Is There A Bigger Pos Than John Bolton?

This guy was an Ambassador to the UN. Now his job is to go on every show he can get on and spout sh*t about lets bomb Iran. Remember- Bolton was was one of the original signers of the PNAC doctrine. They want to nuke Iran.

On Hardball he counters another guests contention that Iran is not in the business of commiting suicide by attacking Israel with a nuclear weapon even if they had one.
Chris mattews agrees and says "Do you think its worth it to bomb Iran and start another war over this nuke business. I mean , theres alot of Iranians who like this country and want to come over here and go to our universities and like the American way of life and dont like the Mullahs. Do you really think its a wise move want to give them their own 9/11 and make them want to rise up and strike back at us in ways that may hurt our chances to ever be succcessful in Iraq?"

The beady eyed POS smirks and says "Listen, I give these people more credit for being smart over this issue than you do Chris. Im sure they know that an attack on their nuclear facilities would nor be regarded as an attack on the Iranian people."

WHAT!!!!!!


Chris says back something like "You chickenhawk guys are always saying this stuff and I think youre dead wrong. The fact is if we bomb them they would take it very personally and would want to defend their country and strike back in every way they can. Its called patriotism."


On FOX news with O'liarly or Fannyty he'd get bobbled headed agreement after saying such crap. The guys a mental case who should be commited to the nearest insane asylym for his own good.

Yes

AJ, OBL & the 9/11 Truthers

YES ... bigger POS is the moron who thinks that Bolton is a good interview.

When I saw he was on Hardball, I switched to the basketball game.

Bolton is right on the money -- as always. And the smart money says he'll be the next Sec of State or National Security Adviser in a Rudy, Mitt or Thompson administration.

On the other hand, if Democrats win....well...

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Walker's World: A Mideast nuclear war?

Published: Nov. 21, 2007 at 11:00 AM

By MARTIN WALKER

UPI Editor Emeritus

WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- Anthony Cordesman may be the most influential man in Washington that most people have never heard of. A former director of intelligence assessment for the secretary of defense and director of policy and planning in the Department of Energy, he is now the top strategic guru at the Center for Strategic & International Studies.

Most serious politicians and journalists have for some years based their analyses of the Iraq war and its aftermath on his universally respected research. Cordesman is a facts man who likes and reveres good data and cool, clinical analysis as the keystones of policymaking.

He has now turned his laser-like research and forensic intelligence skills to studying the real implication of the endless diplomatic minuet at the United Nations over Iran's nuclear ambitions. In the real world, this matters mainly because an Iranian nuclear capability would transform the power balance in the wider Middle East, and leave the region and the rest of us living under the constant prospect of a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel.

This would mean, Cordesman suggests, some 16 million to 28 million Iranians dead within 21 days, and between 200,000 and 800,000 Israelis dead within the same time frame. The total of deaths beyond 21 days could rise very much higher, depending on civil defense and public health facilities, where Israel has a major advantage.

It is theoretically possible that the Israeli state, economy and organized society might just survive such an almost-mortal blow. Iran would not survive as an organized society. "Iranian recovery is not possible in the normal sense of the term," Cordesman notes.

The difference in the death tolls is largely because Israel is believed to have more nuclear weapons of very much higher yield (some of 1 megaton), and Israel is deploying the Arrow advanced anti-missile system in addition to its Patriot batteries. Fewer Iranian weapons would get through.

The difference in yield matters. The biggest bomb that Iran is expected to have is 100 kilotons, which can inflict third-degree burns on exposed flesh at 8 miles; Israel's 1-megaton bombs can inflict third-degree burns at 24 miles. Moreover, the radiation fallout from an airburst of such a 1-megaton bomb can kill unsheltered people at up to 80 miles within 18 hours as the radiation plume drifts. (Jordan, by the way, would suffer severe radiation damage from an Iranian strike on Tel Aviv.)

Cordesman assumes that Iran, with less than 30 nuclear warheads in the period after 2010, would aim for the main population centers of Tel Aviv and Haifa, while Israel would have more than 200 warheads and far better delivery systems, including cruise missiles launched from its 3 Dolphin-class submarines.

The assumption is that Israel would be going for Iran's nuclear development centers in Tehran, Natanz, Ardekan, Saghand, Gashin, Bushehr, Aral, Isfahan and Lashkar A'bad. Israel would also likely target the main population centers of Tehran, Tabriz, Qazvin, Isfahan, Shiraz, Yazd, Kerman, Qom, Ahwaz and Kermanshah. Cordesman points out that the city of Tehran, with a population of 15 million in its metropolitan area, is "a topographic basin with mountain reflector. Nearly ideal nuclear killing ground."

But it does not end there. Cordesman points out that Israel would need to keep a "reserve strike capability to ensure no other power can capitalize on Iranian strike." This means Israel would have to target "key Arab neighbors" -- in particular Syria and Egypt.

Cordesman notes that Israel would have various options, including a limited nuclear strike on the region mainly inhabited by the Alawite minority from which come the ruling Assad dynasty. A full-scale Israeli attack on Syria would kill up to 18 million people within 21 days; Syrian recovery would not be possible. A Syrian attack with all its reputed chemical and biological warfare assets could kill up to 800,000 Israelis, but Israeli society would recover.

An Israeli attack on Egypt would likely strike at the main population centers of Cairo, Alexandria, Damietta, Port Said, Suez, Luxor and Aswan. Cordesman does not give a death toll here, but it would certainly be in the tens of millions. It would also destroy the Suez Canal and almost certainly destroy the Aswan dam, sending monstrous floods down the Nile to sweep away the glowing rubble. It would mean the end of Egypt as a functioning society.

Cordesman also lists the oil wells, refineries and ports along the Gulf that could also be targets in the event of a mass nuclear response by an Israel convinced that it was being dealt a potentially mortal blow. Being contained within the region, such a nuclear exchange might not be Armageddon for the human race; it would certainly be Armageddon for the global economy.

So in clear, concise and chillingly forensic style, Cordesman spells out that the real stakes in the crisis that is building over Iran's nuclear ambitions would certainly include the end of Persian civilization, quite probably the end of Egyptian civilization, and the end of the Oil Age. This would also mean the end of globalization and the extraordinary accretions in world trade and growth and prosperity that are hauling hundreds of millions of Chinese and Indians and others out of poverty.

Cordesman concludes his chilling but dismayingly logical survey with the warning: "The only way to win is not to play."
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You guys think it's wise to play this kind of dangerous game? Know this: future generations will never forgive us.

Ponder THAT gruesome reality, you appeasing "anti-war" freaks.

Thats why no-one wants to help you guys in the middle east.

Your government is nuts.

You elected a bunch of Christian jihadists in suits.

eek. said:

Thats why no-one wants to help you guys in the middle east.

Your government is nuts.

You elected a bunch of Christian jihadists in suits.

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We don't need other countries as long as we have a volunteer army ...

... if we ever have a draft ... well ... that is another story.

John Bolton tells it like it is.

eek. said:

You elected a bunch of Christian jihadists in suits.

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:lolBIG:, I was under the impression we elected a bunch of Defense/Oil lobbyists and contractors

There is no bigger POS on the planet than Chris Matthews.

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Exactly - and carnival barkers like this deluded POS are proving to the world again and again that Neo-Conservativism is a mental disorder...


Same line of thinking had him on the the "Iraqis will welcome us as liberators" idea.

That was right on the money right Joe? Right Base?

Yep- the Iranians wouldnt take it personally at all if we made a big hole in their country. Bomb away U.S.A. You got the green light from us!


Wrong again Johnny Nutandbolton head !


No wonder they took his job away. Even the U.N. considers him too dangerous to himself and others...:missingte

POS we sure have a lot of neocons to choose from Bush or that inept congress!

Total Recall said:

Yep -- the Iranians wouldnt take it personally at all if we made a big hole in their country. Bomb away U.S.A. You got the green light from us!

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We're not attacking the Iranian people. We're going to be doing massive precision air strikes against their nuclear installations, ballistic missile sites, Revolutionary Guard bases, and their naval assets. Collateral damage will be limited.

Anyway, there's been a significant uptick in fuel shipments heading to the region (similar reports were made before Afghanistan and Iraq) so it's almost Hammer Time.

Looking forward to seeing the new mega 16 ton penetration bomb and other classified goodies in action.

This one will make "shock and awe" look like your Uncle Tom's backyard on the 4th of July. It promises to be quite a show! I hope the Navy broadcasts in High Definition!

What we?

JoeC you part of the inept neocon jforce planning staff for the attack on Iran for Israel!

Anything for Izzy!

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We're not attacking the Iranian people. We're going to be doing massive precision air strikes against their nuclear installations, ballistic missile sites, Revolutionary Guard bases, and their naval assets. Collateral damage will be limited.

Anyway, there's been a significant uptick in fuel shipments heading to the region (similar reports were made before Afghanistan and Iraq) so it's almost Hammer Time.

Looking forward to seeing the new mega 16 ton penetration bomb and other classified goodies in action.

This one will make "shock and awe" look like your Uncle Tom's backyard on the 4th of July. It promises to be quite a show! I hope the Navy broadcasts in High Definition!
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Why are you making me watch that POS again?

When Matthews made the astute observation that all of the Neocons, and certainly John Bolton were a symptom of an incredibly infantile and suggestibly retarded mentality, he was infering they are lacking the social gene that would understand the power, as they have never done, towards the Iraqis, Muslims in general, or the American people as a whole, of tribal thought, Bolton had no answer. The kind of thought that says killing another group of people from another zip code can be taken personally by said dead people and their families. That it can turn an ordinary man, say, an Iraqi or an Iranian, into a patriotic terrorist insurgent by the millions, is simply beyond Boltons capacity to understand.. This is why everything the Neos do turns out to be wrong, whether it be Cheneys same lack of understanding regarding his "last throes theory" on the ferocity and largess of the insurgency in Iraq, or Kissengers similar lackings with Vietnam. Do we want to go 3 for 3 with Iran?



Attacking Iran would not solve our problems in the ME. Joe and the Neos want to hit that bees nest with a baseball bat and see what happens. It will compound our problems, to the Nth degree, by all the reasons cited during the exchange. Hopefully, tapes witnessing provateuring POS like Bolton this will be used in classrooms in the distant future, when the clip can be used as an educational tool. It will be used to recognize this fatal flaw in the Neos, and their political ideologies, which never reasonated well in the ave americans mind, and eventually lead to them being kicked out of power for good. If they werent despised by all persons who can think clearly, we might pity their inability to understand or accept nationalistic patriotism as an important factor in quelling any fomented insurgency.


ANYTHING a Neocon suggests can only lead to failure in doing so. that is their legacy and bolton was suddenly aware he wasnt in Kansas anymore with his foxy friends Hannity and Oreilly. Bolton was smacked down good by Chrissy Poo, even as he tried shameless to squack out a last pitch at the end. No character, no brains, no shame. Ahh the life of a Neo just isnt the same anymore is it Joe?

To even consider listening to their wrongheaded ideas when the urge to attack becomes a sick obsession for these lameduck roll the dicers is wrong. They want your mind made up- yep- "its a fine idea to attack iran, a good idea alright, frankly its a great idea, this attack idea, and the more I think about it the more i like it."


The fingers are crossed in Tel aviv on this one. You can tell because Joe never passes a chance to do the dirty work of the Zionist lobby, a true diplomat he is...


The fact is, Joes fancy tale of precision air strikes is pure unadulterated mendacity. The bunkers are deeper than even a low level nuke can reach, there may be thousands. They had to come up with a new plan. Here it is- get this. The Neos plan now is to destroy the entire military of Iran- the Army with all its hardware, and the Navy, from ship to shore batteries, the works. That will take a bit longer than a few well placed smart bombs in the sand can do Joe. Such a deceiver I have never encountered. Oh, the top brass think the plan is nuts, and it will never happen. Want to bet it dont happen Joe? Oh-you didnt know? I think we all know better than that dont you? Ask Abazaid- they think you Neos are nuts...and theyre right...:nohead:

Odds Against Iran Being Attacked By The Usa- I Trillion To One At Pinny


How Long Has It Been Since Joe C. Has Been Spinning This As A "done Deal" 6-12-18 Months Now?


Thr Truth Hurts Doesnt It Josie ?