At what point will a solid book boot you....

BernieKozar · Nov 11, 2007

.....for winning?
Not that it's something that I'll ever have to be concerned with, but a few of us were discussing the topic today while watching football.
Say you're a $500 bettor, and you get on a hot streak and win $15,000 or so in a few months at a book like Bet Jamaica, Greek, Bookmaker, etc. The wins keep coming......at what point does a book no longer want your business??
I have a lunch riding on the answer, so I'll appreciate a reply from anyone who can speak from experience. I gotta believe it would take a LONG stretch of constant winning before you're shown the door, my buddy thinks otherwise.

JETE · Nov 11, 2007

Its Not From Experience But Ive Heard There Is No

Shut Off At Bookmaker.

Its From A Reliable Source Who Wagers Quite A Bit

Per Game.

punter · Nov 11, 2007

From a big book like that, never they can wait your streak out.

Cusipz · Nov 11, 2007

A 500$ bettor will not get shut down at a top book. 15k over a few months isn't much, they'll want to get even.

Now, if we're talking 1k and over plays, it would depend on the book and the plays. Reduced juice? Steam bets only?

Anti-liberal · Nov 12, 2007

Cusipz said:
A 500$ bettor will not get shut down at a top book. 15k over a few months isn't much, they'll want to get even.

This is not true anymore. I depends on what you're betting. if they see you're playing props and halves and quarters 80% of the time, and winning, there are A+ books that will ask you to move on, even at $500 limits. It recently happened with me.

VIEJODINOSAUR · Nov 12, 2007

Anti-liberal said:
This is not true anymore. I depends on what you're betting. if they see you're playing props and halves and quarters 80% of the time, and winning, there are A+ books that will ask you to move on, even at $500 limits. It recently happened with me.

Hard to believe they asked you to leave...which A+ book was it? I know linesmakers who take advantage of small players beating steam so they wouldn't boot you for that...only thing I have ever seen the top books do is to reduce your limits on line....

Anti-liberal · Nov 12, 2007

VIEJO DINOSAUR said:
Hard to believe they asked you to leave...which A+ book was it? I know linesmakers who take advantage of small players beating steam so they wouldn't boot you for that...only thing I have ever seen the top books do is to reduce your limits on line....

Sorry to spoil the dream.

I'm not going to name the book, for many reasons. One is that they always treated me fairly and with respect, right up until the moment I was asked to move on. I can assure you that I didn't bet bad lines there and I frequently took back when they were heavy on one side and moved their line accordingly (for a whole $500). I did nothing wrong there. They just didn't want to book my style anymore after reviewing my track record with them. I didn't even win that much there, actually. I originated almost all of my plays there, as I'm not spending my time chasing someone else's moves.

MrJ · Nov 12, 2007

I will guess 5dimes.

VIEJODINOSAUR · Nov 12, 2007

Just sounds like the conversation between you and the book went bad after they asked you to leave and then whoever you were talking to got salty and booted you for what they thought was being a prick on the phone....Am I close?

Anti-liberal · Nov 12, 2007

5dimes, no...lol...been there, done that. That was last year.

Anti-liberal · Nov 12, 2007

VIEJO DINOSAUR said:
Just sounds like the conversation between you and the book went bad after they asked you to leave and then whoever you were talking to got salty and booted you for what they thought was being a prick on the phone....Am I close?

Not even close. First of all, when a book asks you to leave, there's not much conversation to be had, really. What are you going to tell them? That you promise to lose more if they let you stay? SPORTSBOOKS ARE NOT DEMOCRACIES. If they don't want you anymore, out the door you go. You say "Thank you" when they pay you what you have coming, and there's not a lot more to it. I can assure you that there was no misunderstandings, accusations or animosity on either one of our parts. I did most of my stuff on the internet and have had very little interaction over the phone with them, and there were never any problems on the few calls I made.

Why is it so hard for some of you to accept that books are deciding to not take action from certain players, especially those who have consistently won year-after-year?

VIEJODINOSAUR · Nov 12, 2007

Only thing that I do not understand is that A+ books boot players...I only know of 4 or 5 A+ books and I have had the pleasure of working for two of them during my 24 years in the business...CRIS and GRANDE...I've seen numerous times when on line accounts have been cut back, but never booted...

Anti-liberal · Nov 12, 2007

These places are taking a fraction of the action they used to take when Neteller was around, and now you have a football season were the same teams cover every week basically (squares winning with NE and over parleys on a weekly basis). Books are not only taking less action...they have been getting beat, and they are doing everything they can to remain profitable. And that means examining who's doing the winning.

Anti-liberal · Nov 12, 2007

VIEJO DINOSAUR said:
Only thing that I do not understand is that A+ books boot players...

They do...what's to not understand? That things change? You're chatting with one of the aforementioned booted..

VIEJODINOSAUR · Nov 12, 2007

Too many beancounters in the industry nowadays in offshore, instead of bookmakers...but on the otherhand, alot of educated squares on the betting side also...JMHO

Anti-liberal · Nov 12, 2007

VIEJO DINOSAUR said:
Too many beancounters in the industry nowadays in offshore, instead of bookmakers...but on the otherhand, alot of educated squares on the betting side also...JMHO

You hit the nail on the head, finally.

VIEJODINOSAUR · Nov 12, 2007

FINALLY?? Known this for the past few years...but really it has gotten worse in the past year...try putting players in some of these mediorcre books...the owners want their life history and the first question they ask are they winning or losing players...seems to me that a sharp book can distinguish sharp money and can book accordingly...I remember what the main man at an A+ book once told me...players win and players lose, he didn't care who won so long as the losers paid....

nhoj · Nov 12, 2007

Yesterday was great day to be a bookmaker. 1st week of this year that the favorites all had bad days. Only hit was the Cowboys. Player are cleaning up on New England and the over, Dallas cowboys,Pitsburgh has been good for them every week but 2 and Indy has done well for the player. I know a few top books that cut limits not sure if they cut you off but then again if your a $1000 Player and they limit you $200 a game it is close to being cut off.

Anti-liberal said:
These places are taking a fraction of the action they used to take when Neteller was around, and now you have a football season were the same teams cover every week basically (squares winning with NE and over parleys on a weekly basis). Books are not only taking less action...they have been getting beat, and they are doing everything they can to remain profitable. And that means examining who's doing the winning.

eoghater · Nov 12, 2007

I never heard of people being booted out of WSEX for their professional action.

Heartman · Nov 12, 2007

I deposited $329 with wagerweb in Feb. of 2005. I bet Nascar only and built my bankroll to 14,000 by feb. 2006. They were moving match-ups and totals 15 cents on every $100 wager I made. They cut my limits to $20 max wager in Feb 2006. I then decided to bet the board, about 70 picks a week at $20 a pop and won about 1200 over a 3 month period doing this. They still moved their match-ups and totals 15 cents on every $20 wager I made. True story!