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I know many of you guys are line shoppers that try to beat the closing number. My question is for the NFL only.

I noticed that had you beat the closing numbers on the games that moved yesterday, it looks like you wouldve had a horrible day. So, my question to ICEMAN and the rest of you is ......How have you done with this during the entire NFL season so far?
 

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Nice observation. I make the majority of my bets throughout the week in the NFL. I have a pretty good feel for which way the line moves. I try to catch numbers at their apex.

I had bets like:
Philadelhia -3 -115
Dallas +7
K.C. +4
Minnetoa +5.5
Miami +6
Washington +3.5
Arizona -4.5
New Orleans +7
NY Giants -3.5

To answer your question, yes I havent done as well with the NFL as last year and am down a little bit with it so far. Actually have had my most success with NFL 2nd half totals and that is keeping me close to even. I made 30 bets yesterday and put a little over 6k into action and lost a grand total of $41, weird day. I was way up but struggled in the afternoon.

Bottom line when you keep getting GREAT numbers you will win. So I keep plugging along. One thing about football that is different is the season/total bets are so small that it takes awhile to get it going and see the effects of great numbers come into play as say hoops.

Actually up pretty good with CFB this year so been right about where I expected football wise this season. Still waiting for the one Sunday when it all comes together.
 

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sunday NFL was bad for late moves as you say but truly horrible was Saturday college football halftime lines...about 70% of line moves lost in that direction, ouch as I had most of them at the better number or juice at slower moving books.... ICEMAN did the same happen to you I know you must play NCAA halftime lines pretty hard watching dynamic lines...?
 

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sunday NFL was bad for late moves as you say but truly horrible was Saturday college football halftime lines...about 70% of line moves lost in that direction, ouch as I had most of them at the better number or juice at slower moving books.... ICEMAN did the same happen to you I know you must play NCAA halftime lines pretty hard watching dynamic lines...?


went 5-4 on Saturday NCAA 2nd halves.

Something I like to do but dont get too in-depth on here with is when a game side slowly trickles and eventually hits a key number I then play it.

Here would be a prime example from yesterday (though I didnt play it). Arizona kept moving all day long and you could grab a +6.5 or so later in day. I like to fade late line moves in CFB and NFL, espically if I didnt get a good number on the game.

I try and catch numbers at their apex. Been doing this with hockey at Matchbook exchange and have won about 5 units so far this year. This is how I have beat books like Pinny in the past, fading bigger late line moves. I did it with baseball last summer quite successfully.

Value is created with late money moving the number so far away from the consensus all day number that it creates decent value and a bet. Kind of like betting the other side of a middle if you had bet the number early at the other side (which you actually didnt, if you follow what I mean).
 

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went 5-4 on Saturday NCAA 2nd halves.

Something I like to do but dont get too in-depth on here with is when a game side slowly trickles and eventually hits a key number I then play it.

Here would be a prime example from yesterday (though I didnt play it). Arizona kept moving all day long and you could grab a +6.5 or so later in day. I like to fade late line moves in CFB and NFL, espically if I didnt get a good number on the game.

I try and catch numbers at their apex. Been doing this with hockey at Matchbook exchange and have won about 5 units so far this year. This is how I have beat books like Pinny in the past, fading bigger late line moves. I did it with baseball last summer quite successfully.

Value is created with late money moving the number so far away from the consensus all day number that it creates decent value and a bet. Kind of like betting the other side of a middle if you had bet the number early at the other side (which you actually didnt, if you follow what I mean).

How do you know the difference between steam and a late move then? I thought your theory was always to watch a move.......say AZ -4.5, then when it jumps to AZ -6, find a book that still has AZ -4.5, then hit it. Now you are telling me you're fading these plays? I'd like to chat with you on email Ice, so shoot me an email out so I can reply to you. Thanks-Wolf
 

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How do you know the difference between steam and a late move then? I thought your theory was always to watch a move.......say AZ -4.5, then when it jumps to AZ -6, find a book that still has AZ -4.5, then hit it. Now you are telling me you're fading these plays? I'd like to chat with you on email Ice, so shoot me an email out so I can reply to you. Thanks-Wolf


It is too beat the line move and that is why I said I didnt want to get all into this as it would confuse some. Maybe a better way to put it is too try and catch numbers at their apex.

I didnt say I was fading these plays. I said it was another thing I do. I am about volume, I have been running around 3% ROI on over 1,000 plays on average a month and this is something I added inot the mix.

The best way to look at this is to find a game that has moved enough to set up a PROFITABLE imaginary middle and now you would be buying back the other side. So if the game was +7 all week long and then on game day it just keep dropping and dropping and just before gametime it is -4.5 than grab the -4.5. Now leave it alone if you already have the +7 or you can try to middle it.

Remember a middle is bet where BOTH SIDES ARE +EV. This is why I say that I dont look at 1 game closely. It's about having all edge bets. You could have the same game as me and have the complete other side and be good to go in my eyes.

It is very possibile to be a winning bettor and bet the complete opposite sides in a moneyline sport and be ahead also. You see what I mean? I know that can be hard to understand but I think that explains it best to most that both sides can be a profitable LONGTERM if the numbers has moved enough. This is why looking at 1 game means nothing in the big scope of things.
 

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