Cannot say I love the deal, but what I do know is that Dayton Moore knows the Braves system as well or better than the Royals system at this point. So given the fact he had a lot to do with bringing him into the Atlanta system he might know more about what he is capable of than we do. I can only hope he is correct. I don't think there were other great packages out there.
People also have to realize they had to take some sort of deal, as Dotel is a free agent and they can bring him back then if they want.
Also hoping there is a little more involved in the package as was projected to be the case yesterday.
People also have to realize they had to take some sort of deal, as Dotel is a free agent and they can bring him back then if they want.
Also hoping there is a little more involved in the package as was projected to be the case yesterday.
I can give the Braves perspective here ... Davies has the potential to be great. Yes he has performed very poorly in the past couple of years, but he has had flashes of brilliance. He was at one point the Braves' highest-rated pitching prospect, and don't forget he's only 23.
His stuff is great. I can saw without hesitation he has the best stuff in the Braves organization, including the majors, with the exception of Smoltz (and Hudson, but only for his splitter/sinker). ++ curve, ++ changeup, + fastball, and a serviceable slider. He has had some mental problems...he gets flustered easily and has a tendency to give up runs in the first inning, then fall apart. But when he calms down and doesn't nitpick at the plate, his stuff is right up there with the best of them.
If Dayton can get his mind right, he could be special for sure.
His stuff is great. I can saw without hesitation he has the best stuff in the Braves organization, including the majors, with the exception of Smoltz (and Hudson, but only for his splitter/sinker). ++ curve, ++ changeup, + fastball, and a serviceable slider. He has had some mental problems...he gets flustered easily and has a tendency to give up runs in the first inning, then fall apart. But when he calms down and doesn't nitpick at the plate, his stuff is right up there with the best of them.
If Dayton can get his mind right, he could be special for sure.
Can you give some useful commentary on Davies, since you seem to act like you know something about it. Posts like this do nobody any good. My belief is that it is easy to bash the Royals as they have sucked for so long, and many do without having any clue as to what is going on.
All I know, is he has pretty good location on his low 90's fastball, a plus slider and a plus changeup. And he is only 23 years old. Sounds like a good combination to me. Biggest knock is inability to avoid big inning, as is the case with many young pitchers. This for a injury prone closer that was going to opt out anyway doesn't sound bad. Moore doing one thing I love. Trying to stockpile young starting pitching. He knows the only way you can win in a small market is to hit on some.
His stuff is great. I can saw without hesitation he has the best stuff in the Braves organization, including the majors, with the exception of Smoltz (and Hudson, but only for his splitter/sinker). ++ curve, ++ changeup, + fastball, and a serviceable slider. He has had some mental problems...he gets flustered easily and has a tendency to give up runs in the first inning, then fall apart. But when he calms down and doesn't nitpick at the plate, his stuff is right up there with the best of them.
sounds like kip wells.
sounds like kip wells.
3 years from now you will be happy about this trade.
He has all the tools to be a 18 to 20 game winner. The problem he has is he tries to pitch too perfectly sometimes.
He also over throws his fastball. He can bring it at 92 to 93, but the ball is too straight when he throws that hard. He does not get the sinking action that he needs at that speed. Is correct speed should be in 89 to 91 range. He tends to try to be Randy Johnson and gets tagged sometimes.
These are all things he will learn to control in time. You got yourself a good pitcher for an over the hill closer that will be out of the league in 2 or 3 years.
I think you're a bit too fatalistic Chop. Not to mention, you put too much weight in tools. Tools aren't enough!
I'm not saying Davies (or Andrus, from the other thread) won't develop into a complete player, but there are so many guys who are toolsy as hell and end up as nothing. Just look at Andy Marte, and all the chicken little people who came screaming when we traded him...
I'm not saying Davies (or Andrus, from the other thread) won't develop into a complete player, but there are so many guys who are toolsy as hell and end up as nothing. Just look at Andy Marte, and all the chicken little people who came screaming when we traded him...
Dotel is an FA, will be 34 to start next year and came off major arm problems the last two seasons. While it may not be an apples to apples trade, the Royals would have made out well if they got a dozen baseballs for him.
He, like Gagne, signed one year deals with poor teams to show contenders that they are healthy and durable in the hopes of landing one more big contract at the end of this season. He wasn't resigning with KC, so anything is good.
That said, I feel for Royals fans (and RoyalFan). Has to blow to support a team that is essentially a AAAA team for the rest of the league. They have, however, made some nice strides this year and can hopefully (for the good of baseball) retain some of their younger players and at least play competitive ball.
Davies was not going to pitch for Bobby again and Dotel can help immediately. He had so many chances with Atlanta. He has pulled great games out of his ass though, but that's what guys with talent do. Unfortunately the meddle of a player is judged by consistent performance. When Davies is not on he is absolutely painful to watch. He doesn't throw strikes and leaves everything up. He could end up great for KC, no one really knows with prospects. Fortunately for the Braves, the draft will in fact come around again and there are still some guys with good stuff down in the minors.
