Hunter Pence vs. Ryan Braun- Who wins NL Rookie of the year

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According to Stats Inc., center fielder Hunter Pence's .346 batting average entering Thursday was the fourth-highest (minimum 250 at-bats) for a rookie since 1940.

The top three rookie batting averages during that span: San Francisco's Dan Gladden (.351 in 1984), Seattle's Ichiro Suzuki (.350 in 2001) and Boston's Wade Boggs (.349 in 1982).

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July 6, 2007, 1:41PM
Pence enjoying sensational rookie season with Astros
The outfielder has been so incredible that observers as diverse as young female fans and an old-school manager are gushing with admiration

By JOSE DE JESUS ORTIZ
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

As Hunter Pence returned from batting practice Thursday afternoon, a host of media surrounded his locker stall at Minute Maid Park, spilling over to the stall belonging to franchise icon Craig Biggio.
"Hunter," Biggio jokingly told his protégé, "I'll move out for you."
Just a week after Biggio became the 27th player in history to collect 3,000 hits, Astros reliever Dave Borkowski couldn't pass up a dig as Biggio sought refuge.
"Bidge," Borkowski exclaimed, "you're old news."
Since Biggio broke into the majors in 1988 and Jeff Bagwell joined him in 1991, Houston baseball has been identified with that twosome. Lance Berkman, Roy Oswalt and Carlos Lee are now the high-priced leaders of the club. In Pence, the Astros have their future and a reason for optimism.
Pence, 24, is the latest matinee idol at Minute Maid Park, where even guys show up with the signs their girlfriends made declaring their love for the rookie center fielder from Arlington.
"Hunter, Feed the Masses," has become a popular theme on signs at Minute Maid Park.
One creative woman recently even vowed to dump her boyfriend for Pence, showing up at the stadium with a sign that read: "I'll dump this guy for you, Hunter."
"I'm kind of like, 'Come on, that's kind of mean for your boyfriend,' " Pence said. "I just saw the guy holding it up. I'm like, 'Why is he holding that up?' He was all pumped about
it. I don't know if I signed that one or not."
For the first time this season, Pence has enough plate appearances to qualify among the league leaders and his .345 batting average places him second in the National League.
That's why baseball men love him. With home runs in three consecutive games this week, he became just the fifth Astros rookie to accomplish that feat. The NL Rookie of the Month in May, he started July with four consecutive multi-hit games.

Lofty company


Only Matt Holliday (.352) of the Colorado Rockies has a higher batting average in the NL than Pence among the hitters who qualify. Since 1940, San Francisco's Dan Gladden (.351 in 1984), Seattle's Ichiro Suzuki (.350, 2001), Boston's Wade Boggs (.349, 1982), Pence (.345) and Cincinnati's Hal Morris (.340, 1990) are the only rookies with at least 250 at-bats to have an average of at least .340.
Pence tries to downplay all the headlines he's making. Still, he's the newest young darling of Houston sports.
"I've seen some rookies kind of come on the scene like that," the Astros' Mark Loretta said. "He's made adjustments quicker than any other rookie I've seen, meaning they've kind of tried to pitch him every which way — all curveballs, fastballs in — and he seems to make the adjustment. Just when you think, OK, this guy, they've kind of figured him out or the scouting report is out on him a little bit, he seems to find a way to keep going."
Pence, who made his major league debut April 28, is still learning. He's more likely to point out his mistakes than his successes. He credits third base coach Doug Mansolino and manager Phil Garner for getting on him when he misses signs or fails to understand the nuances of the game.
"You're always going to give 100 percent, but you've also got to pay attention to the situation," he said. "There's one time I got thrown out at third. I felt like I could stretch a double into a triple with Adam Dunn (making the throw). I was wrong. I think there were two outs. And at second, you're already in scoring position.
"Unless I was 100 percent (certain), you can't go right there. You still hustle. In case you can make it and it's 100 percent, you go. But if not, you just shut it down and get back to the bag. As long as you're running hard and doing everything you can, there's nothing you can do different."
Running and effort haven't been a problem. Respecting the game and its past also haven't been an issue.
"He's been very respectful," Garner said of Pence. "It's refreshing in a lot of ways. There's nothing wrong with being cocky. But what you do appreciate, being in the game a long time, is that he appreciates the order of the game. There's a hierarchy. Craig Biggio should command a little bit of respect from younger players. The same would be true for Woody Williams. There's a certain amount of respect you pay to the guys who played the game and have played it a long time.

The next caretaker


"There's a few times when kids come to the game today they don't even know who Jeff Bagwell is. ... There's not this sense of fitting into a game and its history and its place and how important it is to respect the game and carry on our good traditions. There's a certain respect you pay to the game because you're kind of a caretaker of the game. You're picking it up from the way Bagwell left it and Willie Stargell or those other guys."
In Pence, the Astros have a young player who can carry on what Bagwell and Biggio have built.
 

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if he stays healthy this guy is a lock for NL rookie of the year
 

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GOOD RACE:


BRAUN

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PENCE

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At the All-Star break



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Its a tossup right now

Who knows a month ago Lincecum looked like a lock, maybe Tulawitsky gets in the mix if he gets hot
 

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Here is my only question...

Why is everyone making it out to be a two man race in the media?

Josh Hamilton is better defensively then both of them and he only has 200 AB because he got a stomach ailment. If he continues to improve I would say he will be in the race as well...

Hitting 280 with 14 HR's and 30 RBI's in only 200 AB's... I know the reds are horrible but he is a great story and a phenomenal player
 

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Here is my only question...

Why is everyone making it out to be a two man race in the media?

Josh Hamilton is better defensively then both of them and he only has 200 AB because he got a stomach ailment. If he continues to improve I would say he will be in the race as well...

Hitting 280 with 14 HR's and 30 RBI's in only 200 AB's... I know the reds are horrible but he is a great story and a phenomenal player


Could be the best of our generation...
 
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Thats gotta be sweet...they must be adding some great points to you fantasy team:aktion033

I even have Ramirez, but my pitching sucks..

Maine
Francis
McGowan
Garza
Hughes
Bailey
Miller
Marmol
Rivera
Nathan
Washburn

Had Sheets and Lincecum but traded them like the dumbass I am...:thumbsup:
 

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BRAUN Hits HR 14 tonight and had

6 HR's on his last 7 games


And being in a pennant race may matter as well.
 

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braun is a guy who will be a solid contributor for the next decade. pence strikes me as a total flash in the pan who will be a utility player 4-5 years from now. i just dont see how he will survive with how unorthodox he is in everything he does. braun looks to be the real deal. not convinced pence is anything more than eric hinske or pat listach.
 

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braun is a guy who will be a solid contributor for the next decade. pence strikes me as a total flash in the pan who will be a utility player 4-5 years from now. i just dont see how he will survive with how unorthodox he is in everything he does. braun looks to be the real deal. not convinced pence is anything more than eric hinske or pat listach.


Although his technique on the field is constantly being labeled “Unorthodox”, he still gets the job done. He can hit for power or precision, steal bases, and make incredible catches. In no way is there for the ROY award a large gap between Ryan Braun and Hunter Pence.

Braun better improve his defense or hope the writers don't take a peek at his stats. He just had 2 more erorrs giving him 11 in 44 games for a .894 FP...

Its going to be a real close race if both stay healthy and finish out the year.:thumbsup:
 

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Although his technique on the field is constantly being labeled “Unorthodox”, he still gets the job done. He can hit for power or precision, steal bases, and make incredible catches. In no way is there for the ROY award a large gap between Ryan Braun and Hunter Pence.

Braun better improve his defense or hope the writers don't take a peek at his stats. He just had 2 more erorrs giving him 11 in 44 games for a .894 FP...

Its going to be a real close race if both stay healthy and finish out the year.:thumbsup:

i think pence will win the rookie of the year award. i just dont think he will have anywhere near the career that bruan will. just sorta think the astros caught some lightning in a bottle and that pence's flaws will be exposed over time. then again, he could end up like david eckstein (who has zero arm to speak off and looks like a high school shortstop out there) but he's made a good career for himself.
 
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Both guys can hit...will be a good race, lean toward Braun because he is on a pennant contender...
 

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