Babe Ruth is without a doubt the best baseball player ever ( 2007 thread)

Bet-It-All · Aug 5, 2007

Even though Bonds will have the HR record there is no doubt Babe Ruth was the best baseball player of all time. When Babe had 60 HR's the next guy had 19 Home Runs. Imagine that, Hitting 4x as many HR's as the next guy below him. When Babe Ruth played there a home run was rare now players slugg home runs out every at bat like its nothing. Bonds will end his Career with 10,000 ABs. Ruth only had 8400, 1600 Fewer imagine if Ruth had another 1,600 ABs in this ERA. He might have had 900 Home Runs. When Ruth played players also didn't train like they do now if Ruth had the same kind of strength coaching forget about it. Also if you look at his Career batting Avg. its 343. Thats unheard of. When Babe hit 60 Home Runs he batted .393. When McGwire hit 70 he batted .299. Not only was a he the best hitter ever but he was a damn good pitcher. 94-46 thats damn good winning %. Plus an ERA of 2.28. Ruth played in an Era where the HR was not like it is today, he had fewer at bats, and didn't have the same strength coaching they have today. Pitching was better or atleast teams scored less runs and hit less home runs. Ruth did have the easy Right field HR in Yankee Stadium but the rest of the park was a nightmare. 462 to center. The other 70 something games he played on the road each season's ball park couldnt be much easier.

smoney101 · Aug 5, 2007

i wish i could have lived during his era to really feel how great he was...

primetime21+ · Aug 5, 2007

No one who understands the game would argue with you. Those that do argue don't get the differences between todays game and the game 80 years ago.

They also love to bring up the lack of black players back in the 20's. Well if they open their eyes they would see that there aren't many black players nowadays and there certainly aren't any black pitchers of note these days.

Homie · Aug 5, 2007

So the best baseball player ever was an overweight athlete? That to me says alot about the sport of baseball.

lander · Aug 5, 2007

I was listening to John Sterling on Yankee radio the other day making a case for Babe Ruth. Sterling said that Babe hit more HRs one year than any other TEAM. I couldn't even fathom watching an althete in any sport be that dominant. On top of that, he was a dominant pitcher ... probably could have been an all time great on his pitching abilities alone if he wanted to.

wilheim · Aug 5, 2007

So the best baseball player ever was an overweight athlete? That to me says alot about the sport of baseball

Babe wasn't always the overweight buffoon he is sometime portayed as during his whole career. He was a fabulous athelete who put baseball on the map to stay despite of all the shit they have done since to try to ruin the game.

A lean and fit Babe Ruth slugs a homer at Yankee stadium in the early 1920's.

During the decades of 1910 thru the end of the Roaring Twenties Babe was never overweight. As a Yankees outfielder in the thirties he grew his trademark pot belly but he could still play baseball like no one else.

Boston Red Sox Ace Lefthander Babe Ruth warms up before a game in 1915.

As a pitcher for the Red Sox from 1914 thru 1919 (when he was traded to The Yanks) Babe went 94 and 46 in 148 career starts and retired with a career ERA of 2.24. He also recorded an amazing 107 complete games out of the 148 career starts, (he won 5 of them games as a Yankee in the very rare times they let him pitch, he was 5-0 as Yank when he pitched for them during his career).

In three World Series starts for the Red Sox he went 27 innings without giving up a run, a record that stood for over 40 years. Babe recorded a world series ERA of 0.87 while winning all 3 starts allowing 3 runs in 31 innings pitched, allowing only 19 hits in the 31 innings..

Babe Ruth was something that even I an oldtimer cannot comprehend as an athelete.

wil.

gtc08 · Aug 5, 2007

how do we know ruth didn't take something that wasn't introduced to the public years later. steroids were introduced in the 30's, ruth could've easily gotten his hands on them before anyone else could. plus his numbers are so drastically better then everyone else.

wilheim · Aug 5, 2007

how do we know ruth didn't take something that wasn't introduced to the public years later. steroids were introduced in the 30's, ruth could've easily gotten his hands on them before anyone else could. plus his numbers are so drastically better then everyone else.

For the record Babe Ruth did most of his record setting during the two decades before the 1930's. He was born on February 6th 1895 which even the most addament conspiracy theorist has to admit was during the pre Balco era. He hit his long standing record of 60 homers in 154 games in 1927, he hit 59 homers in 1921 when people were still dieing from the flu, nevermind beefing up on steroids.

wil.

gtc08 · Aug 5, 2007

There's other things he could've taken. Cheating is in the heart of baseball, that's why I laugh when people want to only asterisk Bonds record. You guys do know that the first 300 game winner Pud Galvin injected testosterone, which is a steroid hormone, and that was in 1889.

wilheim · Aug 5, 2007

Gtc08 you are right about Pud - I guess it's true you learn somthing new everyday..

In that case I say Pud Galvin should have an asterisk placed next to all of his records in the Baseball Encyclopedia. Actually when you think about it, if steroids were available to Pud in the 1880s then they were available to just about everyone except Abner Doubleday and every record in the books (save Reggie Jackson's untouchable strikeout records) should be asterisked.

The father of steroids in Baseball the late Pud Galvin:

Pud who died in 1902 at the age of 48 was according to The Baseball Reference.com
" The greatest pitcher you’ve (probably) never heard of. Pud Galvin was baseball's first 300-game winner, the first pitcher to throw a no-hitter on the road, and the pioneer of steroids in baseball".

Pud went a phenomanal 46 and 22 for the Buffalo Bisons in 1884 when he started 72 games and finished all of them but 1. The Bisons went 64 and 47 that year, finishing 3rd in the National League. Pud even played 1 game in leftfield that year. Alas even being the father of steroids in baseball Pud was only able to hit 5 homers in 2748 career at bats. His best year was 1887 when he went yard twice in 193 trips to the plate.

Note: Had Pud been born a few years earlier around 1850 he would have been called up by the state of Missouri militia to fight for the south in the civil war. That probably would have set back the use of steroids until the 1890s at least.

wil.

soli · Aug 5, 2007

primetime21 said:
No one who understands the game would argue with you. Those that do argue don't get the differences between todays game and the game 80 years ago.

They also love to bring up the lack of black players back in the 20's. Well if they open their eyes they would see that there aren't many black players nowadays and there certainly aren't any black pitchers of note these days.

Well...you say nowadays...That even makes this theory even greater. Today we have Athletes of many races from all over the WORLD, not just a selected few. I'm not knockin Ruth but..Hispanics, Asians and Blacks made MLB much stronger than the league it was back then in Ruth era. Look at the of the league stats and you see the top tier are spreaded out amongst races. MLB is now the World best players now and not just USA top white baseball players. Some of you may want to argue with this but I really wouldn't understand any logic.

EasyMoney · Aug 5, 2007

I personally don't think you can compare different era's like that. The game was just so different. Not only did you have only white players, you had 4 man rotations. No middle relievers, set up guys, closers, nothing. If you started the game you finished the game.

billhill999 · Aug 5, 2007

Dsethi said:
yes it also says that you're a vagina head. Try hitting a curveball. You'd shit your pants and then wade in your own feces because you suck at everything sports-related.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

:missingte
Yeah, I was a backup catcher and DH in school, I was called on to pinch hit late in a 2-2 game.
We were playing out arch rivals, brother by the name of Jonathan Brown was pitching to me, 1-2 pitch he throws me the most filthy Uncle Charlie I ever saw in my life.
My knees were like butterscotch jello, called out looking.
I get back to the bench, head coach says to me "You made this team because of your hitting............."
I said to him, "here, take this bat, you hit his yakker"
If I could hit a curve ball, I wouldn't be doing this for a living.

Until A-Rod, Barroids, Ichiro, Junior etc, etc, etc, etc, throw complete game shutouts and hit homeruns, Ruth was and always will be the greatest baseball player ever.

lander · Aug 5, 2007

"Pud went a phenomanal 46 and 22 for the Buffalo Bisons "

WTF? As if being the choke capital and having the "honor" of listing OJ as our best althete isn't enough ... now we're the steroid city. Thanks for the salt Wil.

WorldNumberOne · Aug 5, 2007

Was Ruth really that good , or was everybody else really bad ???

Think about that for awhile....

Journeyman · Aug 5, 2007

I think John Kruk would have been another Babe Ruth had he been born in 1895...WNO you probably could have been Hugh Duffy if you were born back then...Lander- Walter Johnson.

Face it they were all just a bunch of regular Joe's , not!

WorldNumberOne · Aug 5, 2007

Journeyman said:
I think John Kruk would have been another Babe Ruth had he been born in 1895...WNO you probably could have been Hugh Duffy if you were born back then...Lander- Walter Johnson.

Face it they were all just a bunch of regular Joe's , not!

i would have been more like shoeless joe.... or ty cobb...

soli · Aug 5, 2007

LOL...let a Carpenter, Plumber or Janitor go out and pitch a game in the Major League with today's players and you would see several guys batting over .400 with 80 hrs and 180 rbi's. Yall really gotta be kidding me right? I know everybody got their personal hero's but come on...you can lie to yourself and maybe a few family members but the folks with common sense should be able to figure this out. Again, I'm not knocking Ruth but it's much more better athletes in todays MLB with out a doubt. Ruth was the man in his era.

paftraft · Aug 5, 2007

Bet-It-All said:
Even though Bonds will have the HR record there is no doubt Babe Ruth was the best baseball player of all time. When Babe had 60 HR's the next guy had 19 Home Runs. Imagine that, Hitting 4x as many HR's as the next guy below him. When Babe Ruth played there a home run was rare now players slugg home runs out every at bat like its nothing. Bonds will end his Career with 10,000 ABs. Ruth only had 8400, 1600 Fewer imagine if Ruth had another 1,600 ABs in this ERA. He might have had 900 Home Runs. When Ruth played players also didn't train like they do now if Ruth had the same kind of strength coaching forget about it. Also if you look at his Career batting Avg. its 343. Thats unheard of. When Babe hit 60 Home Runs he batted .393. When McGwire hit 70 he batted .299. Not only was a he the best hitter ever but he was a damn good pitcher. 94-46 thats damn good winning %. Plus an ERA of 2.28. Ruth played in an Era where the HR was not like it is today, he had fewer at bats, and didn't have the same strength coaching they have today. Pitching was better or atleast teams scored less runs and hit less home runs. Ruth did have the easy Right field HR in Yankee Stadium but the rest of the park was a nightmare. 462 to center. The other 70 something games he played on the road each season's ball park couldnt be much easier.

Without a doubt Ruth was the greatest, but lets not embellish the facts.
1. When Ruth hit 60 the next guy was gehrig who hit 47 not 19
2. When Ruth hit 60 he batted .356 not .393

RupertPupkin · Aug 5, 2007

paftraft said:
Without a doubt Ruth was the greatest, but lets not embellish the facts.
1. When Ruth hit 60 the next guy was gehrig who hit 47 not 19
2. When Ruth hit 60 he batted .356 not .393

And when Ruth cut a fart in the dug out he cleared out the whole bench
( not just the people to his left and right )

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