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WASHINGTON, Oct 1 (Reuters) - Banks, credit card firms and operators of other Internet payment systems would need to establish policies and procedures to identify and block transactions with unlawful Internet gambling sites under new federal regulations proposed on Monday.

The U.S. Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve released the proposal for rules to put into effect the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, which Congress passed last year.

The proposal requests public comment by Dec. 12, identifies the types of payment systems that must comply with the act, which was enacted in an effort to outlaw most forms of Internet gambling. It makes it illegal for banks and credit card companies to make payments to online gambling sites.

The proposed rule would require policies and procedures that are "reasonably designed to prevent payments being made to gambling businesses in connection with unlawful Internet gambling," the agencies said in a statement.

The rule describes examples of such policies and procedures but does not define illegal gambling activities or transactions because the underlying law defers to activities illegal under previously existing state and federal gambling regulations.
 

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Typically vague and leaves the decision up to the Banks themselves, something they said they didn't want/wouldn't do...
 

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sounds like they are putting the onus on the banks to police themselves
 

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I don't even get this. Why would banks even give a shit. Is the gaming industry's version of don't ask, don't tell?
 

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This seems key to me...

C. Exemptions
The Act directs the Agencies to exempt certain restricted transactions or
designated payment systems from any requirements imposed under the regulations if the
Agencies find that it is not reasonably practical to identify and block, or otherwise
prevent or prohibit the acceptance of, such transactions. Section 4 of the proposed rule
provides such an exemption for certain participants in ACH systems, check collection
systems, and wire transfer systems. The proposed regulation is structured to impose
requirements on participants in designated payments systems with respect to the
segments of particular transactions that those participants handle. Therefore, rather than
exempting entire categories of restricted transactions or entire payment systems, the
Agencies have structured the exemptions to apply to particular participants in particular
payment systems as described in greater detail below. The Agencies believe that this
limited application of their exemption authority better serves the Act’s purposes of
preventing the processing of restricted transactions.
The Agencies are proposing to exempt all participants in the ACH systems, check
collection systems, and wire transfer systems, except for the participant that possesses the
customer relationship with the Internet gambling business (and certain participants that
receive certain cross-border transactions from, or send certain such transactions to,
foreign payment service providers, as discussed further below). The exemptions for these
participants reflect the fact that these systems currently do not enable the exempted
participants to reasonably identify and block, or otherwise prevent or prohibit, restricted
transactions under the Act. While other systems, such as the card systems, have
developed merchant category and transaction codes that identify the business line of the
payee (e.g., the gambling business) and how the transfer was initiated (such as via the
Internet), so that the systems are able to identify and block certain types of payments in
real time, the ACH systems, check collection systems, and wire transfer systems do not
use such codes. Moreover, as a general matter, a consumer can make payment by check,
ACH, or wire transfer to any business with an account at a depository institution. This is
in contrast to card systems and money transmitting businesses, in which consumers can
make direct payments only to those businesses that have explicitly agreed to participate
in those payment systems. As a result, the preliminary view of the Agencies is that it is
not reasonably practical for the exempted participants in ACH systems, check collection
systems, and wire transfer systems discussed below to identify and block, or otherwise
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prevent or prohibit, restricted transactions under the Act. The Agencies intend to monitor
technological developments in these payment systems and will consider amending the
exemptions if, in the future, the technology prevalent in these payment systems permits
such participants to identify and block, or otherwise prevent and prohibit, those restricted
transactions.
No designated payment system is completely exempted by the proposed rule. The
Agencies intend that the participant with the customer relationship with the Internet
gambling business would have the responsibility in the ACH systems, check collection
systems, or wire transfer systems to prevent or prohibit restricted transactions from being
credited to the account of the gambling business through that particular payment system.
The Agencies request comment on all aspects of the exemptions, but in particular,
whether the exemptions for certain participants in the ACH systems, check collection
systems, and wire transfer systems discussed in more detail below are appropriate.
Commenters that believe that these participants should not be exempted from the
requirements of the regulation should provide specific examples of policies and
procedures that such participants could establish and implement that would be reasonably​
designed to identify and block, or otherwise prevent or prohibit, restricted transactions.
 

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52 pages of Bullshit that will NEVER be implemented to the degree that those who wasted their time writing all this would have liked. Carves out so many exemptions as to probably confused even those who wrote it and puts the onus on the banks themselves.

Its a pile of garbage that will never be implemented fully, buracratic resistence is what will happen.
 

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the banks are gonna come back and say the best way to do this is with a list of companies you can't do transactions with... and as the treasury has said in this notice, it's kinda hard to put a list together of companies that have not been charged or convicted of a crime.

insane
 

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The Department of the Treasury has today released the regulations required by the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA). The regulations appear to be as weak and confused as the UIGEA.

The regulations require all banking systems to stop unlawful Internet gambling transactions, but state clearly that it is very difficult to figure out what is deemed unlawful as the UIGEA does not make anything illegal that was not already illegal under federal and/or state law.

The new regs point out the complications of implementing a list of what is and isn't illegal Internet gambling...

"Any government agency compiling and providing public access to such a list {of unlawful gambling sites} would need to ensure that the particular business was, in fact, engaged in activities deemed to be unlawful Internet gambling under the Act. This would require significant investigation and legal analysis. Such analysis could be complicated by the fact that the legality of a particular Internet gambling transaction might change depending on the location of the gambler at the time the transaction was initiated, and the location where the bet or wager was received. In addition, a business that engages in unlawful Internet gambling might also engage in lawful activities that are not prohibited by the Act."

The fact that the regs point out that certain transactions would be legal in some states, but not in others could be interpreted as the government believing that casino games such as poker, slots, bingo, and blackjack, are actually not illegal under federal law and only illegal in states where laws explicitly say they are illegal. The only betting activity deemed illegal under federal law would be on sports, made illegal by the 1969 Wire Act.

This begs the question, can operators such as Party Poker, and/or 888 Holdings, based legally out of the UK, re-enter the US market while only disallowing bets and wagers from citizens in states where online gambling is expressed as illegal?

Currently, Microgaming powered casinos such as All Jackpots, and The Gaming Club, allow gamblers from all states in the US where Internet gambling is not deemed specifically illegal. Could Playtech branded casinos such as the infamous Golden Palace re-enter the US market now too?

Some analysts also believe it would be difficult to determine what is illegal and not because of the exceptions in the UIGEA for the Horse-Racing industry and state run lotteries.

The beginning of the regs also take some of the fear off the actual gamblers in the United States who were nervous about receiving or sending money to any offshore gambling site.

The regs state that the only people who could be held accountable for breaking any of these regulations (thus breaking the laws created by the UIGEA), or implementing these regulations, would be participants, defined as anyone who is "an operator of a designated payment system, or a financial transaction provider that is a member of, has contracted for services with, or is otherwise participating in, a designated payment system. The proposed regulatory definition clarifies that an end-user customer of a financial transaction provider is not included in the definition of 'participant', unless the customer is also a financial transaction provider otherwise participating in the designated payment system on its own behalf."

The costs of implementing a list by the US government to deem certain transactions as unlawful Internet gambling transactions for the banks to use as a guideline were deemed by the Treasury to be 'significant'.

"This is because establishing a list would require considerable fact-finding and legal analysis once the U.S. Government identifies a gambling website. The Government must engage in an extensive legal analysis to determine whether the gambling website is used, at least in part, to place, receive or otherwise knowingly transmit unlawful bets or wagers. This legal analysis would entail interpreting the various Federal and State gambling laws, which could be complicated by the fact that the legality of a particular Internet gambling transaction might change depending on the location of the gambler at the time the transaction was initiated and the location where the bet or wager was received," the regs state.

Just in record keeping alone, the Treasury estimates that it would take 368,254 hours of work to implement these regulations.

The UIGEA, which has been debated as the worst law in United States history, may have been proven to be so with the long awaited release of the regulations for the Act.
 

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This is great news.... the banks and public companies involved in this have until dec 12 to show them why this will never work and it puts a undue huge burden opn them


good positive stuff!
 

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they will let the bamks make their own rules on how to do it but if they get caught allowing it they will fine them like 10 million dollars so that is why they care.




I don't even get this. Why would banks even give a shit. Is the gaming industry's version of don't ask, don't tell?
 

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they will let the bamks make their own rules on how to do it but if they get caught allowing it they will fine them like 10 million dollars so that is why they care.
but who is going to be the ultimate cop for this? The banks are being made cop..but who is watching the banks? This is a STUPID STUPID law/idea, as dumb as they come.
 

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Politics involved. Everybody knows that the clock is ticking on republican gambling restrictions. Obviously the banks and the agencies want to back off restrictions. I agree with above that this postering is good news but it was bound to come to this with the weight of personal freedoms interests poised to spill over into an election issue.
 

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I Would Be Very Careful With Bank Wires To And From. Banks Can't Stop The Credit Cards Because Of The Volume But The Bank Wires Are A Differnt Story.
 

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This is great news.... the banks and public companies involved in this have until dec 12 to show them why this will never work and it puts a undue huge burden opn them


good positive stuff!


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Then what, your back in action?

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How can the Un Federal, Federal Reserve make Federal laws?
 

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The banks are regulated by various agencies (OCC, Fed Reserve, Treasury Dept). Piss them off enough times and they can make the bank's life miserable. Huge fines, suspended charter are possible penalties.
 

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