decided to withdraw its commitment on this service from the GATS.

As part of its defense, The U.S. argued that it never intended to include cross-border gambling in its original GATS offer and thus should not be penalized. The WTO responded, "A specific commitment cannot depend upon what a member intended or did not intend to do at the time of the negotiations."

This argument also does not hold water as there was ample time for negotiations, and several member countries did in fact, explicitly exclude cross-border gambling from their services commitments made during the Uruguay Round.

It also became clear that until the U.S. started to change its policies, U.S. officials had met with their Antiguan counterparts to discuss how the sector could be better regulated.

Washington has since, in an attempt to make its position WTO compatible announced, it will modify its GATS multilateral commitments to explicitly exclude internet gambling. Further arguing that it need not compensate countries that might negatively be affected by the change, even though WTO rules require that this be done under such circumstances.

As we are all aware, the U.S. has said this is necessary to protect public morals and that such changes are permissible under WTO rules. Antigua & Barbuda won the case based on the facts proving that the U.S. does in fact allow such domestic gambling across the country, and this action is pure protectionism.

This is a major issue that will determine the future of the WTO and globalization. If the U.S. is allowed to modify its commitments without paying claims to other countries, the WTO agreements will effectively become moot and there will be no benefit for it to exist.

The U.S. appears to have become more conciliatory toward Antigua, after Antigua filed for $3.44 billion in annual compensation for lost revenues until the market is opened, or it will withdraw its commitments and will ignore U.S. copyrights and patents. This action could prove very costly to business and industry that is not related to gambling and could cause major complications to the U.S. economy.

The U.S. has said it will fight other trading partners on their claims for compensation.

The U.S. was a major force in establishing the rules for the WTO and should not be allowed to change them when it suits their purpose, or to avoid penalties they originally helped to establish.

It is difficult to comprehend, given the intelligent, thoughtful, diligent effort that went into the establishment of the GATS, that Americans simply overlooked this issue. It must be believed, since it was not excluded in the GATS, America did not want to exclude this service trade.

There are over 40 claims the U.S. has submitted to the WTO against other countries, and has successfully argued that the GATS should not be modified to avoid penalties. There is no reason to believe that the WTO will give in to pressure from the U.S. and allow it to become the first to do so. After all, the WTO was designed to level the playing field for all countries. Big and Small.

It would be much more prudent if the U.S. accepted defeat on this issue and established ground rules to allow, license, regulate and tax this industry for the benefit of all.

June 24, 2007
Posted By Bob Hartman
Staff Editor, CasinoGamblingWeb.com
 

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<TABLE class=PAGEBG cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=STORYTITLE>BUSHWHACKED! Antigua to impose US$3.4 billion sanctions on USA</TD><TD class=STORYTEXT> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=STORYTEXT width=5> </TD><TD class=STORYTEXT> </TD><TD class=STORYTEXT> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=STORYTEXT width=5> </TD><TD class=STORYTEXT><TABLE class=PAGEBG cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=196 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=PICTUREBORDER align=middle colSpan=5>
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</TD><TD width=5> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=PHOTOCAPTIONEX align=left colSpan=5>Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer of Antigua and Barbuda (left) and President George W Bush of the United States of America (Photo: White House)</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>WASHINGTON DC, June 25, 2007 - The smiles were either a formality or disbelief as Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer of Antigua and Barbuda met with President George W Bush and served him the news first hand that he is preparing US$3.4 billion in sanctions against Washington for failure to adhere to a trade ruling.
"We were able to highlight the importance of the Financial Services Sector to our economy and we were very clear in pointing out to the American Administration that Antigua and Barbuda is not looking for a fight, but we believe that the issues can be addressed in meaningful discussions," Spencer told a Diaspora meeting at the country's embassy in Washington DC on the weekend.
The United States banned Internet gambling which effectively shutdown many online businesses which traded in the USA including some which operated from Antigua and Barbuda. The twin-island federation complained to the World Trade Organisation (WTO) which found in 2004 that the US ban represented an "arbitrary and unjustifiable discrimination between countries" and was a "disguised restriction on trade" and ordered Washington to rectify the matter. The Bush Administration refused. While it permitted gambling within the United States it argued that it never intended to include cross-border gambling as a feature of trade and so they made an error.
The Spencer Administration has relentlessly pursued the matter, backing the United States into the proverbial corner. In response the US maintaining its claim of unintentionally including cross-border gambling in its trade pact, has modified its multilateral commitments so as to explicitly exclude Internet gambling.
Antigua and Barbuda has not only filed claims for damages but also encouraged other WTO members to do the same. Several others including EU, India, Japan, Costa Rica were expected to file at last Friday's deadline.
Meantime Antigua and Barbuda has announced its sanctions against the USA specifically by withdrawing intellectual property protection for US trademarks, patents and industrial designs worth up to US$3.4 billion in order to recover the amount it has lost in revenue.
"We feel we have no other choice in the matter, we have fought long and hard for fair access to the US market and have won at every stage of the WTO process," said Finance Minister Errol Cort. "Until such time as the United States is willing to work with us on achieving a reasonable solution to this trade dispute, we will continue to use every legitimate remedy available to protect the interests of our citizens."
According to reports, the US is now willing to consider a solution with Antigua and Barbuda but not with other countries filing claim on Friday.
Antigua and Barbuda has filed claim saying that its revenue from Internet gambling had dropped from US$1 billion annually to US$130 million as a result of the US action.
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It will all be legal in 6-12 months.

The US can not lose the WTO over this. They bluffed and got called.

The US also can not let copyrights be ignored.

They will now legalize online gambling, remind everyone it is immoral and you should not do it, and life will go on...

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It will all be legal in 6-12 months.

The US can not lose the WTO over this. They bluffed and got called.

The US also can not let copyrights be ignored.

They will now legalize online gambling, remind everyone it is immoral and you should not do it, and life will go on...

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you sound like you know what ur talking about....on alot of different topics

the day this happens....is the day america becomes a much better place

fuck driving to nevada just to place a sports bet

and fuck the crooked horse race industry.....they wont be the only game in town anymore

well I dont do indian casinos.....they are all over california......lol
 

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yeah, sean1 was right on with the neteller thing...didnt think that was gonna happen...

the timeframe of 6-12 months sean, how do u come up with that?
 

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and what exactly does it mean when u say IT WILL ALL BE LEGAL...

do you mean that it will be legal for Americans to place a wager with an offshore book?

do you mean that the USA will legalize and regulate its own internet gambling?

what exactly do you mean
 

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it means that he ie wishing for that to happen. good luck sean, don't hold your breath.
 

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I say it won't be for at least 3-5 years...and then probably to regulated to the max.
 

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Hope its true Canada has its hand out.

Elsewhere China was listed, guess we find out after the WTO meeting next month.


U.S. faces seven compensation claims in WTO online gambling case

By Vin Narayanan
25 June 2007

Casino City has confirmed that seven compensation claims have been filed against the U.S. in its ongoing WTO case with Antigua and Barbuda.
An official familiar with the case said compensation claims by Antigua and Barbuda, the EU, India, Costa Rica, Canada, Macau and Australia were made last week in response to America's decision to exclude online gambling from its General Agreement of Trade in Services Agreement (GATS) schedule.
Japan has also lodged a letter of interest in the case, but has not asked for compensation, the official said.
"It's rather premature to say how things will proceed from here," the source added.
Antigua and Barbuda are seeking $3.44 million in compensation. A Costa Rican official confirmed that they were seeking compensation, but declined to offer specifics.
In March, the WTO ruled that the U.S. could not allow domestic companies to offer horse racing wagers and lotteries over the Internet without giving companies from other countries an opportunity to provide those services.
The compensation claims are not expected to change U.S. policy.
 

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What I meant by my response was it will be legal (Or the laws will be being written to make it legal) to place a sports bet or poker bet online within 12 months. This will include offshore books. Most likely they will face some regulation to verify ages and block corruption.

The WTO is going to grant Antigua sanctions (Likely copyrights) sooner rather than later and the US will comply very very quickly once that happens. There is absolutely no way when Disney and Microsoft come knocking on Congress that congress does not comply.

Of course this is opinion so there is no reason to trash it...

Also Neteller could still be open if they so chose. Unlike Neteller, Antigua and the WTO are not a bunch of pansies.

And no, I do not wish for legalization and regulation. I would prefer the whole issue dissapear.

-Sean
 

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sean is just speculating as to what he thinks will happen.

The truth is that no one on this message board has any idea what's going to happen. It's all speculation.

Just wait and see what happens.
 

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