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jesus h christ - who are those guys. guy called my re-raise (with flopped two pair) all in over top of him with a gut shot straight draw and i get screwed on runner runner. luckily i tilted and moved up to the 10/20 table where there are bigger idiots and won it back + more

PokerStars Game #11366567069: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2007/08/07 - 20:25:16 (ET)
Table 'Messalina II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tonoavail ($2784.90 in chips)
Seat 2: SOCAL ($955.40 in chips)
Seat 3: mearse ($1019.75 in chips)
Seat 4: JeffBoston ($1014.85 in chips)
Seat 5: MT UR Wallet ($1203 in chips)
Seat 6: Gujral ($970 in chips)
MT UR Wallet: posts small blind $5
Gujral: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SOCAL [Jd Ks]
tonoavail: folds
SOCAL: calls $10
mearse: calls $10
JeffBoston: folds
MT UR Wallet: raises $60 to $70
Gujral: folds
SOCAL: calls $60
mearse: calls $60
*** FLOP *** [6h Jh Kc]
MT UR Wallet: bets $180
SOCAL: raises $705.40 to $885.40 and is all-in
mearse: folds
MT UR Wallet: calls $705.40
*** TURN *** [6h Jh Kc] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [6h Jh Kc 6d] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MT UR Wallet: shows [Th Ah] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
SOCAL: mucks hand
MT UR Wallet collected $1987.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1990.80 | Rake $3
Board [6h Jh Kc 6d Ad]
Seat 1: tonoavail folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SOCAL mucked [Jd Ks]
Seat 3: mearse folded on the Flop
Seat 4: JeffBoston (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MT UR Wallet (small blind) showed [Th Ah] and won ($1987.80) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 6: Gujral (big blind) folded before Flop

These are limits I can't even really dream of playing....why such a large raise?

that beat was sick....i'd love to see the hand w/ the idiots you took down in 10/20 NL

Yes, he could have made the same bet with a set and flush drw on the board... but I watched this guy play for hours. I put him on a drw... who knew it was such a BAD drw... (gut shot)... but it's ok.. here's another hand diff table..

what you don't see in any of these hands, is a critical pause before betting. you gotta play with these guys awhile before you figure them out. thank god for online NOTES... if you don't take 'em, better start.



PokerStars Game #11364060637: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/08/07 - 17:59:53 (ET)
Table 'Cepheus V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Trainer BVV ($621.20 in chips)
Seat 3: bosman750 ($1418.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Emmoyouesee ($2000 in chips)
Seat 5: SOCAL ($788 in chips)
Seat 6: Festivuss ($2365 in chips)
Trainer BVV: posts small blind $10
bosman750: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SOCAL [As Kd]
Emmoyouesee: raises $50 to $70
SOCAL: calls $70
Festivuss: folds
Trainer BVV: folds
bosman750: folds
*** FLOP *** [4h Ad Jh]
Emmoyouesee: bets $120
SOCAL: raises $280 to $400
Emmoyouesee: raises $420 to $820
SOCAL: calls $318 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4h Ad Jh] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [4h Ad Jh Ts] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Emmoyouesee: shows [Kh Ks] (a pair of Kings)
SOCAL: shows [As Kd] (a pair of Aces)
SOCAL collected $1604 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1606 | Rake $2
Board [4h Ad Jh Ts 7c]
Seat 2: Trainer BVV (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: bosman750 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Emmoyouesee showed [Kh Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: SOCAL showed [As Kd] and won ($1604) with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Festivuss (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

SoCal said:

jesus h christ - who are those guys. guy called my re-raise (with flopped two pair) all in over top of him with a gut shot straight draw and i get screwed on runner runner. luckily i tilted and moved up to the 10/20 table where there are bigger idiots and won it back + more

PokerStars Game #11366567069: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2007/08/07 - 20:25:16 (ET)
Table 'Messalina II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tonoavail ($2784.90 in chips)
Seat 2: SOCAL ($955.40 in chips)
Seat 3: mearse ($1019.75 in chips)
Seat 4: JeffBoston ($1014.85 in chips)
Seat 5: MT UR Wallet ($1203 in chips)
Seat 6: Gujral ($970 in chips)
MT UR Wallet: posts small blind $5
Gujral: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SOCAL [Jd Ks]
tonoavail: folds
SOCAL: calls $10
mearse: calls $10
JeffBoston: folds
MT UR Wallet: raises $60 to $70
Gujral: folds
SOCAL: calls $60
mearse: calls $60
*** FLOP *** [6h Jh Kc]
MT UR Wallet: bets $180
SOCAL: raises $705.40 to $885.40 and is all-in
mearse: folds
MT UR Wallet: calls $705.40
*** TURN *** [6h Jh Kc] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [6h Jh Kc 6d] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MT UR Wallet: shows [Th Ah] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
SOCAL: mucks hand
MT UR Wallet collected $1987.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1990.80 | Rake $3
Board [6h Jh Kc 6d Ad]
Seat 1: tonoavail folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SOCAL mucked [Jd Ks]
Seat 3: mearse folded on the Flop
Seat 4: JeffBoston (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MT UR Wallet (small blind) showed [Th Ah] and won ($1987.80) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 6: Gujral (big blind) folded before Flop

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Looks like he also had the nut flush draw, all the chips are going in the middle there.

I couldn't bare the thought of any callers.... If I let them in this next one, you KNOW an ACE comes ...


PokerStars Game #11369685757: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/08/07 - 23:25:43 (ET)
Table 'Natascha' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JeffBoston ($1970 in chips)
Seat 2: Gus97 ($2238.50 in chips)
Seat 3: QuickStilz ($4452 in chips)
Seat 4: skier_5 ($2652 in chips)
Seat 5: SOCAL ($1966.65 in chips)
Seat 6: tjbentham ($2607 in chips)
Gus97: posts small blind $10
QuickStilz: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SOCAL [Kd Ks]
skier_5: folds
SOCAL: calls $20
tjbentham: raises $60 to $80
JeffBoston: folds
Gus97: calls $70
QuickStilz: raises $265 to $345
SOCAL: raises $1621.65 to $1966.65 and is all-in
tjbentham: folds
Gus97: folds
QuickStilz: folds
SOCAL collected $850 from pot
SOCAL: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $850 | Rake $0
Seat 1: JeffBoston (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Gus97 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: QuickStilz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: skier_5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SOCAL collected ($850)
Seat 6: tjbentham folded before Flop

ya dude - he had nut flush draw on first hand... and you raised too much anyways.....

plus the 2nd hand why push over 8X his raise with KK, thats just dumb.

flat call, let flop come 8 high and him push with JJ

"ya dude - he had nut flush draw on first hand... and you raised too much anyways.....

plus the 2nd hand why push over 8X his raise with KK, thats just dumb.

flat call, let flop come 8 high and him push with JJ"
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the first hand may seem questionable.. but i had been playing with that guy for hours and I felt i had good odds to clean him out.

as for the KK re-raise... yes, i went way over top because you have no idea how hard it is see a flop at that level. I'm admittedly playing above my comfort because those guys are pushing $100 preflop to steal blinds when they sense limpers.. in retro, my better move would been a raise to 1k and try to entice one caller. truth is.. those punks are HARD core bankrollers. they reload to 2k non stop. this next hand is a bit more strategic. again, the critical online ..........pauses....... are huge

PokerStars Game #11370811195: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2007/08/08 - 00:43:30 (ET)
Table 'Alfaterna II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: plghh ($1064.20 in chips)
Seat 2: dragonfly666 ($553.50 in chips)
Seat 3: chiefs2458 ($1078 in chips)
Seat 4: -GeT Loo$e- ($990 in chips)
Seat 5: SOCAL ($948.25 in chips)
Seat 6: straate ($4866.25 in chips)
-GeT Loo$e-: posts small blind $5
SOCAL: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SOCAL [Kh 8h]
straate: folds
plghh: folds
dragonfly666: raises $40 to $50
chiefs2458: folds
-GeT Loo$e-: folds
SOCAL: calls $40
*** FLOP *** [4d 8c Ks]
SOCAL: checks
dragonfly666: bets $60
SOCAL: calls $60
*** TURN *** [4d 8c Ks] [Ts]
SOCAL: checks
dragonfly666: bets $130
SOCAL: raises $708.25 to $838.25 and is all-in
dragonfly666: calls $313.50 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4d 8c Ks Ts] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SOCAL: shows [Kh 8h] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
dragonfly666: mucks hand
SOCAL collected $1109 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1112 | Rake $3
Board [4d 8c Ks Ts 6d]
Seat 1: plghh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: dragonfly666 mucked [Kc Qc]
Seat 3: chiefs2458 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: -GeT Loo$e- (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: SOCAL (big blind) showed [Kh 8h] and won ($1109) with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 6: straate folded before Flop (didn't bet)

These are nice ...

PokerStars Game #11371670585: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2007/08/08 - 01:58:41 (ET)
Table 'Atalante III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MT UR Wallet ($1182.50 in chips)
Seat 2: SOCAL ($635 in chips)
Seat 3: FunkiMunki ($1362 in chips)
Seat 4: straate ($1017 in chips)
Seat 5: brimoney ($1228.80 in chips)
Seat 6: tonoavail ($922 in chips)
brimoney: posts small blind $5
tonoavail: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CrossRoads37 [As Ks]
MT UR Wallet: folds
SOCAL: raises $30 to $40
FunkiMunki: folds
straate: calls $40
brimoney: folds
tonoavail: raises $190 to $230
SOCAL: calls $190
straate: folds
*** FLOP *** [4h 9c Kc]
tonoavail: checks
SOCAL: bets $405 and is all-in
tonoavail: calls $405
*** TURN *** [4h 9c Kc] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [4h 9c Kc 8h] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tonoavail: shows [Kd Jh] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
SOCAL: shows [As Ks] (two pair, Kings and Eights - Ace kicker)
SOCAL collected $1312 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1315 | Rake $3
Board [4h 9c Kc 8h 8d]
Seat 1: MT UR Wallet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SOCAL showed [As Ks] and won ($1312) with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 3: FunkiMunki folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: straate (button) folded before Flop
Seat 5: brimoney (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: tonoavail (big blind) showed [Kd Jh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Eights
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a nudder ... moments later - got the bastard back from the first hand if you look closely

PokerStars Game #11371749287: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2007/08/08 - 02:07:01 (ET)
Table 'Atalante III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: MT UR Wallet ($1206 in chips)
Seat 2: SOCAL ($1706.50 in chips)
Seat 3: FunkiMunki ($985 in chips)
Seat 4: -GeT Loo$e- ($1666.80 in chips)
Seat 5: brimoney ($1133.80 in chips)
Seat 6: tonoavail ($1580 in chips)
-GeT Loo$e-: posts small blind $5
brimoney: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SOCAL [Qs Qc]
tonoavail: folds
MT UR Wallet: raises $30 to $40
SOCAL: calls $40
FunkiMunki: folds
-GeT Loo$e-: folds
brimoney: folds
*** FLOP *** [Js 2h 3d]
MT UR Wallet: bets $60
SOCAL: raises $60 to $120
MT UR Wallet: calls $60
*** TURN *** [Js 2h 3d] [Qh]
MT UR Wallet: checks
SOCAL: bets $100
MT UR Wallet: calls $100
*** RIVER *** [Js 2h 3d Qh] [7h]
MT UR Wallet: bets $290
SOCAL: calls $290
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MT UR Wallet: shows [8d 8s] (a pair of Eights)
SOCAL: shows [Qs Qc] (three of a kind, Queens)
SOCAL collected $1112 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1115 | Rake $3
Board [Js 2h 3d Qh 7h]
Seat 1: MT UR Wallet showed [8d 8s] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: SOCAL showed [Qs Qc] and won ($1112) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 3: FunkiMunki (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: -GeT Loo$e- (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: brimoney (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: tonoavail folded before Flop (didn't bet)

just curious... why no raise on the final QQQ hand?????

only thing beating you is running flush (which was doubtful)

you probaly wouldnt have gotten paid off anyways - but maybe a minraise he stupidly pays off.

i totally understand some of your plays - i used to play 5/10 for about 2 years and it was at the top of my comfort level as well.

keep playing well but be careful, if you have to much worth risking at the table it can kill you b/c you cant make bluffs, etc.. and people pick up on it.

i played at a smaller site and i would see guys move from 1/2 and 2/4 to 5/10 and knew 1000-2000 was a big portion of their bankroll and I could bet them off hands with huge bets, knowing theyd only call with huge hands bc they were afraid - and i was the same way at one point

good luck

on that first hand, he had the nit straight draw, nut flush draw, and an overcard. If he is playing with a proper bankroll for those limits, his chips are going in the middle. A more appropriate play would be to call his raise, and then push on the turn, where he would have a much greater fold equity.

theDude24 said:

just curious... why no raise on the final QQQ hand?????

only thing beating you is running flush (which was doubtful)

you probaly wouldnt have gotten paid off anyways - but maybe a minraise he stupidly pays off.

i totally understand some of your plays - i used to play 5/10 for about 2 years and it was at the top of my comfort level as well.

keep playing well but be careful, if you have to much worth risking at the table it can kill you b/c you cant make bluffs, etc.. and people pick up on it.

i played at a smaller site and i would see guys move from 1/2 and 2/4 to 5/10 and knew 1000-2000 was a big portion of their bankroll and I could bet them off hands with huge bets, knowing theyd only call with huge hands bc they were afraid - and i was the same way at one point

good luck

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I did raise the QQQ turn card but only for a hundred. The reason is this... these guys are primarily betting to steal on perceived weakness. I was luring him to bet over top of me which works very very well at that lvl of play. i wasn't happy to see the flush come, but it was runner runner and that's the price I pay with my particular strategies. it may look really dumb, but it is the gambler in me. That move can often get a big stack to over bet right there and I have awesome odds pushing him all in

you'll notice in the KK hand I was first to act and I purposely bet minimum knowing full well it was the kind of bet they love to gobble up. sure enough, a raise , a call, and then a beautiful re-raise. The re-raise was definetley a PP and I just couldn't bare thinking of losing that hand. I was on a down trend and I needed the chips and I wouldn't have been surprised to get a call there. If he called the all-in... so be it and I'll feel ok if he gets his card. Those guys are hard core gamblers and might call with 10/10 just cause they want to.

as for being careful.. well.. good advice. I am pretty much safe from going bust at this point though b/c I am buying into the tables half stacked and building from there.

here's the true beauty though. my original deposit? $600 I got it up over 2k playing $3/$6 and just dabbled into $5/$10. I'm sitting right now about 5k, and I am just having fun playing tournys and back down to $3/$6 so I don't have a fcking heart attack.

Mopisgood said:

on that first hand, he had the nit straight draw, nut flush draw, and an overcard. If he is playing with a proper bankroll for those limits, his chips are going in the middle. A more appropriate play would be to call his raise, and then push on the turn, where he would have a much greater fold equity.

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makes sense. good insight. for him to call a big bet after the turn is a bit tougher than calling with 2 cards to go to get his hand. I am sure I saw the flush draw though i don't state that in my post. I saw the rvr and actually thought I had still won the hand. When the chips swept away I think I deprogrammed a bit while I tried to figure out what the hell happened. I vented on here and missed a critical piece of his hand in the review with the flush. believe me I am very aware of a flush drw on any hand.. in fact, i love playing any two suited cards on occassion just to mix it up. when they catch, its like superman stopping a freight train and the payoff is nice