Not me RF. I am not a big shooter at all. I am all about heavy volume. Just can't find enough plays online as it is all copycat on there. Not sure but from what I have read there is value to be found in Vegas. I have been able to make close to 40k betting most $100-200 a play since last Sept 1st and that is all because of high volume.
Will continue to research this for at least another year or longer but the ultimate dream is to combine my offshore with Vegas numbers and give it a go for a year or so but not unless something happens to my job/company but that is hopefully well in the future.
I 100% know this works and as long as I bet in proportion to what is my total bankroll (need 200 units and bet 1 unit a play). This is why I love betting with locals as they are always a little off the Pinny numbers. The more outs, the better.
Will continue to research this for at least another year or longer but the ultimate dream is to combine my offshore with Vegas numbers and give it a go for a year or so but not unless something happens to my job/company but that is hopefully well in the future.
I 100% know this works and as long as I bet in proportion to what is my total bankroll (need 200 units and bet 1 unit a play). This is why I love betting with locals as they are always a little off the Pinny numbers. The more outs, the better.
ok i see now pal! yes i believe most do or will follow the leader,but also keep in mind just because you may see them all or most move the line it doesnt mean its a sharp move. maybe something to track down over a season. but im sure your aware of this as well.
tracking line movement can make you crazy at times-you may think our onto something and all of a sudden it will back-fire
tracking line movement can make you crazy at times-you may think our onto something and all of a sudden it will back-fire
I just want to point out that many posts of this kind seem to have a lack of consideration of the Bookmaking side of things. We have late changing Odds on one hand and a lightening quick adjustment together of all books on the other (Icemans observation) Believe it or not Books are there to take Bets so an investigation of whats going on needs to be made.
I've long said there's not the raw profit margins in Off-Shore Bookmaking by traditional means and they are no more than Traders with your money, just like brokers on the stock market, any movement is instant across the board.(Icemans and others observations) This only proves my contention or the off-shore books are one big Cartel or under one ownership.
As for betting into stale lines as you Americans put it, the vast majority of Books( certainly British and on your say so Vegas) would be queuing up for your Money. Remember their the ones with the Plus vig and not at the cutting edge, while not saying Iceman and others that their profits are false, it cannot last long term. What I will challenge is the amount of time spent waiting on these moves( while doing a full time Job) and how anyone factors in the false steamers made by Pinnacle and others in an attempt to bluff the market, which is seen countless times a day on nearly every game. :thumbsup:
I've long said there's not the raw profit margins in Off-Shore Bookmaking by traditional means and they are no more than Traders with your money, just like brokers on the stock market, any movement is instant across the board.(Icemans and others observations) This only proves my contention or the off-shore books are one big Cartel or under one ownership.
As for betting into stale lines as you Americans put it, the vast majority of Books( certainly British and on your say so Vegas) would be queuing up for your Money. Remember their the ones with the Plus vig and not at the cutting edge, while not saying Iceman and others that their profits are false, it cannot last long term. What I will challenge is the amount of time spent waiting on these moves( while doing a full time Job) and how anyone factors in the false steamers made by Pinnacle and others in an attempt to bluff the market, which is seen countless times a day on nearly every game. :thumbsup:
I think where we differ is you sound like you are defining steam plays. I am not betting steam plays (maybe in hoops). I am betting off numbers and they are not necessairily being steammed but more of what I call value plays. If a game is off by what I consider a breakeven scalp then there is where the value is. I have had no problem with any books making wagers like this (knock on wood).
If you aim for beating the closing line you will be all right (IMO), so betting late or close to game time is the best way to handle this.
Not at all trying to sound cocky but I am waiting for this to come to an end. I have had 1 (and it was barely) losing month in 10 months of doing tha. I will take that every day of the week and I am up in July around 2k betting $100-200 a game, so right on pace.
Though I am still unsure that Vegas moves in sync with the offshore even after a few responses in this thread. If they dont I think it would be an absolute goldmine.
If you aim for beating the closing line you will be all right (IMO), so betting late or close to game time is the best way to handle this.
I don't place any importance on the closing line in mlb, just getting near the apex. I pretty much bet around the clock. I don't sit in front of the computer 24/7, but I will regularly check in on the lines and my bets are spread throughout the day/night.
Just can't find enough plays online as it is all copycat on there.
Which you can exploit. What percentage of your plays come from locals? I'm very impressed with your turnover but I don't see myself getting anywhere close to that, at least not just mlb straight bets.
I don't place any importance on the closing line in mlb, just getting near the apex. I pretty much bet around the clock. I don't sit in front of the computer 24/7, but I will regularly check in on the lines and my bets are spread throughout the day/night.
Just can't find enough plays online as it is all copycat on there.
Which you can exploit. What percentage of your plays come from locals? I'm very impressed with your turnover but I don't see myself getting anywhere close to that, at least not just mlb straight bets.
For example the total in the Boston/KC game currently looks like this at Pinny:
O10.5 -121
U10.5 +111
Yo then try to find a square book that has the line set at 10.5 with -110 on both sides. You bet the over at -110. Thus, you're getting a -121 line for -110. Do this over a long period of time and win consistently.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just look for scalpable lines versus Pinny. A local can be GREAT for NFL as I have found them to bump favorites and overs.
As for basketball I like that the best as you actually the see the extra point or so come in to play alot more so it makes you feel like all the hard work is worth it.
