Pats 16-0 Yes -125 no + 105 WOW !

I just left the Las Vegas Hilton and they actually have Pats 16-0 no at +105 ! This line seems hard to believe. It means that the Patriots are expected by the public to go 16-0 this season. I posted about 3 weeks ago that I thought it was possible but now that they beat Colts... Well ?
I think the no is a better wager and We should play the Money line and see where it come to. I'm sure it would amount to better than -125.

I got "Will any team go undefeated" +650 at Greek a few weeks ago!

Sweet!

Intrinzik said:

I got "Will any team go undefeated" +650 at Greek a few weeks ago!

Sweet!

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Great wager ! I would be wagering the + 105 no and sit back and enjoy. I bought some Pats at Hilton + 350 on Oct. 22 just after the Pats beat Miami. Pretty small wager so I will just sit on it. GL !

I love the plus money on the no. There are still 7 games to play.

They have 3 remaining games, all of which wouldnt totally shock me if they lost. @Balt, @NYG, home vs Pitt. You also have to factor in the possibility of the starters resting once they have home field locked up. I dont think they will rest them, but you cant rule it out.

WVU said:

I love the plus money on the no. There are still 7 games to play.

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The vaule play is on the + 105 no wager. The Pats bandwagon is in full swing now that they beat the Colts ! I will give it some thought but so far I will watch tonights Steeler game as they are really one of the best contenders left and any major injury might make a difference.

If you bet the no and it gets to 15-0 cant you make some kind of hedge on the final game.

I must be missing something.

And if it doesnt get to 15-0, youve obviously won the bet already.

Oh nevermind, I just figured it out you would need more +money. You can still get middled if you bet the spread.

i know this much, they arent gonna rest them...this team wants the record to end all records and they will play them to the end...im convinced of that after watching belichek go banana's one it went final....

wow!!! going 16-0 should be something like +300 at this point.

that seems unreall .. offshore what is the best price people have seen? im not in vegas today!

trytrytry said:

that seems unreall .. offshore what is the best price people have seen? im not in vegas today!

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kermit16 said:

I just left the Las Vegas Hilton and they actually have Pats 16-0 no at +105 ! This line seems hard to believe. It means that the Patriots are expected by the public to go 16-0 this season. I posted about 3 weeks ago that I thought it was possible but now that they beat Colts... Well ?
I think the no is a better wager and We should play the Money line and see where it come to. I'm sure it would amount to better than -125.

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What is the max wager that they allow...I'm thinking MAYBE no more than 500 bucks....wouldn't surprise me if it were 200 bucks...

Kermit, thanks for continuing to post updates on the Hilton line. I posted the following table before the Miami game when I got +700 on 16-0 for the Pats. Its a crude calculation that the ML parlay would then have had cumulated odds of +590.

I suspect my odds might now be overly generous but today for the remaining 7 games my ML parlay gives odds of +247.

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VIEJO DINOSAUR said:

What is the max wager that they allow...I'm thinking MAYBE no more than 500 bucks....wouldn't surprise me if it were 200 bucks...

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Hilton is no small book and I have always found them to be willing to take some decent wagers. However I will check with them tomorrow to see what their limits are on this sort of prop. I will tell you this... For those of you that think the Internet is the only place to get a decent shake on futures etc.... I have often found that nobody can beat some of the futures I have been able to wager here in Vegas. By the way.... I never ever have to worry about getting my cash when I do win ! Where else could you find better than 30/1 on Packers to win the NFC or find an undefeated Oregon team at 50/1 to win the BCS ? Just tonight after the Steelers blasted the Ravens I bought some Steelers SB at 25/1 as a hedge against my + 950 Patriots wager. I love futures !

i think the ml parlay of the pats the rest of the year will end up paying in the +175-+180 range

lifexpired said:

i think the ml parlay of the pats the rest of the year will end up paying in the +175-+180 range

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If they keep winning, they will be huge favorites for all 7 of their remaining games. I intend to keep track of it. There will be plenty of - 1500 to - 2000 ml that will not help you make much headway at all.

kermit16 said:

I just left the Las Vegas Hilton and they actually have Pats 16-0 no at +105 ! This line seems hard to believe. It means that the Patriots are expected by the public to go 16-0 this season. I posted about 3 weeks ago that I thought it was possible but now that they beat Colts... Well ?
I think the no is a better wager and We should play the Money line and see where it come to. I'm sure it would amount to better than -125.

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Kerm, you mustve been tanked if you bet the Steelers prop and not this one. LOL.

The Wolf said:

Kerm, you mustve been tanked if you bet the Steelers prop and not this one. LOL.

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Steelers at 25/1 is a great hedge bet to protect my + 950 wager on Patriots to win SB. Are you tanked ? By the way... Do you know another Kermit ? Not many people know me by Kerm but that's what most of my friends call me by.... OK they call me a few other names but this site is monitored ! :nohead:

lifexpired said:

i think the ml parlay of the pats the rest of the year will end up paying in the +175-+180 range

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I agree this is far more likely than the +247 from my calculations well over 3 weeks ago. In fact it might be as low as +150.

I originally made the post that +600 three weeks ago for 16-0 were good odds compared with the ML parlay and to counter those who reflexively said, without thought, that the ML parlay would pay better.

In fact we are now in a strong hedge position with Pinny having Y/N at +130/-160 and WSEX at +127/-150. I'm going to hold at least another 7-8 weeks.