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Absolute Poker is being asked to answer questions about players apparently playing with all hole cards revealed..different players under multiple accounts taking in thousands , some apparently without ever losing a hand.....big story on 2+2 (who may have just shut their entire site down to avoid further speculation)

More info as it becomes available........
 

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Huh?
AP is dealing hole cards face up ?
 

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their site is up and running with tons of tables open as we speak. I can't log into 2+2 though.
 

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Well I have seen software for sale which will "show" everyone's hole cards. I never bought the software since i had heard that it wasnt legit. But the concept wouldnt seem too remote
 

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PPP, are you going to Coushatta this week?? They have their big USPT tour events this week. I will be playing in the $500 buyin and the $2500 buyin events
 

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WTF is actually going on?

and why is 2+2 down?

you cant speculate there?
 

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2 plus 2 is down because news like this could KILL online poker. Thus, it would hurt their site dramatically as well
 

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Two Plus Two moved it :

AP suspected cheating sticky
#12094824 - 09/15/07 02:38 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



After talking with a few people, I decided to move the thread to the mod forum (in other words not delete it, but most will not have access to it) as I don't think it's good to have a public discussion here right now.


Edited by bicyclekick (09/15/07 03:58 PM)

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Wow.....seems very suspicious.......if even remotely true I'd imagine thousands would never play online again.
 
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I remember telling people I thought online poker was rigged because too many weird coincidences were happening and so many people would argue and defend it, it wasn't funny. lol idiots.
 

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If you ask me what other site is rigged, I will tell you that Fulltilt is.
 

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notice the number of hands played...

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your kidding

you guys dont play poker online do you---that is insane--of course its rigged
 

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Posted at 2+2 by respected poster Dan Druff


I've played a whole lot on AP this year, especially over the summer.

Oddly enough, I missed out on most of the Greycat/Supercard/etc. games due to sheer coincidences of timing (basically I'd be out or sleeping when he'd show up). Still, I played about 10 sessions with the guy, including one heads up, and noticed exactly what everyone else is noticing:

1) His hand selection pre-flop is so bad (especially 9 handed) that he should be losing a fortune against the top-flight players he's been facing. Instead, he's been winning big almost every session.

2) It is very rare that he will fold if you miss the flop.

3) When you are holding a huge hand, he folds often.

Basically, yes, he plays like someone who can see your cards. But that's nothing new to anyone on this thread. I've played against legitimate players who have run so well that I'd swear they could see my hand if I didn't know better. We've also all seen examples of huge donks running up amazing short-term streaks that we never thought were possible -- including odd plays that leave us scratching our heads.

So what's the difference here? Perhaps nothing, perhaps something. But the evidence we've seen so far, some anecdotal, others more damning, makes this worth another look.

Before I go on, I can confirm that Greycat, Supercard, and the other suspect accounts posted here ARE indeed the same person. This isn't an assumption or a guess. It's a fact. PM me if you want me to explain this part further.

So we have this Greycat person playing on multiple accounts -- sometimes chipdumping between them -- and playing the highest games Absolute Poker has to offer. He plays both limit and no limit, yet top regular players from both games report the same suspicious experience with him.

He has won a ton of money (does anyone have the exact figures?), and rarely seems to lose.

If he is cheating, I think I know how he's doing it.

Long before Greycat showed up, there was some concern that AP had a "superuser" account, created by its software developers. This account, created strictly for testing purposes, would be able to see all cards of all players in all games. As a software programmer by trade, I can tell you that such an account would be very helpful in the development and testing process for a complicated piece of software like AP. I referred to there being "some concern" that such an account exists. I say this because I have some circumstantial evidence (which I can't share in public) that this is true, but I don't have any proof. Furthermore, prior to this Greycat situation, I had no reason to believe that this account ever fell into the wrong hands.

But what if it did fall into the wrong hands? Perhaps someone could have hacked it. Perhaps a rogue ex-developer of the software could have passed some info along to an accomplice. Perhaps a lot of things.

The fact is that, if Greycat did get access to such an account, he'd pretty much be doing exactly what he's doing now. Yes, maybe some subtlety would have done him better (so as to avoid this suspicion), but history is full of criminals whose otherwise brilliant capers were foiled by just a bit too much greed.

It's time to stop guessing and get some answers here. Obviously AP will never admit their system was compromised, even if it were true. That would pretty much be the equivalent of poker room suicide. We need to put together a concrete plan of action to either prove this guy is a fraud, or prove to ourselves that we're a bunch of paranoid fools. Either way, we need to prove something. In the next post, I'll give my suggestions on what I feel we should do next.
 

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2 plus 2 is down because news like this could KILL online poker. Thus, it would hurt their site dramatically as well


2p2 goes down every single night around 3 am-6 am at different times. I absolutely hate it cuz I cant check it half the tiem before bed, to think they shut their site on news like this is laughable.

Looks like an interesting thread though, my friend aimed me about taht weird T9 call the other night.
 

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