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Militant Birther
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Libertarian Ideas Are Unreasonable

By: Brandon Nadeau

Last week the Republicans had another debate, this one on FOX News. Not much has changed in the last few months; Rudy Giuliani is still in the lead in the polls and Fred Thompson is still in second despite the fact he didn't announce his intentions to run until a few days ago. What has changed, and changed for the worse, is the surging popularity of a Texas Congressman by the name of Ron Paul. I've been running into normal, intelligent people who support Paul, and it really scares me.

The reason Paul is as popular as he is has to do largely with his sudden support from Democrats and I have to admit, when I didn't know much about him I thought he sounded like a good candidate. He wants to end the Iraq war, have tighter borders, lower taxes and decrease spending, what's not to like? The problem doesn't lie with his policies and ideas, but rather his execution of said policies. How to end the war in Iraq: immediate pullout not only from Iraq, but from the whole of the Middle East. Never mind the slaughter that will occur with our exit. Paul, by the way, denies that this will happen, as the people saying it will are the same that said it would be an easy win. It was a mistake and we never should have been there.

He has more than one unworkable policy. Who else here wants to abolish the FDA? Dr. Paul is your man. His case against the FDA is that they take taxpayer money and are supposed to regulate the food and drugs coming into the country and those produced here, but there are still cases that get by them. Obviously, he claims, we would be better off with no Federal regulation. Corporations should police themselves. Paul is a big fan of the free market and wants to see an end of just about every federal agency that does anything useful or helpful. DEA? Gone. Medicare/Medicaid? History. IRS? The government has no right to take your money.

Paul is such a fan of the free market and letting businesses do whatever they want that during a recent session of Congress he was the one dissenting vote when Congress decided to stop giving tax money to corporations profiting from the genocide in Sudan. It seems pretty cut and dry, companies are making money off of a genocide. Why would you give them money to keep doing that? Paul's answer: We shouldn't tie the hands of corporations by limiting their business dealings. That pretty much covers foreign policy for Paul.

Paul doesn't like the federal tax system and actually signed a document circulated by the National Libertarian Organization a few years ago affirming this belief. Lower taxes is one of the tried and true methods of getting people to vote for you. The problem with Paul saying he'll get lower taxes is that it's not entirely true. Yes, your income will be less taxed, but Paul wants to raise the sales tax to 23 percent at the least. Have fun being poor, because you won't be able to afford anything under Paul's administration. What would be really interesting is seeing how much price gouging we would see with no regulatory bodies, but I'd rather not think about it.

More interesting is Paul's absolute belief in the free market. He wants to see an end of public service agencies and governmental controls. Private post offices, for example, would be bought up by companies and if you're not served by the same post office as say, the people sending you bills, you might never get the bill. Or you might incur a fee when you get the bill. Imagine all roads in the country being up for sale: Paul sees a future where this has happened and thousands of toll booths are being constructed across the country.

We wouldn't have a nutcase presidential candidate without him being a racist, not these days anyways. Paul luckily fits that bill. He's made his case against the African American community known very well, starting with this comment back in 1992, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." Later he would say the age to be prosecuted as an adult should be lowered to 13 because "black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such." It's no wonder White Supremacist Website and forum Stormfront.org has come out in support of Paul, as has former Ku Klux Klan member and politician David Duke.

Here's a list of things Paul wants to end because they have had failures in the past, or he sees them as useless: CIA, FBI, Department of Homeland Security, FDA, IRS, Medicare, FBI, DEA, UN, NATO, NAFTA and CAFTA. That's the short list. This is my biggest problem with Ron Paul. He offers no constructive thoughts, only destructive ones. He doesn't think a single thing can be made to work if it failed even once. Bad intelligence? Cut it out completely, don't try to reform it.

Overall, Paul has no workable ideas. He wants to return to a gold standard, which would destroy the US economy. He wants to cut nearly every government department and build a giant wall (not a fence) on our border with Mexico. I honestly don't understand how people can think he would make a good president.

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It's just the easier of the two routes to inevitable chaos. His way at least there can be some semblance of preparation and control. The probable way (Hillary) will be completely out of control.

Ron Paul is your Dad intelligently explaining why heroin is bad for you. Hillary is you hitting rock bottom and going cold turkey. If that's the only way you'll learn, well....ok.
 

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Yeah, Darryl, I dunno about your analysis. Things are so 'bad' right now, that Democrats are once again emboldened going around and coming up with new ways to spread all the wealth. Context and perspective, please.

Voting for Hillary in the general election, are you?
 

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Mark, you owe me a royalty for your choice of wording in topic title.
 

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Here's a list of things Paul wants to end because they have had failures in the past, or he sees them as useless: CIA, FBI, Department of Homeland Security, FDA, IRS, Medicare, FBI

It seems this was written by an old and certainly very unconvincing person.
 

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Paul doesn't like the federal tax system and actually signed a document circulated by the National Libertarian Organization a few years ago affirming this belief. Lower taxes is one of the tried and true methods of getting people to vote for you. The problem with Paul saying he'll get lower taxes is that it's not entirely true. Yes, your income will be less taxed, but Paul wants to raise the sales tax to 23 percent at the least. Have fun being poor, because you won't be able to afford anything under Paul's administration. What would be really interesting is seeing how much price gouging we would see with no regulatory bodies, but I'd rather not think about it.


What is the $$ lowest level that people pay taxes?
Also what is the rate increase?
From Canada and wonder.

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He's just a mean old focker who hates paying taxes.

I bet he needs a prod to buy a round when its his turn too.

He's got that mean shifty piggy eyed look that all tight scotsman have.
Trust me, I can spot these guys.
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Mines a double malt please Paul. Thankyou.
 

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Yeah, Darryl, I dunno about your analysis. Things are so 'bad' right now, that Democrats are once again emboldened going around and coming up with new ways to spread all the wealth. Context and perspective, please.

Voting for Hillary in the general election, are you?

Perspective:

People who have money think it represents stuff at approximately current market value, right?

Trouble is, only the first people who choose to cash in can actually get that value. The next guy gets less, the next guy even less, and so on. That's how markets work. Most people are clueless to this fact.

The consequences are left as an exercise to the reader.
 

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Replace an income tax with a sales tax and the progressive crowd is going to jump on this guy's bandwagon? Yeah right after he tells them he wants to abolish their welfare state and he's pro-life.

And the right, the group of voters that believes that we should stay in Iraq until Iraqi's can provide for their own security, especially in light of recent developments, they just love his immediate withdrawal position.

People from both sides overwhelming support using gold as our monetary standard, probably making us the only country in the world to do so.

There are reason why Paul weighs in at 3 % or less, and such reasons are actually fatal.
 

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Replace an income tax with a sales tax and the progressive crowd is going to jump on this guy's bandwagon? Yeah right after he tells them he wants to abolish their welfare state and he's pro-life.

Which is why it's been stated in this forum many times already, that true Paul supporters are fully aware he's not winning the nomination. Though I have to admit it's fun watching the neocon crowd up in arms that a non-hegemonous Republican dares to challenge them in debates. That Joe C et al keep posting anti-Paul articles is a testament that at least on some level, you guys are nervous about him.

FYI, an elimination of all income taxes in favour of a raised sales tax is a great idea. For starters, there is a far greater sense of 'volunteerism' to such a tax, and leaves individuals with more money that they can choose to save.

But, yeah, no way do progressives go for that.
 

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