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the family that lives next door to me,(which i consider my family also) have 3 of the most beautiful kids in the world,ages 7,4,and 2.we all do many things together,but i have always felt uncomfortable when him or his wife are not around and i will immediately leave the room and follow them to where they go,when they leave me in the room alone with their children.

i think of the dad as a little brother and the things that i have done for them since i met them could not be repaid (nor would i expect it to).i now see this article which says i am not alone in my feelings and wonder how many of you feel the same way?to me,nowadays i think kids have very vivid imaginations and anytime they have emotional problems the things that are fed into their minds while trying to get to the bottom of things can come out all wrong.i could be so good for these kids,as i don't have any of my own...but the risks far outweigh the reward

THIS IS VERY BAD FOR OUR SOCIETY...here is the article

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB118903209653018615-lMyQjAxMDE3ODA5NjAwMzYyWj.html


These days, if Rian Romoli accidentally bumps into a child, he quickly raises his hands above his shoulders. "I don't want to give even the slightest indication that any inadvertent touching occurred," says Mr. Romoli, an economist in La Cañada Flintridge, Calif.
Ted Wallis, a doctor in Austin, Texas, recently came upon a lost child in tears in a mall. His first instinct was to help, but he feared people might consider him a predator. He walked away. "Being male," he explains, "I am guilty until proven innocent."
In San Diego, retiree Ralph Castro says he won't allow himself to be alone with a child -- even in an elevator.
Last month, I wrote about how our culture teaches children to fear men. Hundreds of men responded, many lamenting that they've now become fearful of children. They said they avert their eyes when kids are around, or think twice before holding even their own children's hands in public.

Frank McEnulty, a builder in Long Beach, Calif., was once a Boy Scout scoutmaster. "Today, I wouldn't do that job for anything," he says. "All it takes is for one kid to get ticked off at you for something and tell his parents you were acting weird on the campout."
It's true that men are far more likely than women to be sexual predators. But our society, while declining to profile by race or nationality when it comes to crime and terrorism, has become nonchalant about profiling men. Child advocates are advising parents never to hire male babysitters. Airlines are placing unaccompanied minors with female passengers.
Child-welfare groups say these precautions minimize risks. But men's rights activists argue that our societal focus on "bad guys" has led to an overconfidence in women. (Children who die of physical abuse are more often victims of female perpetrators, usually mothers, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.)
Though groups that cater to the young are working harder to identify predators, they also ask that risks be kept in perspective. Big Brothers Big Sisters of America does criminal background checks on each of its 250,000 volunteers, and has social workers assess them. Since 1990, the group says, it has had fewer than 10 abuse allegations per year. More than 98% of the alleged abusers were male.
"If we wanted to make sure we never had a problem, one approach would be to just become Big Sisters -- to say we won't serve boys," says Mack Koonce, the group's chief operating officer. But, of course, that would deny hundreds of thousands of boys contact with male mentors.
The Boy Scouts of America now has elaborate rules to prevent both abuse and false accusations. There are 1.2 million Scout leaders, and the organization kicks out about 175 of them a year over abuse allegations or for violating policies.




These policies can be intricate. For instance, four adult leaders are needed for each outing. If a sick child must go home, two adults drive him and two stay with the others, so no adult is ever alone with a Scout. "It's protection for the adults, as well as the children," says a Scouts spokesman.
The result of all this hyper-carefulness, however, is that men often feel like untouchables. In Cochranville, Pa., Ray Simpson, a bus driver, says that he used to have 30 kids stop at his house on Halloween. But after his divorce, with people knowing he was a man living alone, he had zero visitors. "I felt like crying at the end of the evening," he says.
At Houston Intercontinental Airport, businessman Mitch Reifel was having a meal with his 5-year-old daughter when a policeman showed up to question him. A passerby had reported his interactions with the child seemed "suspicious."
In Skokie, Ill., Steve Frederick says the director of his son's day-care center called him in to reprimand him for "inappropriately touching the children." "I was shocked," he says. "Whatever did she mean?" She was referring to him reading stories with his son and other kids on his lap. A parent had panicked when her child mentioned sitting on a man's lap.
"Good parenting and good education demand that we let children take risks," says Mr. Frederick, a career coach. "We install playground equipment, putting them at risk of falls and broken bones. Why? We want them to challenge themselves and develop muscles and confidence.
"Likewise, while we don't want sexual predators to harm our kids, we do want our kids to develop healthy relationships with adults, both men and women. Instilling a fear of men is a profound disservice to everyone."
 

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i hear ya buster. got some neighbors whose kids are about the same age. 2 boys and a girl. when me, themanej and laurent hoop it up on the weekends, the kids come out to watch.:missingte anyways, i can lower the goal a little and pick the boys up so they can dunk. ya know they get a big kick outta it. but i wont dare pick up the little girl. just seems as if the parents see me doin it, they will think i am the biggest fuckin perv alive. the media has definately got people thinkin that if anyone else touches the kids, they are gettin a cheap pedophile feel.
 

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Buster,
First off love your posts. This is way more serious than your usual posts. Nonetheless, I work in the medical profession and I can tell you that we have seen a lot more sexual assault cases over the last couple of years. These are really difficult as the story almost comes from the mother, the father is already arrested, and generally there is limited if any evidence that can be gathered from a physical exam (even if it did occur). I have definently seen a million more cases in which there is financial or custody gains that the mother (appearingly) is trying to get from her ex-husband as opposed to alleged SA by the neighbor or uncle. The latter are probably more likely guilty, but nonetheless, your assessment of guilty until proven innocent is right on.
 

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Good one, B.

I have a brother that is nine years younger. When I was a late teen, I was the literal Big Brother for him and about a half dozen other boys that were age 8-10. Would play backyard baseball and football with them. Football was usually tackle and it was common fun to let a couple of them grab my legs when I had the ball and then two or three more would pile on.

Later as a young father, I was a Cub Scout assistant and had similar sports coaching.

As an independent contractor for past 25 years, I'm constantly visiting people's homes to do yard work or other outside work and of course encounter plenty of kids.

I USED TO fraternize a lot more with them - various chit chat and stuff. Would greet them with a low-five and such.

But probably for past ten years, I'm like you, Buster. I won't make any contact with them if parents not totally in sight, especially little girls.

It sucks, because I know "I" haven't changed. And I know young kids haven't changed.

But there's just enough parents - especially women - who buy into the hysteria that somehow our society is just overwhelmed with dudes just waiting for an opening to molest kids.
 

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FLIP SIDE of this topic is how I've come to more carefully moderate my encounters with my more senior female customers.

I don't have a lot of them these days because my prices are usually a bit higher than market average, but I do get some - and they're often widows in their 70s and even 80s.

Had one lady like that who about two years ago would ask me into the house every couple months after I did the yard and she would ask me to change some ceiling light bulbs and stuff. Which I did with no complaint.

But then I got to noticing that she was a tad daft and she would express forgetfullness about where she put her checkbook.

She'd say, "Where did I put my checkbook?"

And I'm like, "Uhhhhh, I don't know."

Then she'd find it on the couch and it's all good.

BUT I HAD a brain flash that what if one day she can't find her checkbook and she accuses ME.....

Or what if, damn....she like drops dead and I'm standing in her kitchen.

NOW I DON"T go into any old lady houses unless there's someone else with me.

Maybe I can hire SKINSRAJ to be my assistant and he can take care of all the little kid fraternizing and the old lady light bulb changing.
 

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i have thought about this for a long time and until i saw this article today was always afraid to even talk about (worried about some clown branding me a pedophile).i see this as a serious threat to our society.

when i was growing up i had several older mentors (so to speak) and to be honest they helped mold me into the man i am today.looking back now i think that had my parents had the same thoughts as society does today have,i would have never been able to do the things i did. my "brother" as i call him is a cop and works very odd and long hours.would i love to take his 7 year old son fishing,bowling,mini golf,etc.... hell yeah, but todays climate just does not allow for such things.VERY SAD
 

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oh and by the way.my "girlfriend"of 8 months has a 4 year old daughter and i refuse to be alone with her.even though my job would allow me to save her 400.00 or so dollars a month in daycare,i always come up with an excuse as to why i cannot babysit.
 

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i hear ya buster. my girlfriend has girls, i play with them all the time but always when she or another adult is around. sad that society has me so paronoid im scared to be alone with them when i know they are in good hands.
 

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Buster..this has to be the most seriouspost I have ever seen from you.

This must be weighing heavy on your mind.

As funny as you come off on this forum, I'm
almost speechless.:ughhh:

I will tell this, I've got 2 kids and 25-30 neighborhood kids running thru my house and pool every FUCKIN day.

My only fear is....don't drawn and don't run outta food.

I have no worries of what you speak of..all the parents in
my hood are way cool.

Every Fri, Sat and/or Sun someone has a ""get together""

This week it's SAT and SUN....

Anyway I understand your phlight, but unless you have prior issues
I WOULD NOT WORRY...

LIFE IS TO SHORT:toast:

be well
 

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Buster..this has to be the most seriouspost I have ever seen from you.

This must be weighing heavy on your mind.

As funny as you come off on this forum, I'm
almost speechless.:ughhh:

I will tell this, I've got 2 kids and 25-30 neighborhood kids running thru my house and pool every FUCKIN day.

My only fear is....don't drawn and don't run outta food.

I have no worries of what you speak of..all the parents in
my hood are way cool.

Every Fri, Sat and/or Sun someone has a ""get together""

This week it's SAT and SUN....

Anyway I understand your phlight, but unless you have prior issues
I WOULD NOT WORRY...

LIFE IS TO SHORT:toast:

be well


definitely no prior issues here..just a paranoia that evidently runs thru many. and it is a sad reflection on todays society that has now been proven.
 

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definitely no prior issues here..just a paranoia that evidently runs thru many. and it is a sad reflection on todays society that has now been proven.
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I agree, sad... but just live your life..

you have a great Wit..

make us and others laugh:toast:

again don't stress .. we are here only for a short time..:103631605
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i hear ya buster. got some neighbors whose kids are about the same age. 2 boys and a girl. when me, themanej and laurent hoop it up on the weekends, the kids come out to watch.:missingte =.

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Funny how the Laurent Robinson and ManeJ find their way into almost every thread somehow. Wasted no time with this one as the 2nd post. :nopityA:
 

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I can relate to a lot of what this thread is about and especially with Barman and his checkbook story.

I never let friends give me keys, combinations, or things like that. Just the other day my buddy began telling me the combination to his house and I stopped him. Just said I don't need to know.

I am probably one of the most trustworthy people around, but I hate having any possible blame being put on me about anything.

Anyone else like this?
 

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moved back for discussion.

Great to see someone is takin' care of the house
while others play in Sin City.

ps. Jman..this truely is a BIG subject for some...I was totally unaware
of this:ughhh: ..WOW

please keep this thread on page 1.

Thank You sir.
 

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Great to see someone is takin' care of the house
while others play in Sin City.

ps. Jman..this truely is a BIG subject for some...I was totally unaware
of this:ughhh: ..WOW

please keep this thread on page 1.

Thank You sir.

I agree it is an interesting subject and should get plenty of discussion.
 

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A terrible situation that due to a few monsters parents have to turn their children into paranoids and good people are afraid to work with children. Tough on jurors also. Kids are such liars, you have to not put an innocent person in prison but not let a monster go free.
 

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i have thought about this for a long time and until i saw this article today was always afraid to even talk about (worried about some clown branding me a pedophile).i see this as a serious threat to our society.

when i was growing up i had several older mentors (so to speak) and to be honest they helped mold me into the man i am today.looking back now i think that had my parents had the same thoughts as society does today have,i would have never been able to do the things i did. my "brother" as i call him is a cop and works very odd and long hours.would i love to take his 7 year old son fishing,bowling,mini golf,etc.... hell yeah, but todays climate just does not allow for such things.VERY SAD
great thread,buster...i have the same fears..when i was growin up,neighbors,kinfolk,etc,would give kids candy,gum,etc...well,i was a painting contractor,and many times,when i was on the job,and went for lunch,or a break,if there were any kids around,id always make sure to get them some kind of treat...i enjoyed the hell out of that,but there is no way i would do it now....very sad...buut,you cant blame the parents..im a grandfather,and when im at the mall,or at the park with my grandson,i watch him like a hawk...i hate it,but i have to..we live in a strange world...pisses me off,that i have to teach my grandson,to be suspicious of strangers,but if i didnt,it would be irresponsible...in my opinion,the catholic church,and the boy scouts,didnt help matters,by coverin for a lot of these pedophiles...
 

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Our society has become so litigated, issue-hyped, protective, paranoid and witchhunting it gives me the creeps. I was asked to coach one of the towns age group hoops teams and before thinking about it I started backpedaling and rattling off excuses but the real reason was I just didn't want to invest in the climate of robo lawyer coach. I guess we all shift gears when isolated with kids and that is such as shame, especially for the kids. I learned so much from nonfamily adults, coaches, neighborhood guys etc. in the totally free atmosphere of yesteryear. Were there less pervs around then? I don't think so. In fact, one aspect of openness is kids get better earlier savier social skills and might be more adept at brushing off 'situations' (I can recall lots of situations where I sensed screwy intents but burshed 'em off and went on my way). But these days everything is hinky. I think it even shades the kids interactions as they pick up on their 'preciousness'. I really resent how things are and try to just ignore the clammy side. BTW, this fall I hope start paying back some coaching debts and am putting in an application. Another good thread Buster.
 

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My boys are 7 an 11 and I live 4 houses from a park and pond. My ex was the most extreme with this situation when my oldest was young.

His first bike, I was putting his plate with his name on the back of the seat, as we all did when we were young. She lost it. What if a man stops him and says his name. Then says to hop in as our dog is lost. I honestly had never thought of it. SAD.

Last weekend we were going to play tennis with our bikes. Kids left a few minutes before me. They come riding back as a car with an older man in it stops and asks them about racing or whatever. My oldest got the style of the car with a portion of the plate. Called one of my buds on the force to give the info. Nothing since.
I think it is imperative to teach kids from VERY early on to fear all.
What would you do if you were one of those parents whose kid was abducted.
I would be in for murder.
 

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