Why cant people separate the fact that this forums are a business and not a watchdog?

CHOPTALK · Oct 8, 2007

It has always confused me why so many people get worked up about THERX or the people across the street bringing in a sponser thats D rated or less than great.

Therx was not started for the main purpose of helping you find the safe books. And this is not a bad thing. Its just plain business. They are here to make money and they should not have to give anyone an apology for doing so.

On the other hand, even though these places are were not started to help you find the safe places to play, the nature of the forums helps us do just that.

If you cant browse the offshore forums and not figure out on your own which places are safe and which places you should avoid frankly you deserve to lose your money.

I dont think any offshore forum should have to make a 10K promise to play at a book. You should do your own due dillagence and figure it out for yourself.

People need to quit taking these banners personally.

Do you turn off the football game everytime they play a commercial for a product that you hate?

Onetime I ate at KFC and got food poisoning to the point of almost dying one time. I think KFC is a shitty place to eat. Does that mean I turn off the MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL game everytime I see one of those shitty KFC ads?

The NFL does not care where you eat. All they care about is $$$, and there is nothing wrong with that.

They will advertise BUDLIGHT on one comercial and COORS light the next. Its all about the money, its the American way.

Why do people have the tendancy to always want to throw the blame for there failures on everyone else? Why does everyone always want to pass the buck?

People losing money at BOS was not THERX fault.
People losing money at BETPANAM was not SHRINKS fault.
People buying a shitty car on tv is not MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALLS fault.

The world is controled by money. Its not a bad thing.

gbogo · Oct 8, 2007

the answer to this question is this

if you were a broker and pumped a stock and the company went bankrupt and you knew very well the condition of the "company" ....you would be facing the consequences.

in this case if the mods/owners of this site dont sort through the shady characters in this world then it will be to their own detriment in the end as the players wont trust their funds to those books promoted. everyone is responsible for their own decision of course but the RX as a promoter should be bigger than a "pump" and dump scheme.

Rev_Al · Oct 8, 2007

Fight The Power

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RDENBOER · Oct 8, 2007

Chop, gotta kinda go against ya here, bud.

I think it speaks volumes about a company, when they hold the value of it's customers/members over the value of a dollar.

If you buy a car from me and ask me which one has the best value.... and I sell you a POS, just so I can make a few more bucks... over one that I know is really a beter car for you.... then you'd look down at me, too!

CHOPTALK · Oct 8, 2007

gbogo said:
the answer to this question is this

if you were a broker and pumped a stock and the company went bankrupt and you knew very well the condition of the "company" ....you would be facing the consequences.

in this case if the mods/owners of this site dont sort through the shady characters in this world then it will be to their own detriment in the end as the players wont trust their funds to those books promoted. everyone is responsible for their own decision of course but the RX as a promoter should be bigger than a "pump" and dump scheme.

apples and oranges.

Once again, I got caught up in a pump and dump stock once, lost 8K and did not feel like I was frauded. I blamed myself for not doing enough research on my own. There were many red flags along the way that I ignored. It was 100% my fault.

FairWarning · Oct 8, 2007

gbogo said:
the answer to this question is this

if you were a broker and pumped a stock and the company went bankrupt and you knew very well the condition of the "company" ....you would be facing the consequences.

in this case if the mods/owners of this site dont sort through the shady characters in this world then it will be to their own detriment in the end as the players wont trust their funds to those books promoted. everyone is responsible for their own decision of course but the RX as a promoter should be bigger than a "pump" and dump scheme.

Or their friends could be in a little over their head. Happens every day. Bottom line, it's YOUR money. Ask questions first and research.

For Rev Al:

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RDENBOER · Oct 8, 2007

CHOPTALK said:
apples and oranges.

Once again, I got caught up in a pump and dump stock once, lost 8K and did not feel like I was frauded. I blamed myself for not doing enough research on my own. There were many red flags along the way that I ignored. It was 100% my fault.

That doesn't change the fact that you have a huge legion of members who are looking to you for some guidance. I think if you start to get the reputation of doing anything to make a buck, then you start to lose a lot of respect from the members.

You need to depend on us recommending this forum to our friends, families, neighbors and so forth. How can we do that, if we think it's just being run to make the best buck and fuck what's in the best interest of the members?

Boxslayer · Oct 8, 2007

i agree 1,000% with Chop

If you had to PAY for this forum, a monthly fee for example, then it would be their responsibility to provide you with an honest and valuable service

This is a free forum, and they have to do whatever they have to do to stay afloat to give people like you and me a place to discuss sports, picks, plays, etc. If that means making a few bucks with a D rated book to pay for their servers and salaries, then so be it. Let's see how much you are complaining about it when this place shuts down because they only allowed good books to advertise here. Then you can sit back and say, "man that old forum I used to go to that is now out of business.....they were a bunch of good honest people."

In the world of gambling, good honest people good honest books, are few and far between. They wont make enough money pumping those kinds of books only.

Again, if you are deciding which sports book to bet at because you saw a flashy banner at the top and a mod told you it was good, you deserve to lose your money.

No offense to the mods, but they have a job to do. I trust their opinion on sportsbooks like I trust a used car salesman. If you cant figure that out on your own, you deserve to lose your money - you're not "sharp" enough to make it in this cut-throat industry.

This site is to be used at YOUR OWN RISK. Just like all things in gambling.

CHOPTALK · Oct 8, 2007

RDENBOER said:
That doesn't change the fact that you have a huge legion of members who are looking to you for some guidance. I think if you start to get the reputation of doing anything to make a buck, then you start to lose a lot of respect from the members.

You need to depend on us recommending this forum to our friends, families, neighbors and so forth. How can we do that, if we think it's just being run to make the best buck and fuck what's in the best interest of the members?

Because you are looking at it the wrong way. Therx and eog, MW and all the others are NOT watchdogs.

If you are looking to them for guidence, you are looking in the wrong place.

Dont look at the banners, the banners are just commercials. The show is the post in the forums.

The only time the forums are in the wrong from a moral standpoint is if the mods or people in charge delete true facts about bad experiences in the posting forms in order to protect advertisers. If this happens this is the only time you can point a finger.

primetime21+ · Oct 8, 2007

Chop is dead on.

RDENBOER · Oct 8, 2007

Boxslayer said:
i agree 1,000% with Chop

If you had to PAY for this forum, a monthly fee for example, then it would be their responsibility to provide you with an honest and valuable service

This is a free forum, and they have to do whatever they have to do to stay afloat to give people like you and me a place to discuss sports, picks, plays, etc. If that means making a few bucks with a D rated book to pay for their servers and salaries, then so be it. Let's see how much you are complaining about it when this place shuts down because they only allowed good books to advertise here.

In the world of gambling, good honest people good honest books, are few and far between.

Again, if you are deciding which sports book to bet at because you saw a flashy banner at the top and a mod told you it was good, you deserve to lose your money.

No offense to the mods, but they have a job to do. I trust their opinion on sportsbooks like I trust a used car salesman. If you cant figure that out on your own, you deserve to lose your money - you're not "sharp" enough to make it in this cut-throat industry.

That's really an ugly way of looking at life. When the shoe is on the other foot, maybe you'll see the light.

In my heart, I have an obligation to my clients. If a client sees a service advertised in my office and they end up getting taken advantage of that service.... there is no doubt it reflects badly on me. It makes me look so shallow, it's not funny. I would never promote a service or product that I, myself wouldn't use. That's just morals, I guess.

And hey, by proof of some of the biggest companies in the world, you don't need morals to be successful. It's just nice to see it once & a while, so you can have confidence in the company you're dealing with.

sportsbet · Oct 8, 2007

What people can't seperate the two? I don't think the Rx ever hid the fact that the books in the above list are advertisers?

sb

LarryLegend · Oct 8, 2007

Boxslayer said:
i agree 1,000% with Chop

Again, if you are deciding which sports book to bet at because you saw a flashy banner at the top and a mod told you it was good, you deserve to lose your money.

This site is to be used at YOUR OWN RISK. Just like all things in gambling.

Agree with you and chop except for this....if they want to acccept the ad money, business is business. But when asked for advice, if they know one is shitty, they should not recommend. (Not saying they have done that).

But then again, they back it up if you have a problem, so I guess it should be OK

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primetime21+ · Oct 8, 2007

RDENBOER said:
That's really an ugly way of looking at life. When the shoe is on the other foot, maybe you'll see the light.

In my heart, I have an obligation to my clients. If a client sees a service advertised in my office and they end up getting taken advantage of that service.... there is no doubt it reflects badly on me. It makes me look so shallow, it's not funny. I would never promote a service or product that I, myself wouldn't use. That's just morals, I guess.

And hey, by proof of some of the biggest companies in the world, you don't need morals to be successful. It's just nice to see it once & a while, so you can have confidence in the company you're dealing with.

But since this is a free enterprise, doesn't this site have a right to choose which shops are worthy or not? Would you like it if i came in to your office and started to tell you who to do business with?

RDENBOER · Oct 8, 2007

Look, I'm not going to say that I agree with the advertising of lesser-quality books. No matter how much anyone tries to pursaude me.

That said, this forum is awesome and I love posting & conversing here. Is it perfect? Nothing is! My beef about the advertising isn't gonna turn me away. What it makes me do, is.... whenever I refer someone, I stress not to go banner hopping without reading as many posts about the books as possible.

I just fear for the people are not so informed. I really don't like to see anyone get taken advantage of, no matter how gullible they seem to be.

Boxslayer · Oct 8, 2007

RDENBOER said:
That's really an ugly way of looking at life. When the shoe is on the other foot, maybe you'll see the light.

In my heart, I have an obligation to my clients. If a client sees a service advertised in my office and they end up getting taken advantage of that service.... there is no doubt it reflects badly on me. It makes me look so shallow, it's not funny. I would never promote a service or product that I, myself wouldn't use. That's just morals, I guess.

And hey, by proof of some of the biggest companies in the world, you don't need morals to be successful. It's just nice to see it once & a while, so you can have confidence in the company you're dealing with.

This is apples and oranges man.

This isnt a stock firm, this isnt a Fortune 500 company. This is a completely different industry filled with one scam artist after the next. Everyone here is borederline grey area of the law.

When your clients come to your office, they are paying you. This is a free website, that is centered around the message board. This is not a watchdog website, this site has no stock, this site is not a Fortune 500 company. Completely different.

RDENBOER · Oct 8, 2007

primetime21 said:
But since this is a free enterprise, doesn't this site have a right to choose which shops are worthy or not? Would you like it if i came in to your office and started to tell you who to do business with?

Depends... if you were a customer and someone I care for... then I'd at least listen to you. I'd care what your opinion was. I can't say I'd side with you, but I wouldn't bitch about it. If you have been supporting my office, the least I could do is listen to some of your genuine concerns.

Even though we are not paying members, we are still supporting this forum. Without us, there is no forum.

Boxslayer · Oct 8, 2007

LarryLegend said:
Agree with you and chop except for this....if they want to acccept the ad money, business is business. But when asked for advice, if they know one is shitty, they should not recommend. (Not saying they have done that).

But then again, they back it up if you have a problem, so I guess it should be OK

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You're right I agree with you, and I definitely retract my statement. Going out of your way to do that is unaccpetable.

At the same token, on their side, if you say dont play at that book, we just advertise for them, but they are bad...or if they plead the 5th....that sponsor will walk.

But yeah, some integrity and honesty even in this industry, isnt too hard to ask for.

RDENBOER · Oct 8, 2007

Boxslayer said:
This is apples and oranges man.

This isnt a stock firm, this isnt a Fortune 500 company. This is a completely different industry filled with one scam artist after the next. Everyone here is borederline grey area of the law.

When your clients come to your office, they are paying you. This is a free website, that is centered around the message board. This is not a watchdog website, this site has no stock, this site is not a Fortune 500 company. Completely different.

I understand, BS, I understand. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Just an opinion and now it's been shared!

RDENBOER · Oct 8, 2007

Boxslayer said:
But yeah, some integrity and honesty even in this industry, isnt too hard to ask for.

My thoughts, too. It's what I'm trying to say.

Be nice to find a way to keep the sponsor dollars coming in, yet fnd a way to inform the members.

Why cant people separate the fact that this forums are a business and not a watchdog?

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