Bookie Buster Gets Banned ~ MLB System

sds23 · Sep 12, 2007

By now most of you probably know that BB has been banned and is now only being allowed to post over in the Site Promotions Forum. BB's numerous daily contributions to the MLB Forum (as well as the rest of the sports forums) are greatly appreciated and will be missed.

Although BB has shared the details of his banishment with me (conversations between him and Wil that were private and WILL REMAIN PRIVATE), the only things that are not clear or certain are:

(1) The length of his banishment, and / or if he will ever be allowed back; and

(2) The difference between posting daily paid service plays and posting the MLB system plays that got BB into trouble.

I have known BB for a while now, both from inside this forum and outside of this forum privately. He is a stand up guy who has never asked anyone for anything and who does not have any hidden agendas or ulterior motives behind his actions. His only goal in posting daily in these forums was in an effort to help others make money by beating their respective books.

In the case of the MLB system plays that got BB into hot water with The RX, he did not see the difference between posting those plays and posting the daily paid service plays (i.e., Ness, Root, Sebastian, Big Al, Cokin and etc.) that appear in daily threads in each of the major sports forums.

It needs to be made clear that BB (his real name is Matt) is NOT the person named Bill (the person who is the creator of the MLB system, whose plays BB was posting) and BB is in no way associated with Bill, the MLB system or the website from which it originates.

BB paid for the MLB system plays like anyone else and he did what he always does ~ he shared the system and respective plays with the rest of the forum in the spirit of making money and helping others beat their books. And now BB has asked me to share his side of the story with the forum so that everyone understands why he will no longer be posting in any of The RX forums with the exception of the Site Promotions Forum.

I have a great deal of respect for Wil and the rest of the RX staff. And in no way am I looking to create any trouble. The RX is great site and after sampling many other similar sports betting forum websites, I am happy to call The RX my "home".

Yeah, this place has its share of goofballs and crazy occurances, but all in all The RX has the best cappers and information I have seen and that is why I choose to ultimately settle down here. And much like the saying "it takes an entire village to raise a child", it also takes "an entire forum to raise a well rounded capper / bettor" and BB was defintiely a significant part of the "village / forum" and his contributions will be missed by many.

Timetopay · Sep 12, 2007

Yeah I dont get it either but really dont follow anyone to know the difference.

Why are (for example) Brandon Langs picks allowed to be stolen and posted daily and those posters are not banned.

FatTony · Sep 12, 2007

I think the problem was that he kept posting for people to put $150 towards a person with a system.

Am I wrong on that?

sds23 · Sep 12, 2007

Unless specific posts have been deleted or altered, BB never asked for money or suggested that anyone spend money. He simply mentioned:

(1) The system was no longer being shared / e-mailed to him for free;

(2) He was surprised that Bill went "tout" or "pro" so quickly;

(3) That, after winning so consistently, he went ahead and spent the $150 for the service.

Here's the quote from BB: "I am not one to spend money on service plays but I will pay for this one and it is only $150 which can be made back in one night."

I think this was just BB being honest (and probably sharing too many details that were misunderstood). He was up front with what the system was, where it came from and that he feared this guy might go "pro" and ultimiately, when forced to decide, BB made the rare decision to actually pay for a service. Probably a detail that he should not have shared ~ and one that was easily misunderstood as a "promotion" or "sales pitch" for said service.

FatTony · Sep 12, 2007

Come on.

He's has a post that says "Please read if you want to make money" in the promo section.

He's not trying to get people to spend $150 by doing that?

sds23 · Sep 12, 2007

Fat Tony said:
Come on.

He's has a post that says "Please read if you want to make money" in the promo section.

He's not trying to get people to spend $150 by doing that?

Let me go look.....

sds23 · Sep 12, 2007

Hmmmm....I had not seen that thread. I can see what you mean by the title of that particular thread. I will be curious to ask him about the title. The post itself inside of the thread sounds like him trying to clarify his side of things....but I am not sure I understand why he picked that title for the thread and I can see why you are thinking what you are thinking.

Bottom line: I consider BB a friend and he's never asked me for a thing. More specifically, he's never even hinted that I spend money on this or anything else in any conversation we've had.

I am shocked by all these recent developments (the banishment and etc.) and sincerely created this thread as a reaction to the recent news.

GreatLaker · Sep 12, 2007

I have spoken to BB outside of this forum regarding the MLB system. I feel like he was genuinely excited about it, and was simply sharing his enthusiasm with everyone else. He never mentioned money/purchasing..not even close. He was simply excited about a new angle to beat the books.
I think his banishment is unfair and uncalled for.

Timetopay · Sep 12, 2007

I aint looking but I could have sworn he wrote a post saying He will be posting no more picks and if you wanted them you can email him and pay him $150 through Paypal.

I dont know if thats against the rules or not cause I could give a fuck but I do remember that...

lapdance · Sep 12, 2007

would love to hear will give us an explanation. as i said yesterday, their must be more to it.

campusbookie · Sep 12, 2007

He never said he will no longer be posting the picks for free...just that Bill had an additional system that he was selling, but was still giving out the 1st inning plays for free. Not sure why this made such a big stink, but even if it is tout (which I don't think so) who gives a dam! The guys system has been winning and if I can get in on a hot hand I am going to do it.

desi · Sep 12, 2007

so is it 1 strike and you're out or was he warned
more than 1 time to stop? curious.

METFAN · Sep 12, 2007

Good point Desi... Bookie Buster and SDS are always sharing information and never asking for anything and when i tried to send him money from our Derby winnings he wouldn't even take it. I personally consider bb and sds the 2 most sincere posters on this thread. I support them both 100%.

SDS give me BB's email tonight and i'll email him when i get home. You too.
Send it to my home email..

I hope BB got atleast a fair warning first :toast:

therookie2b1 · Sep 12, 2007

from what i heard it was a quick boot...site promotions is where he is currently at if you are looking for him or want to drop him a word

sds23 · Sep 12, 2007

Timetopay said:
I aint looking but I could have sworn he wrote a post saying He will be posting no more picks and if you wanted them you can email him and pay him $150 through Paypal.

I dont know if thats against the rules or not cause I could give a fuck but I do remember that...

There was a confusing post on that thread where BB copied and pasted the contents from an e-mail that he received from Bill. It was confusing at first because it seemed like it was BB talking (not the e-mail). In that copied e-mail Bill announced that he was going no longer give free picks and was accepting payment via Pay-Pal.

At the top of that particular post BB labeled (or titled) the post "E-mail from Bill".

I will admit I was confused at first too....it seemed like BB was asking for money or payment. But then when I re-read it and later saw the title ("E-mail from Bill") then it became clear that BB was simply informing everyone that Bill was charging for the system picks (not BB) and BB was saying that these picks may be coming to an end.

Then in a later post, BB announced that he was going to purchase the picks (which was significant since BB is the king of finding free service picks and service plays...and he himself stated that he had never paid for picks before).

sds23 · Sep 12, 2007

lapdance said:
would love to hear will give us an explanation. as i said yesterday, their must be more to it.

I agree. There are always two sides to every story. And I am fully aware that I am only getting BB's side of the story right now.

I just hope that this is not a case of confusion (as I pointed out there was that confusing post that was actually a copied e-mail from Bill that could have been mistaken for words coming from BB). I hope that is not the case.

sds23 · Sep 12, 2007

METFAN said:
Good point Desi... Bookie Buster and SDS are always sharing information and never asking for anything and when i tried to send him money from our Derby winnings he wouldn't even take it. I personally consider bb and sds the 2 most sincere posters on this thread. I support them both 100%.

SDS give me BB's email tonight and i'll email him when i get home. You too.
Send it to my home email..

I hope BB got atleast a fair warning first :toast:

I am home for lunch now Met. I will send you an e-mail before I leave to go back to work.

PS ~ thanks for the kind words buddy! You are a class act yourself!

METFAN · Sep 12, 2007

Thats my home email so i'll see it around 8:00 eastern

fhmesq44 · Sep 12, 2007

FWIW, and I don't particularly care one way or the other, I am not playing these, don't know BB and don't have a dog in the fight, but I read BB's initial post when he first made it in the same manner as SDS. It was confusing and I read it such that he was the one writing that post. It wasn't until I read it a 2nd and 3rd time that I realized he wasn't selling picks. BB seems like a decent enough guy, would be a shame if he is banned and this is all simply a mistake and confusing post.

HatTrick · Sep 12, 2007

Yeah, BB doesn't seem like the kind of guy to solicit posters for his own gain.
I think he was really excited about this system and made the mistake of posting that email, which can be looked at as advertising.