Uncle Steve - Need clarification here I think your wrong.

HERE2WIN2DAY · Aug 24, 2007

Hello Uncle Steve,

I am a new poster but not here to bash you or anyone. I just wanted to clarify a few things that I noticed on your post from last night. I have highlighted these fields in bold. Of course you do not have to answer but I am just curious why it is done this way. Nevertheless, we all appreciate your feedback and capping skills here.

THURSDAY MLB selections recap:

YTD W-L 460-357-9
YTD +$21,645.03
YTD +216.45 units

I didn't like many of the games today, and the BOS/CWS game really thru a kink into the evening. Rain = postponed, yawn.

5* BOS -195 - no action -postponed-rain
4* STL -169 = LOSS -676
3* SEA -135 = WIN +300
3* WASH +1.5 -190 = WIN +300
2* WASH +107 = WIN +214
2* BOS -1.5 -125 -no action -postponed-rain
2* SEA - 1.5 +115 = WIN +230
2* STL -1.5 +120 = LOSS -200

3* 2-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -195
STL -169

2* 3-TEAM PARLAY = LOSS -200
STL -169 L
SEA -135 W
TOR +1.5 -155 W

4* 2-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
SEA -135
BOS -195

2* 3-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -1.5 -125
STL -1.5 +120
SEA -1.5 +115

2* 5-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -195
STL -169
SEA -135
WASH +1.5 -190
TOR +1.5 -155
-------------------------
W-L 4-3
W +$1044.00
L - $1076.00
-----------------
T -$ 32.00

YTD W-L 464-360-9
YTD +$21,613.03

FRIDAY picks coming today in next post. BOSOX playing early make-up game, CWS switched pitchers going with Garland instead of Danks, who I would have prefered against Beckett. <GAME ? point this at me with fat big a remains>

Will post 30 minutes before evening games tonight. IF the early Bosox game is a play, I'll put it up 30 min early this afternoon or around noon CST. Need to really look at that, PP games played the next day, can be a carnival ride.

Best to all,

Uncle Steve

Uncle Steve,

How is it that you list the following:
4* STL -169 = LOSS -676 - How can this be a loss of -$676 is you only risked $400.00 or 4 Units?
3* SEA -135 = WIN +300 - How can you list a win of $300.00 when the odds are -135? You risked $300.00 not to win even money but odds of -135 .....
3* WASH +1.5 -190 = WIN +300 - How can you list a win of $300.00 when the odds are -190? You risked $300.00 not to win even money by at -190.....

In addition to your parlays below
3* 2-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -195
STL -169
4* 2-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
SEA -135
BOS -195
2* 3-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -1.5 -125
STL -1.5 +120
SEA -1.5 +115
2* 5-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -195
STL -169
SEA -135
WASH +1.5 -190
TOR +1.5 -155

Which book offers a initial refund if one of the games is a no action? I thought on a parlay if one game is a no action, the parlay is treated at the odds of one team lower?

As shown above, I think you are calculating your wins/totals incorrectly. Of course I am new and could be totally wrong, but can you please verify? Like I mentioned I am not bashing you, you do a wonderful job here, just wanted to see if I personally am missing something here.

Keep up the great work!

Degz · Aug 24, 2007

HERE2WIN2DAY said:
Hello Uncle Steve,

I am a new poster but not here to bash you or anyone. I just wanted to clarify a few things that I noticed on your post from last night. I have highlighted these fields in bold. Of course you do not have to answer but I am just curious why it is done this way. Nevertheless, we all appreciate your feedback and capping skills here.

THURSDAY MLB selections recap:

YTD W-L 460-357-9
YTD +$21,645.03
YTD +216.45 units

I didn't like many of the games today, and the BOS/CWS game really thru a kink into the evening. Rain = postponed, yawn.

5* BOS -195 - no action -postponed-rain
4* STL -169 = LOSS -676
3* SEA -135 = WIN +300
3* WASH +1.5 -190 = WIN +300
2* WASH +107 = WIN +214
2* BOS -1.5 -125 -no action -postponed-rain
2* SEA - 1.5 +115 = WIN +230
2* STL -1.5 +120 = LOSS -200

3* 2-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -195
STL -169

2* 3-TEAM PARLAY = LOSS -200
STL -169 L
SEA -135 W
TOR +1.5 -155 W

4* 2-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
SEA -135
BOS -195

2* 3-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -1.5 -125
STL -1.5 +120
SEA -1.5 +115

2* 5-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -195
STL -169
SEA -135
WASH +1.5 -190
TOR +1.5 -155
-------------------------
W-L 4-3
W +$1044.00
L - $1076.00
-----------------
T -$ 32.00

YTD W-L 464-360-9
YTD +$21,613.03

FRIDAY picks coming today in next post. BOSOX playing early make-up game, CWS switched pitchers going with Garland instead of Danks, who I would have prefered against Beckett. <game ?="" point="" this="" at="" me="" with="" fat="" big="" a="" remains="">

Will post 30 minutes before evening games tonight. IF the early Bosox game is a play, I'll put it up 30 min early this afternoon or around noon CST. Need to really look at that, PP games played the next day, can be a carnival ride.

Best to all,

Uncle Steve

Uncle Steve,

How is it that you list the following:
4* STL -169 = LOSS -676 - How can this be a loss of -$676 is you only risked $400.00 or 4 Units?
3* SEA -135 = WIN +300 - How can you list a win of $300.00 when the odds are -135? You risked $300.00 not to win even money but odds of -135 .....
3* WASH +1.5 -190 = WIN +300 - How can you list a win of $300.00 when the odds are -190? You risked $300.00 not to win even money by at -190.....

In addition to your parlays below
3* 2-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -195
STL -169
4* 2-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
SEA -135
BOS -195
2* 3-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -1.5 -125
STL -1.5 +120
SEA -1.5 +115
2* 5-TEAM PARLAY - no action prop -postponed-rain (BOSOX)
BOS -195
STL -169
SEA -135
WASH +1.5 -190
TOR +1.5 -155

Which book offers a initial refund if one of the games is a no action? I thought on a parlay if one game is a no action, the parlay is treated at the odds of one team lower?

As shown above, I think you are calculating your wins/totals incorrectly. Of course I am new and could be totally wrong, but can you please verify? Like I mentioned I am not bashing you, you do a wonderful job here, just wanted to see if I personally am missing something here.

Keep up the great work!

Uncle steve is right on the 3 * (-135) picks my man. That means you are risking $135.00 to win $100.00. SO he is right on those. As for the parlays I believe you are correct and Uncle Steve just missed something. As for the (-169) play you take 169 times 4 and that I assume equals what Uncle Steve calculated. So Uncle Steve right on 2 and you my friend right on 1. Hope this clarified.
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Hal01 · Aug 24, 2007

Degz said:
As for the parlays I believe you are correct and Uncle Steve just missed something.</GAME>

Surprising that after reviewing ones Sportsbook account that one could make a mistake such as this. Interesting.:think2:

HERE2WIN2DAY · Aug 24, 2007

No I think I am still right...

Degz said:
Uncle steve is right on the 3 * (-135) picks my man. That means you are risking $135.00 to win $100.00. SO he is right on those. As for the parlays I believe you are correct and Uncle Steve just missed something. As for the (-169) play you take 169 times 4 and that I assume equals what Uncle Steve calculated. So Uncle Steve right on 2 and you my friend right on 1. Hope this clarified.
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He Degz,
Uncle steve is right on the 3 * (-135) picks my man. That means you are risking $135.00 to win $100.00. - I think you are wrong on this. It states it is a 3 unit play. Which means he is risking 3 Units at the odds of -135.

As for the (-169) play you take 169 times 4 and that I assume equals what Uncle Steve calculated. - I think you are wrong on this as well. He risked 4 Units at odds of -169. His loss should only be what he risked which is 4 units.

To verify that you are wrong look at his other picks that he won.
2* SEA - 1.5 +115 = WIN +230 - Based on your reason, that means that he didnt risk two units at odds of +115. According to you since the 2 represents what he was trying to win then he would have risked less than 2 units to win. He states win of $230.00 which means his 2 was = to $200.00 at odds of +115 = $230.00

2* STL -1.5 +120 = LOSS -200 - He listed a loss of $200.00 here. If he tried to make 2 units or $200.00 profit at + odds then he wouldnt have risked even money to loss $200.00

Do you see what I am referring to??

That is why I need the clarification. I think he is calculating incorrectly.

Murphy8276 · Aug 24, 2007

since when are parlays rained out and cancelled??? LOL what a joke.

Murphy8276 · Aug 24, 2007

NEWBIE....

ON ALL + DOG BETS ...NORMAL PEOPLE RISK 100 to win +whatvever!!!

ON ALL FAV BETS ...NORMAL PEOPLE RISK -whatever to win +100

Are u new to betting???

so +115 2* would be risk 200 to win 230

HERE2WIN2DAY · Aug 24, 2007

Murphy8276 said:
NEWBIE....

ON ALL + DOG BETS ...NORMAL PEOPLE RISK 100 to win +whatvever!!!

ON ALL FAV BETS ...NORMAL PEOPLE RISK -whatever to win +100

Are u new to betting???

so +115 2* would be risk 200 to win 230

Well Murphy,

Yes I am new to betting. Thus the reason why I asked for the clarification.

So according to you if you are betting fav odds then you are laying more money to win whatever units you represent. And if you are betting underdog odds then you are betting units to win + odds.

Is it just me or is that represented incorrectly? If you are going to have a 5 Unit play on lets say the Yankees, doesnt that mean you are going to bet 5 Units on whatever odds to win? Lets say 1 unit = $100.00 then a 5 Unit play on the Yankees is equal to $500.00. So the 5 unit play is equal to $500.00. So if the yankees are underdogs then it is no longer a 5 unit play since i can risk less than 5 units to win 5 units?

This is where I am confused.

Please bear with me I am a newbie here, have done sportsbetting but think the accounting and tracking is a bit confusing. As mentioned before, I am not calling anyone out or trying to rip anyone. Isnt that what the forums are here for - for discussions and other people helping each other and sharing insights?

Dawoofdaddy · Aug 24, 2007

Murphy8276 said:
since when are parlays rained out and cancelled??? LOL what a joke.

He has turned tracker forum into a complete joke.

MrCleo · Aug 24, 2007

lmao at the parlays being voided

HERE2WIN2DAY · Aug 24, 2007

Maybe IF Bets - Action

:103631605

Murphy8276 said:
since when are parlays rained out and cancelled??? LOL what a joke.

Or maybe he isnt doing parlays and instead doing IF BETS at lesser odds?

I dont know either. Thats why I asked.

I would love to have the book hes using if they do that.

Murphy8276 · Aug 24, 2007

HERE2WIN2DAY said:
Well Murphy,

Yes I am new to betting. Thus the reason why I asked for the clarification.

So according to you if you are betting fav odds then you are laying more money to win whatever units you represent. And if you are betting underdog odds then you are betting units to win + odds.

Is it just me or is that represented incorrectly? If you are going to have a 5 Unit play on lets say the Yankees, doesnt that mean you are going to bet 5 Units on whatever odds to win? Lets say 1 unit = $100.00 then a 5 Unit play on the Yankees is equal to $500.00. So the 5 unit play is equal to $500.00. So if the yankees are underdogs then it is no longer a 5 unit play since i can risk less than 5 units to win 5 units?

This is where I am confused.

Please bear with me I am a newbie here, have done sportsbetting but think the accounting and tracking is a bit confusing. As mentioned before, I am not calling anyone out or trying to rip anyone. Isnt that what the forums are here for - for discussions and other people helping each other and sharing insights?

sry if i was slamming ya at first.

BUT in all reality the way it goes is u always DO NOT pay attention to the juice.

What you are saying is the little button on whatever site u use is RISK/WIN/ or base amount.

Basically it goes like this. IF you bet the yanks @ -150 for 5 units. U are really planning on winning so in all reality you risk WHATEVER juice is there to make you 5 units in ur bankroll (otherwise you arent tryin to make 5 units (get it???)) if you win it will be +500 if you lose it will be -750......if the tampa bay drays are +125 and its a 5 unit play then you want to risk 5 units (same theory) so you still use up the same 5 units (ignoring the juice once again) and bet 500 which if won wins +625 and if loses it is -500....

BASICALLY all this shows it is better to win a 5 unit dog then a 5 unit fav....which if u think about it IT SHOULD be that way......ALSO if a 5 unit fav loses and a 5 unit DOG loses....the FAV should hurt ur ROLL more.

Murphy8276 · Aug 24, 2007

TO win a DOGGIE pick is always a PLUS money thing cause its free money!!

so u win a +125 5 unit and u get 500+ (5 units) plus 1.25u FREE(125+)

if a 5 unit fav loses -150(yanks) then u lose (-500) and another -(250) for the punishment of the FAV juice

CalvinTy · Aug 24, 2007

HERE2WIN2DAY said:
So according to you if you are betting fav odds then you are laying more money to win whatever units you represent. And if you are betting underdog odds then you are betting units to win + odds.

Exactly correct, you got it nailed down. That is completely accurate, and a great explanation that you typed as well.

HERE2WIN2DAY said:
Is it just me or is that represented incorrectly? If you are going to have a 5 Unit play on lets say the Yankees, doesnt that mean you are going to bet 5 Units on whatever odds to win? Lets say 1 unit = $100.00 then a 5 Unit play on the Yankees is equal to $500.00. So the 5 unit play is equal to $500.00. So if the yankees are underdogs then it is no longer a 5 unit play since i can risk less than 5 units to win 5 units?

This is where I am confused.

No, but I can see the confusion of this to a novice bettor, I'm sure many of us were also initially confused on this. Perhaps a number example would help:

if you using your example of "1 unit = $100 risked REGARDLESS OF FAVS OR DOGS":

-200 MLB fav; risk $100 to win $50

so if that -200 bet wins 3 times, say for example, the Yanks sweeps a 3-game series against a weak team...

what's your units won then, HERE2WIN2DAY? Your bankroll would show a +$150 profit (winning $50 3 games in a row) for ONLY +1.5 UNITS gain!

that's why the industry relies on using the idea of:

"LAYING (risking) $200 to win $100 for 1 unit" (unit = $100)

That way, after 3 straight wins, you are supposed to win +3 units at the end, winning $300.

Also, to point out the reasoning of extra juice making an impact in long term, if Yanks went 2-1 that series missing out on a sweep in a Game 3 loss:

Game 1: +$100 won
Game 2: +$100 won
Game 3: -$200 lost

You break even. That usually means that the -200 line was generally accurate if a heavy favorite wins 2 out of 3 times on a consistent basis. Books stay in business when people make juiced bets but not hitting the percentage necessary to break even or better.

Cheers,

* CalvinTy

Dawoofdaddy · Aug 24, 2007

MrCleo said:
lmao at the parlays being voided

this is the same guy that supposedly was parlaying same side ml and rl earlier this season.

you asked for the book, but i dont recall you getting an answer.

i dont suspect we'll get an answer what book canceled these parlays with a postponed game.

:sadbb:

terps1313 · Aug 24, 2007

I am a little confused as well with the units.

Calvin,

In the example you gave where the yanks won 2 out of 3 (you broke even). Do you add the extra unit to the loss meaning you are now even in units as well?

Murphy8276 · Aug 24, 2007

UNITS and Bankroll should be EXACT same numberwith moving a decimal

for instance 2 -200 wins = 200$ and 2 units
1 -200 loss = -200$ and -2 units

so total would be zero dollars money and zero units

if you have 34.54 units and u bet 100$ per unit u should have NO MORE and NO LESS than 3,454.00$ in ur bankroll

HERE2WIN2DAY · Aug 24, 2007

Murph & Calvin

Murph & Calvin,

Thanks for the clarification. As you can see, that is where it is a little confusing.

But I understand it and will have to adjust to it when reporting or keeping personal records.

Good Luck to you guys and keep in touch. What do you guys "specialize" in? I may want to follow since you guys are fluent with this knowledge of capping.

:suomi:

sooner · Aug 24, 2007

I believe the only questions remaining is the "No Action" regarding the parlays.

I am sure US must have made a mistake.:ughhh:

CalvinTy · Aug 24, 2007

terps1313 said:
I am a little confused as well with the units.

Calvin,

In the example you gave where the yanks won 2 out of 3 (you broke even). Do you add the extra unit to the loss meaning you are now even in units as well?

terps1313,

Since Murph just explained the answer, I'll just reply about the part why "it seems like adding extra unit to the loss". That is the PRICE of paying to ride a favorite to win. So, yes, you add 1.0 units to a loss if a -200 favorite does lose. Regardless of whether "1 unit is $100", even though it's the default in the industry, we can focus on just saying the units without involving any dollar amounts at all like this:

NYY -200 for 1 unit (that actually means "risking 2.0 units to win the desired result: 1 unit")

That's where the extra unit comes in.

Hope this helps, HERE2WIN2DAY, too. To answer your question, I don't specialize in anything as I'm not a capper, but I have tweaked a money management program that I have been meaning to share with the forum for ages.... and was planning to make a post about it perhaps today or at least this weekend.

* CalvinTy

terps1313 · Aug 24, 2007

Yup Cal, perfect explanation. Thats what i thought. :103631605

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