Ron Paul in his own words

I was on the shitter reading the new Rolling Stone the other day when I saw thier interview with Ronny.Im sure some of this is just repeating the same old shit but even if thats the case his lack of knowledge regarding Iraq/Afg is frightening to say the least,but even more scary given the post hes looking to fill.

So here is the interview I lifted from their site.

Hes got no chance-hes no Republican.

What do you make of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and current U.S. posturing toward Iran?

He's a loudmouth, and he hurts their cause. But we help his cause when we gang up against him. When we pass sanctions against him, the dissidents in Iran who would like to get rid of him rally around him for nationalistic reasons.

We get hysterical over a guy who doesn't have a single weapon, and nobody's proven that he's ever violated the arms-nonproliferation treaty. Matter of fact, the International Atomic Energy Agency is going to have an agreement with him by the end of the year. That's why you have all of this warmongering going on: It is to try to find an excuse to start bombing him before they prove that he doesn't have a chance of having a weapon. That's exactly what we did with Iraq. I'm scared to death they're getting ready to do that with Iran.

The Bush administration says Iran is supporting the Iraqi insurgency. How much can we trust that assessment?

About as much as what we heard about Iraq before the war. What was true about that? Very, very little, if anything. They're capable of telling us anything if they want to go to war. And that's what they want.
Whether the Iranians have helped the insurgency or not is almost irrelevant from my viewpoint. Why wouldn't they have an interest? It's like saying that if the Russians were in Mexico, we wouldn't have an interest in who wins that war. We'd have every right. They're the next-door neighbor.

But the administration alleges that the Iranians aren't just backing the Shia against the Sunni — they are complicit in the slaughter of our soldiers.

I haven't seen any proof of that. They're assuming that it's true, but that's part of the war hysteria that's going on.

Giuliani seems to be the warmonger in chief — leading the drumbeat for war with Iran. What would a Giuliani presidency mean for our national security?

If someone is unhappy with the Bush policy, they would find Giuliani's would be even more extreme. But since Giuliani is so anxious to go to war, somebody ought to ask him why he didn't go when he was called up instead of ducking it like some of those other chicken hawks — he took, what, four deferrals?

The kids today are expected to go because Giuliani likes this stuff. But whether it's Cheney or Giuliani, these guys think it's quite proper to go to war when they feel like it. But they never had to expose themselves.

In a recent debate, you blasted Mike Huckabee for supporting the war, saying we're only staying in Iraq "to save face." But wouldn't leaving Iraq be a propaganda victory for bin Laden?

Everything is much worse if we stay. Right now they're very content to bleed us in Iraq. Bleed us financially and by killing Americans. We lose lives, we spend money we don't have, it furthers our financial crisis. The longer we're there, the stronger Al Qaeda gets. Our being there is the greatest incentive *conceivable to help Osama bin Laden. The evidence is very clear. There's more Al Qaeda now than before. Which means we're in greater danger of being hit by terrorists than before.

Besides, who are the people telling us there'll be problems if we leave? The same ones who said it would be a *cakewalk. What kind of credibility do they have?

You talk about limiting the size of government. How much of the Pentagon's budget would you ax?

We are now spending close to a trillion dollars a year, when you add up every single thing we do overseas. You could start off easily cutting $100 billion. Bring the troops home, you could save $200 billion the next year. And maybe $250 billion the year after that.

Quit paying to blow up bridges in Iraq and then paying to rebuild them. Bring that money home. Our bridges are falling down. Our levees are falling down. The only way we can get enough money is by stopping this insane foreign policy of running this empire that we can't afford. Policing the world? It's impossible.

I say, just quit it. Let's come home. Bring the troops home. Quit spending the money. Get rid of selective service. Don't have the draft. And no more wars like this. It's a real tragedy and a real black mark on our record.

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There is very little in the way of accuracy here.Any Ron Paul supporter who says otherwise can feel free to point out whre hes right.He is once again saying only what he wants his base to hear even if its blatantly wrong.

Look at the simplicity of his assessments of whats going on in Iraq,blowing up bridges to rebuild them? Is he insane?

No proof of Iran meddling in Iraq,Iran not actively involved in the killing of US soldiers there.Im not even sure you Paul supporters can bite on this one.

And an agreement with the IAEA? lol...how many agreements has Mahmoud already pissed on....this is who Paul wants us to put the worlds safety in,the UNs hands again? And sanctions wont even be considered under a Paul presidency never mind military action.Its clear that Ron Paul has no familiarity with the leadership in Iran and that, once again makes for some very scary stuff.

All the money in the world cant get this guy the GOP nom and a third party run will only prolong his eventual disappearence.Rumor has it hes toast in Texas (Texas Toast..lol) as well so maybe Alex Jones will hook him up.

Yes, the man is certifiably insane and pandering to a niche market: those who never outgrew their coloring books, Etch-A-Sketches and action figure dolls.

Essentially, his response is Bush lied about everything.

He used hysteria a lot, said nothing of substance.

Totally ignores all the news coming out of Iraq, that's all a big lie too I suppose.

Accused Rudy of "liking this stuff" (wars), and Ron Paul is supposed to be the "honest intellect", RIGHT.

But the bestest of everything he said / suggested:Everything in Iraq is going the way Al-Q planned, they're winning, they're bleeding us dry.

The more I learn about OB Ron, the more senile he looks.

:wierdo:

Ron Paul is to foreign policy what *blank* is to medicine.

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Posted on Thu, Nov. 22, 2007
S. Iraq's Shiites want Iran to get out



BY AMIT R. PALEY AND SUDARSAN RAGHAVAN
Washington Post

More than 300,000 Shiite Muslims from southern Iraq have signed a petition condemning Iran for fomenting violence in Iraq, according to a group of sheiks leading the campaign.

"The Iranians, in fact, have taken over all of south Iraq," said a senior tribal leader from the south who spoke on condition of anonymity because he feared for his life. "Their influence is everywhere."

The unusually organized Iraqi rebuke illustrates the divisions that Iran has provoked among Iraq's majority Shiites. The prime minister and major political blocs are closely tied to Iran, but the petition organizers said many citizens are fiercely opposed to Iranian meddling in Iraqi affairs.

Several sheiks leading the campaign traveled to the capital from the southern province of Diwaniyah and showed the Washington Post and other news organizations an electronic file filled with images of signatures they said endorsed the petition. Their effort is being supported by the People's Mujaheddin Organization of Iran, or Mujaheddin-e Khalq, an Iranian opposition group that is listed by the U.S. government as a terrorist organization but that nonetheless enjoys U.S. military protection in Iraq.

The petition, which the organizers said was signed by 600 sheiks, calls on the United Nations to send a delegation to investigate what it termed crimes committed by Iran and its proxies in southern Iraq.

"The most painful stab in the back of the Shiites in Iraq by the Iranian regime has been its shameful abuse of Shiite religion to achieve its ominous end," the sheiks said. "The only solution and hopeful prospect for Iraq, and in particular the southern provinces, is the eviction of the Iranian regime from our homeland."

The campaign echoes repeated pronouncements by U.S. officials that Iran has been instigating violence in Iraq and allowing weapons to flow across the border, though U.S. officials have said in recent weeks that Iran appeared to be honoring a pledge to clamp down on weapons smuggling.

Meanwhile, scattered violence across Iraq on Wednesday left at least 15 people dead, an Interior Ministry official said.

The U.S. military announced that an American soldier and an Iraqi interpreter were killed Tuesday by a roadside bomb. The military said the attack, which wounded three other soldiers, was caused by an explosively formed penetrator, a weapon that U.S. officials believe is manufactured in Iran.

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Iran gives IAEA nuclear weapon blueprints



Last Updated: 7:00am GMT 14/11/2007


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Diplomats at the International Atomic Energy Agency said the apparent concession was intended to head off the threat of new UN sanctions.

The existence of the blueprints was revealed two years ago. But Teheran has promised to answer a series of queries about its nuclear programme, which it claims is intended only to generate energy for civilian purposes.

Handing over the blueprints, which can only be for military use, represents the first step towards meeting the demands of the UN nuclear agency.

Governors of the IAEA meet in Vienna next week to discuss the latest report on Iran by the agency's chief Mohamed ElBaradei.

The move by Teheran will be seen as an attempt to head off deeper UN sanctions. But it is unlikely to deter Britain and the United States from pressing for tough action from the UN Security Council.

Diplomats said that the Iranians had failed to meet other key IAEA requests for clarification about their nuclear programme.

The agency had been seeking possession of the blueprints since 2005, when its inspectors stumbled upon them among a batch of other documents during its examination of suspect nuclear activities.

While the inspectors had been allowed to examine them in the country, Teheran had up to now refused to let the IAEA have a copy for closer perusal.

Diplomats said the drawings were handed over in Vienna last week by Mohammad Saeedi, the deputy director of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation.

Iran maintains it was given the papers without asking for them during its black market purchases of nuclear equipment decades ago that now serve as the backbone of its programme to enrich uranium - a process that can generate power or create the fissile core of nuclear warheads.

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Why the deception? Why the evasive tactics? Why the blatant stonewalling? Why the dismissal of internation support? .....if its all for 'peaceful' purposes?

Iran is dangling carrots in front of the IAEA,it should be the other way around.

You folks cannot be this stupid.
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QUESTIONER: “Congressman, if you were not running, right now, for office, is there a current candidate that you would identify with most and who would you vote for yourself?”

RON PAUL: "There’s been some that hinted that they might run... that’s Chuck Hagel... I don’t know a lot about his other programs, but because foreign policy to me is so important. On the Democratic side, it just happens that Dennis Kucinich is a good friend of mine."

Ron Paul on strong national defense: Clinton didn't cut deep enough...

Ron Paul Survival Report

May 15, 1993

Volume IX Number 5

Page 6

Defense Cuts?

In spite of all the rhetoric minimal cuts will be made in the military budget. The "savings" are gained by cutting back on proposed increases. For 1994 Clinton has asked for $278 billion. That's only $2 billion less than Bush had requested. Over the next five years, Clinton has proposed an additional $12 billion more than Bush had asked fior. And that doesn't mean that it will happen. Essentially Clinton's proposals will maintain military spending at Cold War levels over the next five years, to exceed $1.3 trillion. In the past it was thought that liberals were less interventionist overseas because they represented the anti-war movement in the 1960s. However, most of this anti-war movement was motivated by not wanting to fight communism, not principled anti-interventionism. Today the liberals and the Democrats are much more interventionist than the Republicans and the conservatives. This policy of intenventionism overseas, with the absence of a Soviet menace, encourages the building of a coalition between the Old Right and libertarians in presenting the constitutional case for "minding our own business."

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"Constitutional case"...

This guy is worse than Roe v. Wade supporters. hno:

yeah, what is ron paul thinking not trusting intelligence coming out of iraq. he should have learned after how many people this administration saved by finding those horrible WMDs. he needs to get line and follow blindly.

You guys should just get a room

HERE IS RON PAUL IN HIS OWN WORDS !!!

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Interventionism? Isolationism? Actually, Both
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Restoring the Constitution
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Taxing Ourselves to Death
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Ron Paul's Foreign Policy
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No Taxes on Tips
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Congress, Keep Your Hands Off
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What the Fed Has Done to Us
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Surrender Should Not Be an Option
Ron Paul on the war.

Solving the Malpractice Crisis Constitutionally
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Congressional Accountability
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Health Care Costs
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Ron Paul Debates the War
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Decaying Infrastructure
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Why the Credit Markets Are a Mess
Ron Paul on the culprit.

High-Risk Spending
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Fear
Ron Paul on big government's best friend.

Exposing the True Isolationists
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Muzzle the FDA
Ron Paul on protecting health freedom.

Globalism
Ron Paul on what it means, and what it should mean.

Bring Our Troops Home Now
Ron Paul on why the Democrats are also wrong.

Hans F. Sennholz, RIP
Ron Paul remembers a great economist.

Defend the Constitution
Ron Paul on the dangerous presidential signing statements.

The Spirit of Independence
Ron Paul on how to recover it.

Missing in the Stem-Cell Debate
The rights of taxpayers.

Ron Paul Against Aggression
And lying war propaganda to justify it.

Ron Paul on Non-Intervention
The original American foreign policy (YouTubes).

Hollow Victory
Ron Paul on earmarks.

The Ron Paul Economics Library
Here's where to start.

Ron Paul's Summer Reading List
What you need to know.

Stop Procrastinating
Get out of Iraq.

The Immigration Compromise
It's a sell-out, says Ron Paul.

The Patriotism Smear
Ron Paul dissents from authoritarian government.

How To End the War
Ron Paul has a moderate plan.

Expensive Security Theatre
Ron Paul on another DC fraud.

Crazed Hate Crime Laws
They threaten freedom.

The Path Out of Iraq
First, Congress must admit its crime of giving the Executive war-making power, says Ron Paul.

Guns vs. Crime
Ron Paul on the massacre that could have been stopped.

Where's the Exit?
Ron Paul on the one easy step in getting out of Iraq.

The Answer to Racism
Liberty, not government, says Ron Paul.

The Most Dangerous Monopolist
Ron Paul on the Federal Reserve.

The Big Book of Crimes
Ron Paul on the 2008 federal budget.

Making Iraq Even Worse
Ron Paul on the Democrats.

War Is the Enemy of Freedom
Ron Paul interviewed by Michael Shank.

Dr. No on More War Funding
No, says Ron Paul.

Don't Blame the Market
For the housing bubble, says Ron Paul.

The Original American Foreign Policy
Ron Paul on why it's still the right one.

The Right To Keep and Bear Arms
Even (especially?) in DC.

The Scandal of US Foreign Policy
And the scandal of Walter Reed.

The Coming Meltdown
Of "entitlements."

What the Fed Is Doing to the Economy
Ron Paul on Bernanke's mischief.

The Neoconservative Empire
Stop the war, stop threatening war, and bring the troops home now. Article by Ron Paul.

Stop!
Ron Paul advises President Bush.

More War Spending
And more, and more.

Stop Glorifying Political Power
It's the enemy of the rule of law, says Ron Paul.

Everybody Supports the Troops
Let's move on to the real issues.

Monetary Depreciation and Killing
Ron Paul on inflation and war finance.

Stop All Foreign Aid to Israel, Egypt, Jordan, et al.
That would be a contribution to peace, says Ron Paul.

Will Bush Pull an LBJ?
Will he phony up an Iranian Gulf of Tonkin incident?

George the Warmonger
Ron Paul on the escalations.

No Welfare for Foreigners
Welfare for domestics is quite bad enough.

We Need a Surge of Liberty
Not more tyranny of war, says Ron Paul.

Don't Blame the Euro
Blame the Congress and the Fed, says Ron Paul.

Foreign Policy and the Prince of Peace
Or do they worship the Prince of War?

George Washington Was Right
It's long past time to return to his foreign policy, says Ron Paul.

Is Foreign Policy a One-Man Show?
Yes, but that is unconstitutional.

'The' Problem
It's monetary inflation, says Ron Paul.

Time To Abolish 'Selective Service'
Military slavery is always a pure evil.

The Land of the Free Lunch
It will, or ought to, miss Milton Friedman, says Ron Paul.

The Entitlement State is Coming Down
Ron Paul on the demographic reality.

The Gun Controllers Haven't Given Up
We must keep our powder dry, says Ron Paul.

The Waco Summit
And the Nafta superhighway.

Do Tax Cuts Cost the Government Money?
That is the wrong question, says Ron Paul.

Taxes, Spending, and Debt
Ron Paul on the real issues.

'Birthright Citizenship'
Time to rethink it, says Ron Paul.

Diagnosing Our Health Care Woes
Dr. Ron Paul on the government disease.

Amnesty and the Welfare State
Ron Paul on immigration.

Time for Immigration Reform
Now, says Ron Paul.

Big Government Always Fails
And must. Ron Paul on the Law of Opposites.

A North American United Nations?
Ron Paul on another establishment scheme.

Ron Paul vs. Ben Bernanke
On "plunge protection," fiat money, and the Fed.

Want To Cut Medical Costs?
Here's how, says Ron Paul.

Trade With China, Yes
Subsidized trade, no.

The Threat of Property Taxes
Especially rising ones.

What Congress Can Do About High Gas Prices
Stop making war.

Why I Voted Against the Israeli Resolution
It's dangerous and wrong, says Ron Paul.

The Yoke of the Fed
Ron Paul on the inflation tax.

Your Enemy, the Fed
Ron Paul on what it does to your savings.

Time for a New Declaration
Ron Paul on what we have forgotten.

Undermining the Regime
Ron Paul on why the American people are so angry.

Global Gun Control
Having failed in the US, the disarmers try the UN.

Congress Rejects UN Taxes
But not, unfortunately, US taxes.

The Estate Tax Is a Social and Moral Evil
Abolish it, says Ron Paul.

Bipartisan Evil
Ron Paul on the annual foreign-aid ripoff.

Stop the NAIS
Ron Paul on the totalitarian animal ID system.

Don't Commit the Crime
Ron Paul on avoiding war with Iran.

Thanks, Ben
Ron Paul on the declining dollar and eroding personal savings.

Upset at Gas Prices?
Look at US foreign and monetary policy, says Ron Paul.

Soaring Gas Prices
Ron Paul on what Congress can do about them.

The Only Worthwhile Foreign Aid
Private.

The 'Academic Bill of Rights'
It's a trick to suppress dissent on US foreign policy, says Ron Paul.

The Sicker and Sicker Dollar
Ron Paul on what the gold price is telling us.

Rumsfeld Is Not the Issue
The government's use of force is.

Hands Off Iran
And no murderous sanctions either, says Ron Paul.

Your Money or Your Life
Ron Paul on April 15th.

The Next Neocon Target
Ron Paul on Iran.

Should the Children of Illegal Aliens Be Citizens?
Stop "birthright citizenship," says Ron Paul.

A Tribute to the Late Harry Browne
Ron Paul on a great libertarian.

Making the World Safe for Christianity
Thanks, neocons.

The Perils of Economic Ignorance
And what to do about it.

Another 'Emergency' Spending Bill
Thanks, Republicans.

The Nature of Government Debt
Those who borrow never repay.

International Taxes?
Ron Paul on a UN scheme.

Bringing Sunshine to Mordor
Ron Paul on opening up Congress.

The Port Security Controversy
Constitutionally, this is not the president's decision, says Ron Paul.

The Federal Hurricane
Ron Paul on Katrina relief, six months later.

Silence the War Drums!
Ron Paul to the congressional Gene Krupas.

Why the US Hates Iraq, Iran, and Venezuela
Ron Paul on the end of dollar hegemony.

A Real DC Scandal
Ron Paul on the Fed.

Abortion Is None of the Feds' Business
Same with all social policy, says Ron Paul.

New Rules, Same Game
Ron Paul on congressional "reform."

Federal Courts vs. Freedom
Ron Paul on the growth of government power.

The Real DC Scandal
It's the leviathan state, says Ron Paul.

A Symptom Not a Cause
Ron Paul on DC scandals.

Peace and Prosperity in 2006?
Only if we limit the feds.

Big George
Ron Paul on domestic surveillance and the Patriot Act.

The Proper American Foreign Policy
It would favor peace over war, trade over sanctions, courtesy over arrogance, and liberty over coercion.

What Do Rising Gold Prices Mean?
Less faith in the paper dollar.

Rothbard vs. Bernanke
Ron Paul on continuing Fed propaganda, and the antidote.

So-Called Deficit Reduction
Ron Paul on another Republican fraud.

Slashing the Budget?
Don't make me laugh.

The Trouble With Federal Deposit 'Insurance'
And increasing it in the name of decreasing government spending.

The FDA Suppresses Speech on Dietary Supplements
Ron Paul wants health freedom.

Too Little, Too Late
Ron Paul on spendaholic conservatives and their talk of cutting back.

The Evil of Foreign Aid
Ron Paul on a bipartisan scam.

Big Lies and Little Lies
Ron Paul on the phony justifications for aggressive war.

George Reisman Is Right
We need a free market in gasoline, says Ron Paul.

Hands Off Syria
Stop the foreign-policy lunacy.

The GSE Crisis
Stop pumping up the bubble!

Picking the Pennies Off Dead Men's Eyes
Will the death tax ever be repealed?

Another Tax Reform Fraud
It's government spending we need to cut first, says Ron Paul.

Federal Courts Are Political
Ron Paul on the Miers nomination.

Should We Stop Killing and Being Killed?
Ron Paul on leaving vs. staying.

Deficit Hurricane
Ron Paul on the DC spendathon.

Coming Cat 5 Hurricane
Financial, that is.

Cat-5 Government
Ron Paul on the response to Katrina.

The Evil of Standing Armies
Ron Paul on "why we fight." And why we really do.

Some Things You're Not Supposed To Think About
Ron Paul on gasoline, taxes, and Middle East policy.

Hey, Big Spender
Ron Paul on the feds.

Borrowing, Spending, Counterfeiting
Ron Paul on the federal parasite.

The Answer to Judicial Tyranny
Strip the federal courts of their power, as the constitution allows, says Ron Paul.

Immigration and the Welfare State
Ron Paul on the nexus.

The Sausage Factory
Make that the poison-sausage factory. Ron Paul on how federal edicts are imposed on us.

Questioning Greenspan
Ron Paul vs. the Counterfeiter-in-Chief, 1997-2005.

Advancing the Police State
Ron Paul on the 4th anniversary of the Patriot Act.

Ron Paul and Alan Greenspan
Mr. Sound Money vs. the Counterfeiter-in-Chief.

Don't Start a Trade War With China
Ron Paul on the protectionist menace.

Don't Expand the Police State
Ron Paul on the Patriot Act.

The Party of Big Government
Ron Paul on the Republicans.

Suicide Terrorism
Ron Paul on how to stop it.

Cafta and the War on Supplements
Ron Paul on globalists together.

What Should America Do For Africa?
Not have our politicians send their politicians our money, says Ron Paul.

We Have No Jurisdiction in 'Kelo'
Ron Paul on what the Supremes should have said, and the war on property.

The Psycho State
Ron Paul on federal "mental health" screening for school children.

The UN Cannot Be Reformed
Because it is inherently illegitimate, says Ron Paul.

Global Central Planning
Ron Paul's speech on the floor of Congress about the WTO.

Conservatives Expand UN
To use it for conservative world government.

More Government, Less Free Trade
Ron Paul on CAFTA.

Questions for Greenspan
The famed Q&A between Ron Paul and the Fed chairman, 1997-2004.

Missing the Point
Ron Paul on federal funding of stem-cell research.

The Guilty Fed
Ron Paul on dollar erosion.

Get Out of the WTO
We need free trade, not world government, says Ron Paul.

No More Bank Bailouts
Not by the taxpayers.

Don't Believe the Lies
About a "national ID." It is meant to control you, not terrorism or illegal immigration, says Ron Paul.

Repeal the Patriot Act
Ron Paul on the federal powergrab and moneygrab.

Health Freedom
Don't let the FDA restrict our dietary supplements, says Ron Paul.

Why Fund UNESCO?
Ron Paul wants to know.

Being Pro-Life and Pro-War
It doesn't work, Ron Paul tells conservatives.

The Ordeal
And the hypocrites.

Defender of Life
Ron Paul on John Paul II.

The Iraqi People Are Worse Off
Despite administration propaganda, says Ron Paul.

The Pro-Life Movement
It must be a matter of changing hearts, not an empowered central state, says Ron Paul.

Patriotic Extortion
Ron Paul on the drunken-sailor spending.

Deficits Make You Poorer
Ron Paul tries to teach the Republicans a little economics.

Tax Reform Is a Shell Game
Ron Paul on why Lew Rockwell is right.

The Maestro Changes His Tune
Ron Paul on Alan Greenspan and gold.

The Federal Trojan Horse
Ron Paul on the national ID.

Your Papers, Citizen!
Ron Paul on the totalitarian national ID.

Democracy Isn't Freedom
In Iraq or America.

Psycho Feds Target Your Children
Don't let Bush give them mental exams, says Ron Paul.

Bollixing Up the World
Ron Paul on US foreign policy.

Your Papers, Citizen
No Soviet-like internal passports, please.

One Evil of Government IDs
They make identity theft easy, says Ron Paul.

Only Private Charity for Tsunami Victims
Government "help" is evil on several levels.

Hands Off the Electoral College
One of the remaining anti-democratic artifacts of the constitution.

The Police State
America is far from immune, says Ron Paul.

'They Hate Us Because We Are Sooo Good'
Ron Paul on reality and Iraq.

What Has NED Done in Ukraine?
That's the National Endowment for Democracy (Neocon Edifice of Dissimulation).

The National (Socialist) ID Card
Down with it, says Ron Paul.

The Dying Dollar
Exposed by gold.

The Federal Feel-Up
Ron Paul on airport security bullies.

Ignore the Neocon Warmongers
Stay out of the Sudan's civil war, says Ron Paul.

Bush's 'Mandate'
Ron Paul on the alarming election and post-election.

Another Republican Disgrace
Ron Paul on raising the debt limit.

Get Out of the Middle East
And stop all the foreign aid.

House of Cards
Ron Paul on Social Security.

All Hail the Electoral College
The alternative, says Ron Paul, is mob rule.

A Real Threat to National Security
Ron Paul on government debt.

'I Have a Plan…'
Never trust a politician with a plan, says Ron Paul.

Free the District of Columbia
Let the people be armed, says Ron Paul.

The 9/11 Stupidity Bill
More bureaucracy, more intervention, less freedom.

The Draft Is Slavery
Reject it, always and everywhere, says Ron Paul.

Down With the Imperial Judiciary
Let's clip their wings, says Ron Paul.

Can the Constitution Be Saved?
Video of a congressional speech by Ron Paul.

The Disastrous Federal Marriage Amendment
It's an attack on liberty and traditional values, says Ron Paul.

The IMF Con
Ron Paul on Keynes's monstrosity (well, one of them).

Can the Constitution Be Saved?
Video of a congressional speech by Ron Paul.

Restrict the Federal Courts
Don't let them usurp, says Ron Paul.

The Therapeutic Nanny State
Ron Paul on the police state, child division.

Psycho Government
Psychiatry comes in handy for our rulers.

Reject the Federal ID Card
It's totalitarian, says Ron Paul.

Ron Paul's GOP
Texas is, as usual, way ahead of the US.

Ron Paul Interviewed By Brian Lamb
On the 9/11 Commission scam (video).

The 9/11 Commission Fraud
Ron Paul on another state charade.

Police State USA
Ron Paul on why 'safety' does not equal freedom.

To Protect Marriage
Curb the judiciary, says Ron Paul.

Worse Than Useless
Ron Paul on the public circuses called conventions.

Peace and Free Trade
Ron Paul on what our relations ought to be with China and Taiwan (video).

Hands Off Sudan!
Ron Paul on yet another criminal venture by the US government.

A Peace Candidate on the Ballot
Let's break up the two-party monopoly, says Ron Paul.

Aids Welfare for the World
Ron Paul on another DC disaster.

None of Your Business!
Ron Paul to the feds.

A Vicious Tax on the Middle Class
Ron Paul on government spending.

A Real Conservative Rating of Congress
The New American rates the crooks and clowns of Capitol Hill. Needless to say, there is only one hero: Ron Paul.

No UN
Ron Paul wants US independence.

Freedom From the UK Was Step One
Now we need freedom from the US.

The Trouble With Forced Integration
Ron Paul on the unfortunate Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Why Can't the Republican Congress Stop Spending?
And act more like H.R. Gross.

Another Bush Welfare Scheme
Ron Paul on "zero-down" mortgages for the politically connected poor.

Torture, War, and Presidential Powers
Ron Paul is Mr. Constitution.

The Wages of Empire
Debt, debt, and more debt.

The Same Old Middle-Eastern Baloney
Ron Paul on the axis of incompetence.

Building the Dictatorship
Ron Paul says No!

Freedom or Security?
It's a false – and dangerous – choice, says Ron Paul.

No to Foreign Aid
Ron Paul on the latest incarnation of this evil.

The War on Drugs Is a War on Doctors
Ron Paul on the federal assault on people in pain and their physicians.

Don't Start a War With Iran!
Ron Paul on the warmongering wackos.

Cut the Con Game
Ron Paul on the abuse of prisoners in Iraq.

Passing the Buck in Iraq
Are pfc's really the culprits?

No 3rd Party Payments
Ron Paul on free-market medical care.

The Lessons of 9/11
Ron Paul on why foreign meddling matters.

Government Ghouls
And their war on pain sufferers.

Federal 'Justice'
Ron Paul on constitution-violating judges.

An Evening With Ron Paul
Steve Yates on the last real American in DC.

LOST at Sea
Ron Paul on the rotten Law of the Sea Treaty.

Don't Expand Nato
In fact, let's rethink the whole idea.

Praise the Troops, Fine
But shut up about "victory."

The Folly of Fed Interest Rates
Ron Paul on the damage of Greenspanism.

An Indecent Attack on the First Amendment
Ron Paul on the latest federal censorship scam.

A Perennial Gift From Greenspan
Monetary depreciation.

Inflation
It's alive and well, says Ron Paul.

Get Out of the Way
Ron Paul's advice to the government.

Eliminate Federal Court Jurisdiction
On marriage, abortion, education, and a host of other issues, says Ron Paul.

That Old Black Magic
Ron Paul on Greenspan's machinations.

Hey, Greenspan
Stop ignoring the monetary shark in the water, says Ron Paul.

The Feds Are a Bunch of Sick Puppies
Ron Paul on the war on pain relief.

Greenspan Confesses to Ron Paul
The Fed has inordinate power.

Ron Paul on Liberty
And a wise consistency for freedom.

Start a Brush Fire for Freedom
Ron Paul is interviewed by John W. Whitehead.

In the Face of an Executive Power Grab
Congress rolled over and played dead, says Ron Paul.

Spending and Lying
Ron Paul on the budget.

Don't Appoint Congress
Ron Paul fights a totalitarian proposal.

Federal Marriage Counseling
Is this Bush's worst idea?

Amnesty and Culture
Ron Paul on Bush's y'all come immigration plan.

Sending Social Security to Mexico
Ron Paul on another Bushian outrage.

The War on Religion
And the offensive against Christmas.

No Peace in the Holy Land
It's especially sad at Christmastime, says Ron Paul.

Time To DeNationalize Peace
Ron Paul on the Geneva Accord.

The Disappearing Dollar
The answer is gold, says Ron Paul.

GOP
The party of big government.

Against Imperialism and Socialism
Video of a speech by Ron Paul.

The Crime of Conscription
Are the feds about to raise a slave army?

Republican Socialism
Ron Paul battles the Medicare monster.

Socialist Military Treats Its Cannon Fodder
Like…cannon fodder.

Don't Blame Other Countries
Our economic woes begin at home, says Ron Paul.

Congressional Censorship
Stop threatening people for what they think and say.

The Looting Process
Ron Paul on appropriations.

Stop Pouring Money Down a Hole
Ron Paul on foreign aid.

Crazed Foreign Aid
One price of empire.

Trade Sanctions Are Evil
And so are those who want to starve Syrians as they starved Iraqis.

Recall DC
Ron Paul on California.

Abolish Neocon Central
Ron Paul on the National Endowment for Democracy.

Free Prescription Drugs
We will pay dearly, says Ron Paul.

Vouchers Are Welfare
Also unconstitutional on the federal level, says Ron Paul.

Big Bucks in Baghdad
That's your money, says Ron Paul.

No UN Gun Control
Ron Paul is Horatius at the bridge.

$87 Billion? Not 87 Cents
Ron Paul on the costs of war.

Fannie and Freddie
Ron Paul on two federal monstrosities.

Stop COG
Ron Paul on the chilling "continuity of government" proposal.

War and Debt
Ron Paul on the Bush spendathon.

Greenspan's Monopoly Money
It's the mother's milk of tyranny.

Paper Money and Tyranny
Ron Paul on the chilling connection.

Can We Afford To Occupy Iraq?
Not in any sense.

Love the Hangman, America
Ron Paul on Ashcroft's bizarre promo tour.

Don't Look to Politics To Solve the Blackout
It's the problem, says Ron Paul.

The Imaginery Constitution
Created by the federal courts.

Hurrah for Drug Reimportation
It increases medical freedom, says Ron Paul.

Bring Back Honest Money
Ron Paul on repealing legal tender.

The Horrific Cost of Government
Ron Paul on Saddam Bushein and the taxayeen.

Free Trade in Pharmaceuticals
Ron Paul stands tall against protectionism.

Stay Out of Liberia!
It's another unconstitutional fiasco in the making, says Ron Paul.

The Unpatriot Act
Some encouraging news from Ron Paul.

Lying Us into War
Ron Paul on the phony justifications.

Greenspan Punishes Savers
Ron Paul on the evil central bank.

Rule of the Machiavellians
Ron Paul on the ex-conservative movement.

We’ve Been Neo-Conned
An historic speech by Ron Paul on the followers of Trotsky, Strauss, and Machiavelli who run the conservative movement, and the Bush administration.

Money, Banking, and the Federal Reserve
A video with Ron Paul, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Joseph Salerno, and Lew Rockwell.

Exchanging Strings From London
For chains from DC.

Continuity of Government?
It's another slap at the Constitution, says Ron Paul.

Thanks, Republicans
The party of big government strikes again.

Does Tony Blair Deserve a Gold Medal?
Ron Paul on why it's a crime.

Buy Canadian Drugs
Ron Paul on free trade in pharmaceuticals.

Greenspan Is To Blame
Ron Paul on the sainted Fed chairman.

The Truth About Tax Credits
And who should get them.

Setting Up the Dictatorship
Ron Paul on the Continuity of Government Act.

Lavish Occupation
Ron Paul on the unbearable cost of Iraq.

Federal Flag Burning
Should it be unconstitutional? Of course not, says Ron Paul.

Pro-Life Action
It must proceed from proper principles, says Ron Paul.

The Partial Birth Abortion Ban
Ron Paul is for it, with grave reservations.

The Republican Debt Monster
Ron Paul on conservative profligacy.

The Federal Drug Bully
Ron Paul on unconstitutional DC meddling in state and local elections.

The Phony Tax-Cut Debate
It's the total of government spending that counts, says Ron Paul.

Bush's Foreign Aids Scheme
So much for social conservatism among Republicans.

American Law or UN Law
It's time, for once, for Congress to do its duty, says Ron Paul.

Keep the UN Out of Iraq
And America too, says Ron Paul.

Gun Rights and States Rights
The speech that has the NRA doing Karl Rove's bidding against Ron Paul.

Bush Betrayal
This time, on gun control.

Ron Paul vs. the UN
An interview with Thomas R. Eddlem.

Bush the Spender
With his partner in crime, the Republican Congress.

Merchants of Death
Ron Paul on war profiteers.

Stop Censoring Religious Speech
Ron Paul tries to talk some sense to Congress.

Anti-Foreign Hate
Crazed fury at France and other countries endangers the world economy, says Ron Paul.

Stop Funding Abortion
Ron Paul also seeks to deny the usurping federal courts jurisdiction.

The Medical Malpractice Mess
Ron Paul on solving it through the free market.

Bush Has Wrecked the UN
It's a silver lining in the war cloud, says Ron Paul.

Ron Paul Forges Antiwar Coalition
Right and left against mass murder.

Dangerous Nonsense
Ron Paul on the myth of war prosperity.

Oppose the Federal Welfare State
It's an unconstitutional evil, says Ron Paul.

Another UN War?
Ron Paul on the Bushian adventure.

Buying ‘Friends’ With Foreign Aid
Ron Paul on compassionate conservatism, international division.

The Heroic Ron Paul
The Texas Observer is astonished to find an antiwar Republican.

Welfare for the Left and Right
And welfare for the world. Ron Paul on the Bush administration.

'We're All Democrats Now'
Sorry, Mr. Franklin, says Ron Paul.

Government's False Prosperity
And real recessions.

Cut Taxes for the Rich
Cut taxes for everybody, says Ron Paul.

Restore the Second Amendment
Ron Paul on gun rights.

Public Slavery
Conscription is collectivism, says Ron Paul.

No National ID Numbers
Ron Paul wants to stop federal SS abuse.

More Foreign Welfare
Thanks, Bush.

Peace and Freedom
Ron Paul on the prospects for these twins in 2003.

What Really Divides Us?
Ron Paul on the centralizing state.

Regime Change
Ron Paul on what the warmongers really mean.

Government Vaccinations
Bad policy, bad medicine.

Our Idiotic Foreign Policy
It makes more trouble in the Middle East.

George LBJ Bush
He is building the state at rates almost unprecedented.

Big Trouble Ahead
As the feds make war on Iraq.

DC Isn't My Homeland
Ron Paul on the Homeland Security monster.

tate ecurity
Ron Paul on the takeover of the homeland.

Who Should Prosecute the Snipers?
Not the power-mad central government.

Armed Citizens Are a Public Good
Ron Paul on snipers, terrorism, and gun control.

The War on Truth
Ron Paul on DC claims vs. reality, in the planned attack on Iraq.

Illegal War Violates the Constitution
Don't do it, says Ron Paul.

Will War Doom the Economy?
Ron Paul warns Congress not to allow the invasion.

War Is a Political Disaster
Along with being a moral and economic calamity, says Ron Paul.

Entangling Alliances
They are dangerous and un-American, says Ron Paul.

Abolish the Fed
Ron Paul introduces legislation to do exactly that.

Questions That Won't Be Asked
About Iraq. Ron Paul has 35.

No Militarism, No Socialism
Ron Paul on the recipe for peace, freedom, and prosperity.

Don't Commit Aggression
Ron Paul tries to talk some sense to Congress.

Questions About the 2nd War on Iraq
Ron Paul wants them answered before the troops go in.

Don't Make War on the Rule of Law
Ron Paul on the planned aggression against Iraq.

Hey, Greenspan
Why does the US adhere to an IMF injunction against sound money? Ron Paul wants to know.

Ron vs. Alan
Hard questions for Greenspan from Ron Paul.

Intervention Begets Terror
Ron Paul on the disaster of US foreign policy.

Snitching for the State
Ron Paul on the Bushie Stasi.

The Federal Fraud
Ron Paul wants to know: what about government accountability?

Has Capitalism Failed?
Of course not, says Ron Paul. It's government that's the flop.

Are We Doomed To Be a Police State?
Ron Paul on the anti-freedom ambitions of the feds.

Don't Invade Iraq
Let's listen to Scott Ritter instead, says Ron Paul.

The Declining Dollar
Ron Paul on why gold is the answer.

For Peace and Freedom
Ron Paul against welfare and war.

Don't Expand Federal Deposit 'Insurance'
Ron Paul warns the Congress.

No Conscription
Ron Paul on why Daniel Webster was right.

Don't Regulate Supplements
Congressmen Ron Paul and Peter DeFazio speak out against the FDA.

Stop the One-Sided Mid-East Meddling
Ron Paul speaks out.

No Corporate Welfare
Ron Paul on FDR's rotten Export-Import Bank.

Are Your Taxes Too Low?
They think so in DC, says Ron Paul.

Ron Paul's Predictions
If the feds aren't stopped from meddling domestically and internationally, we face more war, taxes, inflation, spying, and other tyrannies.

The Framers' Foreign Policy
They had it just right.

No Entangling Alliances
And the Middle East is no exception.

Get Out of the Middle East
Ron Paul on a radical idea: what's in the American interest.

The UN Tax Grab
Ron Paul on the latest globalist trick.

Don't Conscript the Kids
The draft is slavery, plus killing.

No Aggression Against Iraq
It's illegal, immoral, and dangerous, says Ron Paul.

Stop Meddling in Ukraine
Ron Paul has some advice for the feds.

Protectionism vs. Liberty
Ron Paul on Bush's vicious and dangerous tax increase on imported steel.

The Truth About Government Debt
Ron Paul on the deficit and the "surplus."

US Out of Colombia
Ron Paul on the next planned war.

Honest Money, Not Fiat Money
And no federal police state, says Ron Paul.

Get Us Out of the IMF
Ron Paul on Keynes's rotten International Monetary Fund.

Don't Attack Iraq
It's morally wrong, and it only endangers Americans.

Stop Manipulating the Gold Price
Ron Paul's message to the feds.

Economic Terror
Thanks to Osama Bin Federal.

Why Is There So Much Money in Politics?
Because the rotten reach of politics is so broad and deep, says Ron Paul.

The Truth About Enron
Over-subsidized, not under-regulated.

Down With World Government
And its instrument, the WTO.

The Case for Peace and Freedom
Ron Paul on why we should not attempt to rule the world.

The Argentine Tango
Government, default, and the IMF.

Will This Be a 'War Year'?
Ron Paul on the future of US foreign policy.

Should the US Attack Iraq Again?
Ron Paul says No.

If We Get the Despotic Draft
Let's take congressmen first, says Ron Paul.

National (Socialist) ID
Ron Paul condemns a dastardly idea.

9/11 Was Preventable
All we had to do was take George Washington's urgent counsel. Speech by Ron Paul.

The State vs. Doctors
Dr. Ron Paul's address to the graduating class at the University of Texas Medical School-Houston.

Faith-Based Statism
Ron Paul refutes a disastrous idea.

Waco Prophet
Ron Paul had it right from the beginning.


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random1323 said:

yeah, what is ron paul thinking not trusting intelligence coming out of iraq. he should have learned after how many people this administration saved by finding those horrible WMDs. he needs to get line and follow blindly.

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Could it be that cuts in "intelligence" helped to diminish the accuracy of "intelligence"?

Ron Paul was wrong, and he would have cut it even more.

Could a mod please clean up that spam above.I check links when someone posts them so theres no real need to list every tantrum the guys ever wrote in my thread.Thanks in advance...lol

I can understand why a Paul supporter might be getting irritated seeing how little this man actually understands about foreign policy but spamming is just uncalled for.

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Iranian Special Groups linked to Baghdad pet market bombing

By Bill RoggioNovember 25, 2007 8:54 AM
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The Friday, November 24 bombing of Al Ghazi pet market in Baghdad was the largest attack in the capital in months. At least 15 Iraqis were killed and 56 wounded in the blast. US and Iraqi security forces now believe the attack was conducted by the Iranian -backed Special Groups, and was designed to simulate an al Qaeda in Iraq attack in order to increase Shia dependency on militias.

The "ball-bearing laden bomb" was hidden inside bird cage smuggled inside the pet market by members of the Special Groups, the US learned after capturing four members of the terror group.

"Based on subsequent confessions, forensics and other intelligence, the bombing was the work of an Iranian-backed special group cell operating here in Baghdad," said Rear Admiral Gregory Smith, the Deputy Spokesman for Multinational Corps Iraq in a press briefing on November 25. "The group’s purpose was to make it appear al-Qaeda in Iraq was responsible for the attack. Despite killing innocent Shi’a and Sunni, the special groups aim was to demonstrate to Baghadis the need for militia groups to continue providing for their security."

Smith was clear the evidence points directly back to the Special Groups, which are the creation of Iran's Qods Force, the clandestine foreign operations service of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps. "Special groups have been historically backed by the Iranians, the Qods forces we’ve described before," said Smith. "The training, the equipping that goes into the ability to conduct the kind of operation that was conducted yesterday, the making of the particular kind of bomb, the forensics that we know from that particular bomb and that explosion, has the fingerprints of a special group. Therefore, again, having been facilitated through Iranian connections."

The Special Groups cells, which "have been trained, equipped, financed, and sometimes even led by Iranian-backed groups," are still active inside Iraq, said Smith. He also noted that it is sill unclear if Iran has ceased operations inside Iraq. "To the extent that they are conducting, and supporting, training, equipping, and funding operations today in Iraq, we need to wait and see statistically if that’s the case," said Smith.

Major General Rick Lynch, the commander of Multinational Division Central where the Special Groups are active, recently said he believes Iran is still operating in his area of operations. "We're really in a wait-and-see mode to see whether or not there's specific progress. It's something we watch all the time," Lynch told The Associated Press.

"I'm still finding Iranian rockets and explosively formed penetrators that are traceable back to Iran," Lynch said. "But what I can't tell you is are these munitions that have recently been brought into Iraq or have they been here for a while. [The Qods force and the Special Groups are] still operating in our battlespace. But I can't say whether or not this is an increased problem or a flatline problem or a decreasing problem."

Multinational Forces Iraq once again warned Muqtada al Sadr and the Mahdi Army to honor the ceasefire Sadr put in place after the Mahdi Army attacked police in Karbala during a festival, sparking outrage against Sadr's militia. "Again, this bombing demonstrates there remain individuals who continue to ignore Muqtada al-Sadr’s pledge of a ceasefire," said Smith. "Iraq and coalition forces will continue to capture or kill those who choose to dishonor Muqtada al-Sadr by committing these acts of indiscriminate violence against innocent Iraqis."

In numerous press releases, Multinational Forces Iraq has repeatedly warned Sadr and the Mahdi Army to halt attacks on the Iraqi government and Iraqi and Coalition forces. Iraqi and US forces are conducting a major operation against the Mahdi Army in the southern city of Diwaniyah.

Background on Iranian influence in Iraq and the targeting of the Special Groups

Coalition forces began targeting the Iranian networks and captured senior members of Iran's Qods Force in Baghdad in December 2006 and Irbil in January 2007. Iranian surrogates -- the Qazali and Sheibani networks, which are now collectively referred to as the Special Groups -- stepped up their attacks on Iraqi and Coalition forces in January 2007.

The Qazali network conducted sophisticated operations against US forces at the Karbala Joint Provincial Coordination Center, kidnapping and killing five US soldiers during the aborted operation. Coalition and Iraqi Security Forces have been heavily targeting these "Special Groups" and "Secret Cells" since General David Petraeus' briefing on the Qazali and Sheibani networks on April 26.

In March 2007, Coalition forces captured Qais Qazali, his brother Laith Qazali, and several other members of the Qazali network. Qazali was a spokesperson and senior aide to Muqtada al Sadr. The Qazali network was behind the Karbala Provincial Joint Command Center attack, which resulted in the kidnapping and murder of five US soldiers. Multinational Forces Iraq has stated Iran is behind the Karbala raid, and satellite imagery discovered a mock-up of the Karbala complex at a camp inside Iran.

In July, US forces captured Azhar al Dulaimi, the tactical commander behind the Karbala PJCC attack. In early September 2007, Multinational Forces Iraq announced the captured of “a highly-sought individual suspected of being an Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps-Qods Force” operative in Karbala.

One of the most significant captures occurred in the spring of 2007, when the US captured Ali Mussa Daqduq. Daqduq is a senior Hezbollah operative who was tasked by Iran to organize the Special Groups and "rogue" Mahdi Army cells along the lines of Lebanese Hezbollah. Documents seized during Daqduq's capture, along with statements made during interrogations and information given by other captured Special Groups operatives confirmed Iran's significant role in the Shia terrorist insurgency.

On September 20, Multinational Forces Iraq captured Mahmud Farhadi, an Iranian Qods Force officer in charge of the Zafr Command. Farhadi commanded one of three units subordinate to the Ramazan Corps of the Qods Force, which commands the operations in Iraq.

On October 7, General David Petraeus said the Iranian ambassador to Iraq is a Qods Force intelligence agent.

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"I havent seen proof of that"

November 16, 2007

<NYT_HEADLINE version="1.0" type=" ">Iran Was Blocked From Buying Nuclear Materials at Least 75 Times, Group Says </NYT_HEADLINE>

<NYT_BYLINE version="1.0" type=" ">By WARREN HOGE

</NYT_BYLINE><NYT_TEXT>UNITED NATIONS, Nov. 15 — Iran has been denied purchases of nuclear-related materials at least 75 times over the past nine years because of suspicions the purchases could have been used for building bombs, according to an international monitoring group.

The denials, most of which have occurred since 2002, have resulted from interventions by members of the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group, an offshoot of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

The suppliers group is charged with monitoring trade to make sure that nuclear technology transferred for peaceful purposes is not directed to military use.

Iran is a signatory to the treaty but not a member of the suppliers group.
Made up of technologically advanced countries, the group keeps its data private and meets largely in secret.

The list of trade denials was made available by a diplomat from a country interested in exposing the extent of Iranian efforts to acquire so-called dual-use items that can be converted to weapons production. He made the list available on agreement that neither he nor his country be identified.

According to the suppliers group’s mission statement, countries act on an individual basis to block trades that violate export controls devised to maintain international cooperation on peaceful uses of nuclear energy. They have no enforcement power beyond notifying companies that they are in violation of the group’s guidelines.

The diplomat said that the 75 denials represented actions by only 7 of the 45 member states. He said this suggested that the real number of denials of sales of dual-use products to Iran was probably much higher.

The list names companies from Australia, Finland, Sweden, the United Arab Emirates and Iran itself that were prevented from carrying out deals because the items being sold were suspected of being militarily useful.

The Iranian end users included the government of Iran and the country’s atomic energy organization and power, engineering, petrochemical and oil-refining and gas companies, aircraft industries, schools, universities, engine manufacturers, mineral research centers, a helicopter support company and a plasma physics center.

As the standoff with Iran over its nuclear program has continued, Western diplomats have contended that Tehran uses front companies to receive technology and convert it to weapons production without being detected.

Among the listed items being offered for sale in the blocked deals were nickel powder, petrochemical plant components, compressors, furnaces, steel flanges and fittings, electron microscopes, radiometric ore-sorting machines, valves and tubing, lasers, a rotary drilling rig, a mass spectrometer and a nitrogen production plant.

Could a mod please clean up that spam above.

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There seems to be an increasing prospensity towards thread killing useless monster cut'n'pastes in here.

...then someone will quote it for a one line reply of their own...

ho hum.

eek. said:

There seems to be an increasing prospensity towards thread killing useless monster cut'n'pastes in here.

...then someone will quote it for a one line reply of their own...

ho hum.

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Yes that quoting of long posts is quite retarded.

I dont mind the of posting longwinded articles because Ill usually read them eek but lets be realistic here.That is plain RP fury above.

Sad thing about Paul is the more I learn about him the more he becomes a charactature.Originally I had an overall respect for the mans principals but hes shown himself to be just as pandering and crooked as the rest of the people he looks down on from his ivory perch.