It's funny how Lloyd Carr gets zero credit now that Michigan has it's typical season

Iceman · Nov 5, 2007

Heard from a buddy of mine who claims his brother said that if Lloyd Carr hadnt have blown the Appalachian St game that Michigan would be right in this Natinal Championship talk. Not sure if this goes on in other states but it is bad in Michigan and has caused me to lose interest in the team I grew up rooting for as all I find myself doing is defending Carr and the Michigan program. I told him to ask his brother if Lloyd gets any credit for all the wins they have this year, it cant go both ways.

Fan expectations are unrealistic. I point to Notre Dame and Nebraska as recent examples of how mighty football programs can fall apart fast. Never since I have been a fan (almost 30 years) has Michigan fielded a team as bad as those storied franchises have this year but Carr recieves little or no credit for what he has sustained. There were alot of people calling for his head earlier this year and now nobody is saying a thing. I have a long time buddy who is also a big Michigan fan and he started freaking out the second they lost to go 0-2 this year. He refuses to give Carr any credit and says they still need a change.

Today's college football has as much parity as ever before and Michigan runs not only a clean program but a winning one but wait till the next loss how many want to see Carr fired. All I can say is watch what you wish for as you could have the next so called genius like Charlie Weiss.

Just wonder if this goes on in other citites across America.

Iceman · Nov 5, 2007

Let me add I am in no way saying they are a powerhous and should be even ranked in the top 10 but he has got them to overachieve and should be credited for that these past 8 games.

oatmealpancakes · Nov 5, 2007

He nearly lost that MSU game with that Lloydball shit. My god I'm so sick of this shit. I really admire the guy for how he handles his players and how much he gives to important causes outside of football, but enough is enough.

ohmigods · Nov 5, 2007

Lloyd looked like he was having
a heart attack in Appy game:lolBIG:

Mich has a tuff one at Wisky sat.

would love to see them go 10-2 though

really believe polls have a preference to southern teams

wannabewhale · Nov 5, 2007

What about the Maze and Blue's recent Bowl performances??

TomBrady#1 · Nov 5, 2007

Carr is truly a horrible coach. That school will recruit great athlets AFTER he is there and did BEFORE he is there. Just look at that NFL talent from Michigan. For all that talent he stinks. WHen the talent is equal they lose. As fav last year, how can USC demolish you like that. He loses most of his bowl games (lost OUTRIGHT as 10 point favs to nebraska in another bowl). Will rarely beat Ohio St as long as great coach Tressell is there. If the talent is equal he in trouble. THey looks good beating, Northwestern and mich sts the mediocre teams....USC and Ohio State is a different scenario altogether.

Iceman · Nov 5, 2007

Tom Brady#1 said:
Carr is truly a horrible coach. That school will recruit great athlets AFTER he is there and did BEFORE he is there. Just look at that NFL talent from Michigan. For all that talent he stinks. WHen the talent is equal they lose. As fav last year, how can USC demolish you like that. He loses most of his bowl games (lost OUTRIGHT as 10 point favs to nebraska in another bowl). Will rarely beat Ohio St as long as great coach Tressell is there. If the talent is equal he in trouble. THey looks good beating, Northwestern and mich sts the mediocre teams....USC and Ohio State is a different scenario altogether.

Sound like your tyipical no nothing Michigan fan who has all the answers. "He is truly a horribile coach" and where do you gather this info from based on what.

His record versus top 10 teams is better than Steve Spurrier, Bobby Bowden, Tom Osborne, Mack Brown, John Cooper and Joe Paterno. Not sure what you are talking about. His record versus OSU is 6-6. I can chop up stats just like you can. Throw in the FACT that he is one of the top 5 current coaches in win pct in all of division 1 football and has a national championship to his credit.

You are right Michigan does get top notch talent but the difference with them and most other schools is they back it up with a winning records EVERY STINKING year. And who is repsonsbile for bringing in this top notch talent and developing it.

College football unfortunately is a game based almost all on perception, much like your argument. From the way they crown their champions to who is suppose to be this great coach. Numbers dont lie.

The overall big picture is he has done a great job on running a top notch class operation and the sad part is people like yourself would never be happy with him.

If I was him I would leave the absolute second the season was over and laugh when the Wolverines fall to the levels of Nebraska.

arniesarmy · Nov 5, 2007

Wisconsin will beat Michigan on Saturday, but it won't matter to the Wolverines. If they beat the Buckeyes in two weeks, they still will be Big Ten champs, even with a loss to the Badgers.

Addict101 · Nov 5, 2007

Doesn't matter what happens against Wiscy this season. If they beat Ohio State, they are Rose Bowl bound.

slapshot · Nov 5, 2007

the next Michigan coach will be Les Miles :aktion033 :dancefool

:toast::toast:

arty::money8: C-YA Lloyd hola

PyRoCaPPer · Nov 5, 2007

Iceman said:
Heard from a buddy of mine who claims his brother said that if Lloyd Carr hadnt have blown the Appalachian St game that Michigan would be right in this Natinal Championship talk.

There were alot of people calling for his head earlier this year and now nobody is saying a thing. I have a long time buddy who is also a big Michigan fan and he started freaking out the second they lost to go 0-2 this year. He refuses to give Carr any credit and says they still need a change.

If Carr was a GOOD COACH, Hell, even a DECENT coach, shouldnt he have beaten App State and Oregon?

How does SUCH A GOOD COACH lose b2b Home games at the Big House?

That is what makes him sooo bad.

Oh, and Carr will get bent over by OSU AGAIN this year.

cincy_ · Nov 5, 2007

It just shows how pathetic the Big Ten is

PyRoCaPPer · Nov 5, 2007

cincy_ said:
It just shows how pathetic the Big Ten is

:nopityA:......Don't you ppl have anything better to say. That line is worn out.

FairWarning · Nov 5, 2007

Iceman said:
Let me add I am in no way saying they are a powerhous and should be even ranked in the top 10 but he has got them to overachieve and should be credited for that these past 8 games.

I'm not sure they have overachieved this year after the 0-2 start. They have much more talent than everyone they've played, even with the injuries to Henne and Hart. There is no pressure on them when they are 0-2.

I am interested in the comment that you hope Carr leaves and they fall to Nebraska's level. I wish for that every year.

EasyMoney · Nov 5, 2007

Iceman said:
Let me add I am in no way saying they are a powerhous and should be even ranked in the top 10 but he has got them to overachieve and should be credited for that these past 8 games.

I'm the biggest Michigan fan on the planet, but how can you say Carr has them overachiving this year. Coming into the year Michigan had the best O-lineman in the country as well as one of the best lines overall. They have a 4 year senoir QB and a senior RB that both were talked about for this years heisman. They have a very good WR group and they still lost to App. St. and got blown out by Oregon. And by the way it was because of poor coaching. A real coaching staff would've made adjustments to be able to stop the spread offense. They are hardly overachiving. They were supposed to go 11-1 or 12-0 this year. By starting 0-2 they were underachiving and now that they are winning they are playing like they should've been playing all year. With their talant they should be 10-0 right now. And as far as Carr developing talant, he doesn't do that good of a job. Alot of Michigan players become better players in the NFL than they were in Michigan. Remember a guy named Tom Brady. He was O.K. at Michigan, now that he's got some real coaching in the NFL he's one of the best ever. Bottom line in Michigan is if you don't beat OSU you get heat on you. And while he beat OSU early in his carrer he hasn't in the last 6 years and that will get you fired. Remember Cooper, why did he get fired, because he couldn't beat Michigan. Also while he has a good record against the top 10 in his career most of those wins were early. recently the top 10 teams have worked Michigan over. He is under 500 against the top 10 since '02.

EasyMoney · Nov 5, 2007

PyRo CaPPer said:
:nopityA:......Don't you ppl have anything better to say. That line is worn out.

Ya I'm a little tired of that line myself. It is usually brought out by SEC guys. Tell them to go check their record against the big 10. In fact here it is.

Last year the big 10 was 2-1 against the SEC
since 2004 the big 10 is 5-3 against the SEC
Since 2002 the big 10 is 8-6 against the SEC

Somehow the big 10 has a winning record against the SEC but apparently the SEC is a superior conferance. Oh and don't forget most of those bowl games are basically home games for the SEC school, as almost all the bowl games were played in the south.

cincy_ · Nov 5, 2007

The WHOLE conference is a joke ... answer me this:

What were the 3 biggest non-conference wins for the ENTIRE Big Ten last year?

What are the 3 biggest non-conference wins for the ENTIRE Big Ten this year?

I am not specifying a single team ... I am giving you 11 teams and 35-40 non-conference games ... what were the 3 biggest wins????

I really would like an answer ... but I never get one ... and when I say it's a pathetic little conference, I get shouted down ... this is the one conference IN THE US THAT RUNS AWAY FROM BIG GAMES.

(When you're counting wins, don't count bowl games, because they weren't scheduled ... they were FORCED onto the Big Ten and the Big Ten couldn't run away from them ... and Ohio State wouldn't be allowed to play Kent State and Bowling Green in a bowl game)

Iceman · Nov 5, 2007

EasyMoney said:
I'm the biggest Michigan fan on the planet, but how can you say Carr has them overachiving this year. Coming into the year Michigan had the best O-lineman in the country as well as one of the best lines overall. They have a 4 year senoir QB and a senior RB that both were talked about for this years heisman. They have a very good WR group and they still lost to App. St. and got blown out by Oregon. And by the way it was because of poor coaching. A real coaching staff would've made adjustments to be able to stop the spread offense. They are hardly overachiving. They were supposed to go 11-1 or 12-0 this year. By starting 0-2 they were underachiving and now that they are winning they are playing like they should've been playing all year. With their talant they should be 10-0 right now. And as far as Carr developing talant, he doesn't do that good of a job. Alot of Michigan players become better players in the NFL than they were in Michigan. Remember a guy named Tom Brady. He was O.K. at Michigan, now that he's got some real coaching in the NFL he's one of the best ever. Bottom line in Michigan is if you don't beat OSU you get heat on you. And while he beat OSU early in his carrer he hasn't in the last 6 years and that will get you fired. Remember Cooper, why did he get fired, because he couldn't beat Michigan. Also while he has a good record against the top 10 in his career most of those wins were early. recently the top 10 teams have worked Michigan over. He is under 500 against the top 10 since '02.

This is EXACTLY what I mean. Your comment of with their talent they should be 10-0 right now is so completley absurd. There are only 2 teams in all of D-1 football that are undefeated. So all these teams that aren't undefeated should have their coaches ridiculed. Talk about unrealistic expectations. Sort of sad. They have the 4th longest winning streak in the nation currently, teams are getting beat every week. CFB has completely changed.

Let not forget they lost 4 or 5 defensive players to the top 45 players in the draft last year, this alone would cripple most programs but at Michigan you are supposed to be undefeated.

So what he has a losing record in recent years. The big picture is the big picture and they are ALWAYS a top notch program. Also alot of players are worse in the NFL. Ever hear of any of those running backs doing anything in the pro's, Chris Perry, Anthony Thomas, what about Scott Driesbach, John Navarre.

Bottom line is this a result's business and Michigan is always a top flight program and that is all you can ask a coach to be in todays college football. Willing to bet all but 5 programs in the nation would trade the Michigan success of the past decade for their own's but unfortunately the fans of the Wolverines are NEVER happy.

Not saying this guy is Vince Lombardi but he deserves zero critiscism for the overall state of the program and if anything he deserves credit for how it is ran and how successfull it is every year but you wont find 20% of these fair weather fans give him any credit. Not really worth debating because most have made up their minds on this and anything other than an undefeated season is a huge failure in most fans eyes. Makes no sense to me and is unrealistic.

jjgold · Nov 5, 2007

If Michigan wins out they will finish in top 4 that is amazing after disaster in the beginning of the season.

FairWarning · Nov 5, 2007

cincy_ said:
What were the 3 biggest non-conference wins for the ENTIRE Big Ten last year?

What are the 3 biggest non-conference wins for the ENTIRE Big Ten this year?

I really would like an answer ... but I never get one ... and when I say it's a pathetic little conference, I get shouted down ... this is the one conference IN THE US THAT RUNS AWAY FROM BIG GAMES.

(When you're counting wins, don't count bowl games, because they weren't scheduled ... they were FORCED onto the Big Ten and the Big Ten couldn't run away from them ... and Ohio State wouldn't be allowed to play Kent State and Bowling Green in a bowl game)

#1 Ohio St beating #2 Texas at Texas 24-7
#11 Michigan winning at #2 Notre Dame

Can't give you a third. Probably no different than any other conference however.