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I am started a new thread since the other one seemed to get off track.

I have talked to parties from both sides of this situation, and unfortunately we are not going to be able to come to a conclusion that is going to make both sides happy.

The facts are that players were playing correlated parlays at the group of sportsbooks. It had been going for an extended period of time. There is really no dispute here as I have received multiple emails from the players in which they say they have been betting correlated parlays.

The sportsbooks have a no correlated parlay rule on their sites, and they did enforce the rule by cutting parlay limits to $1 on customers that were caught playing these parlays.

When the sportsbooks realized that there were multiple players playing these parlays on a regular basis, they decided to take action and confiscate the winnings from these parlays, retroactive September 1. The argument can be made that they need to refund back losing parlays, but the sportsbooks feel that if they were to go back further on these customers accounts that the amount of money won on the correlated parlays would greatly exceed the amount withheld.

While my feeling is that the sportsbooks should have just closed the accounts and sent back the balances, I can understand why they made their decision. You could have made the argument that the correlated rule was too vague, but the customers all know that they were betting correlated parlays, and I know of at least 4 that continued to play at the books after the money was confiscated. I also had 2 of the customers tell me that they would have rather given up the money and keep this quiet rather than get it out in the public and wise up other books.

My opinion is that both parties share some fault here. Books have a habit of getting lazy and basically just expecting all customers to follow their rules. Players that choose to take advantage of loopholes at books are playing the risk-reward game.

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I am started a new thread since the other one seemed to get off track.

I have talked to parties from both sides of this situation, and unfortunately we are not going to be able to come to a conclusion that is going to make both sides happy.

The facts are that players were playing correlated parlays at the group of sportsbooks. It had been going for an extended period of time. There is really no dispute here as I have received multiple emails from the players in which they say they have been betting correlated parlays.

The sportsbooks have a no correlated parlay rule on their sites, and they did enforce the rule by cutting parlay limits to $1 on customers that were caught playing these parlays.

When the sportsbooks realized that there were multiple players playing these parlays on a regular basis, they decided to take action and confiscate the winnings from these parlays, retroactive September 1. The argument can be made that they need to refund back losing parlays, but the sportsbooks feel that if they were to go back further on these customers accounts that the amount of money won on the correlated parlays would greatly exceed the amount withheld.

While my feeling is that the sportsbooks should have just closed the accounts and sent back the balances, I can understand why they made their decision. You could have made the argument that the correlated rule was too vague, but the customer all know that they were betting correlated parlays, and I know of at least 4 that continued to play at the books after the money was confiscated. I also had 2 of the customers tell me that they would have rather given up the money and keep this quiet rather than get it out in the public and wise up other books.

My opinion is that both parties share some fault here. Books have a habit of getting lazy and basically just expecting all customers to follow their rules. Players that choose to take advantage of loopholes at books are playing the risk-reward game.

Thanks
Rick

If sportsbook doesnt refund losers for all correlated parlays, this is THEFT!
 
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A correlated parlay is simple a parlay involving the side AND the total of a certain game?

If so, there is nothing wrong with that. The book needs to pay, hands down.
 

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leave it to therx to side w/ the sponsored book, i expected nothing less and this is why i didn't even attempt to seek mediation from rx sources

be proud rx, be proud.. let that sportsbook banner fly high and let's just hope sportsbook don't retroactively cancel half a million worth in affiliate payment 3 months down the road..
 
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I work in a book and I favor the players in this dispute..seems to me like piss-poor management and extreme laziness of whoever is running the lines..this is a black-eye to the industry...
 

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So if I take the Patriots and the Over in certain games, that would be considered a correlated parlay and my bets would be cancelled! RIGHT!
 

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I have nothing to do with this situation, but Rick you should be embarrassed by that post.

This is simple theft and nothing else, and TheRX is condoning it. Let's mbe honest. Their explanation for why they don't refund losing bets is pathetic and makes no sense.

Correlated bets are not guaranteed winners. They give the player an advantage, but not a guarantee of winning.

Let me repeat, to accept a wager and then cancel it after the event is over, much less from a month ago, is theft no matter what the circumstamces and the excuses by the book.


Complete embarrassment for TheRx, and an obvious decision made solely due to money at the expense of your credibility.
 

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I have nothing to do with this situation, but Rick you should be embarrassed by that post.

This is simple theft and nothing else, and TheRX is condoning it. Let's mbe honest. Their explanation for why they don't refund losing bets is pathetic and makes no sense.

Correlated bets are not guaranteed winners. They give the player an advantage, but not a guarantee of winning.

Let me repeat, to accept a wager and then cancel it after the event is over, much less from a month ago, is theft no matter what the circumstamces and the excuses by the book.


Complete embarrassment for TheRx, and an obvious decision made solely due to money at the expense of your credibility.

I said that I disagree with the books decision, so what do we have to be embarrassed about?
 

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Rick,

Did they confiscate winnings from say "correlated" parlays of something akin to a -3 favorite to the over? Or just plays that are truly correlated such as USC -41 to over 55?
 

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unless they were playing parlays involving the run lines in baseball or (if a glitch in the software allowed it) a 1st half wager and a full game wager...the book has no case at all. show me a book that does not allow someone to parlay the patriots and the over. they are building pyramids in las vegas because people parlay the favorite and the over in the nfl.
 

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They were truly correlated - like 1st half fav -10 to over 25.

why penalize the player if the book's software allows a play like that to go thru?

dont blame the player...fire the geek who f*cked up the program.
 

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Agree...

The books are now stealing...

Pretty F'NG sick.

Amazing how some people can handle situations like this with rational thinking, and conduct themselves with professionalism...

While others come up with an asinine decision like this.
 

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I - We are not going to always agree with the decisions made by our sponsors - that's just not realistic.

And before you ask - yes we do have standards. All you have to do is look at some of the books that advertise everywhere that are not here. It ain't by their choice.
 

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When the sportsbooks realized that there were multiple players playing these parlays on a regular basis, they decided to take action and confiscate the winnings from these parlays, retroactive September 1. The argument can be made that they need to refund back losing parlays, but the sportsbooks feel that if they were to go back further on these customers accounts that the amount of money won on the correlated parlays would greatly exceed the amount withheld.

what a crock of shit, the book has a feeling that these guys won more prior to this september 1st retroactive date and use that as a justification for confiscating their winnings, what a joke, they could go back through the numbers and figure out for sure, if they aren't going to honor any of the correlated parlay wagers, they should refund ALL, both winning and losing bets :WTF:
 

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you either a) return all losses and b) take all winnings

or do nothing..close accounts...accounts should've been closed and balances returned...it's a bad precendent set
 

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