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Thompson vs. Giuliani - Can the Tortoise Conquer the Hare Again?’

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Election News item by JB Williams -> Permalink

Mayor Giuliani left the gate early, sprinting towards the finish line off in a distance. Thompson waited, plotted and planned, leaving the gate last, well behind all others in the race, seeming completely unconcerned with the dashing hare, as he methodically set one foot firmly ahead of the other. Is it the tortoise and the hare all over again?

Both candidates are a bit long-in-the-tooth. Both have fought and conquered cancer. Both have been qualified leaders within their party. Both have strong base support and both have the capacity to be a good executive.

But each has a different strategy for winning the hearts and minds of the people, within their party and beyond, and only time will tell which strategy is best. They are clearly different people with different personalities and their own styles. This is a bad thing?

The first difference

While every candidate in every election claims to be “the people’s candidate,” the fact is, only one candidate in the entire 2008 field of candidates was drafted by “the people.”


Some seek to downplay the importance of this reality. In fact, all other candidates hope to draw attention away from this very real fact, nobody more than the alleged “front-runners.”

It’s no secret that Thompson was not planning on running for President in ’08 or ever for that matter. Our nations first President had a similar story. Thompson was perfectly content to live his very comfortable life as an actor, new father and advisor to other national leaders. Only “the people” could have changed his life direction and they did.

All other candidates seek the office of President for their own reasons, on their own personal motives and with their own agendas in mind. Thompson seeks the office at the request of “the people” on the basis of their agenda. As a result, he will run this race very differently.

Other differences

Career politicians have come to believe that “the people” can be, must be bought. They believe that they, the government and its leadership, are the answer to every question, the solution to every problem. They believe that buying votes is the shortcut to personal political power and that the people have not noticed the consequences of that practice.

Thompson believes that government is the problem and that the people are the only solution. Sound familiar?

Therefore, the standard circus style “used car salesmen” pandering we are accustomed to from career politicos is notably missing from Thompson’s campaign. This alone causes many to wonder just how serious Thompson is about his run for the White House. But how serious are Americans taking the circus stunt pandering from the others?

The Hare

The hare left the starting line early and jumped into an early lead. Almost a year away from the finish line, the hare still leads. But he’s showing signs of vulnerability.

As of third quarter reporting, Giuliani has spent more than $30.6 million to gain his first place position in the polls. He has raised over $47 million since the beginning of his campaign, but only $11.6 million of it in the third quarter. He has spent almost ¾ of his war chest already.

Only Mitt Romney has spent more, a reported $53.6 million, $17.4 million from his personal pocket. Sprinting can be very expensive in modern politics. The Romney campaign is already bankrupt with only $9.2 million on-hand and $17.3 million in debts. How “conservative” is that?


The Tortoise

The third quarter was Thompson’s first fund raising period. He didn’t officially announce his candidacy until half way through that quarter. Yet his campaign still reported raising $12.8 million, second only to Romney who dipped into his own pocket to remain out front in funds raised, and $1.2 million more than Giuliani during the same reporting period.

While the hare spent 2 million more than he raised in the third quarter, the tortoise spent less than half of what he raised during the period. Maybe there should be a squirrel in this story too.

The hare is running first in most polls while the tortoise is running second. The hare has spent more than $30.6 million to get there, while the tortoise has spent less than $6 million to run second. Which is the “conservative” approach?

The Republican “top tier”

While the polls are still very fluid concerning a likely RNC nominee, all national polling data indicates that there are indeed only four “top tier” candidates in the RNC race.

Giuliani remains the leader in almost all national polls. In most national polls, Thompson is running second, though in some cases, sharing second with the other two top tier candidates, Romney and McCain.

Mike Huckabee has made some recent headway in some local polls. But it does not seem to be translating to national support.

Iowa and New Hampshire

Republicans started using “straw polls” to gauge voter intent in 1980. Like Romney in 2007, George H.W. Bush campaigned heavy in Iowa in 1980 and defeated Ronald Reagan in Iowa as a result. Of course, he later went on to lose the party nomination and the Presidency to Reagan.

Likewise in 2004, straw polls showed Dick Gephardt and Howard Dean tied for the lead with both Kerry and Edwards running far behind. But when the ballots were counted, John Kerry finished first, Edwards second, and Dean and Gephardt were so far back in the field that both dropped out of the race soon after.

In 2000, McCain defeated George W. Bush in New Hampshire. Gore defeated Bush by a half million votes in the general election. Of course, Bush went on to become President. Nothing is as predictable as some pretend.

The Sport of Politics

Though there is no more serious business than the running of our country, we tend to treat the process like a sport instead. This is certainly true among partisan campaign operatives and pundits.

While many claim to have a crystal ball providing glimpses into the future outcome of an always fluid democratic process, nobody really does.

Those who think it’s good to be the hare should experience first hand what it’s like to be a political “front-runner,” the bull’s-eye in everyone’s crosshairs. Just ask Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton or Rudy Giuliani.

Can the Tortoise Conquer the Hare Again?

Only time will tell how the race ends. But the tortoise doesn’t look nervous yet and I can’t say the same for the hare…
 

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How long before the NRA endorses Freddy sending all the other RINOs packing?

Thompson Strolls Through South Carolina Gun Show
("It's a beautiful day in paradise")

By JIM DAVENPORT, Associated Press Writer Sat Nov 24, 1:18 PM ET

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LADSON, S.C. - White House hopeful Fred Thompson called his trip down aisle of rifles, shotguns and pistols at a gun show "a day in paradise," and said he wished he could come back to spend more time and money.

It was the former Tennessee senator and "Law and Order" actor's second trip to a gun show since launching his late bid for the GOP nomination in September.

He reached out and picked up an old M-1 Garand rifle and raised an over-and-under Winchester shotgun suitable for the skeet shooting he's been known to do as he made his way through the 200 vendors at The Land of the Sky Gun Show at a fairgrounds just outside of North Charleston, S.C.

"It's a beautiful day in paradise," Thompson said when greeted by one of the people packing the show's aisles.

Thompson was a hit with James Hill, 65, from Summerville. "It's absolutely important to come to gun shows," Hill said. Thompson, he said, wins his support because he's strong on Second Amendment gun ownership rights. "He's right where our strength is."

Anthony DiPaolo, 22, said he wasn't ready to settle on a presidential candidate yet, but said he'd narrowed his field to three Republicans — Thompson, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. "I like Fred Thompson's stance on firearms," he said. "I don't want to see anymore assaults on my Second Amendment rights."

But DiPaolo added that he also liked Giuliani's handling of the terrorist attacks in New York and Romney's "business plan." And, he has doubts about Thompson's ability to win the nomination.

"I just think he got in too late," DiPaolo said.

While mingling with the crowd, someone else mentioned the late entry and Thompson responded that he got in at just the right time.

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Note the trivial nitpicking from all these RINOs, libs and their media mouthpieces...

"too old"
"too sick"
"lazy"
"trophy wife"
"got in too late"
"ummmm...ummmm..."
"doesn't light any fires"
"can't win"

Yes, indeed, Freddy "doesn't light any fires"... translation: Fred DOESN'T PANDER.

Fred is his own man, drafted by "the people" and won't dance to anyone's tune -- right or left. (He basically told James Dobson to sit on a tack.) Fred's UNFLAPPABLE, steady as a horse, and the media HATES HIM, FEARS HIM or IGNORES HIM because of it. And yet this is EXACTLY what the country needs.

Screw this sizzle and sound bites, who's running the most conservative campaign? Who has the most workable, substantive platform? Fred is so far ahead of the competition it's a joke...

SECURE BORDERS -- 2nd AMENDMENT -- PRO-LIFE -- FEDERALISM (limited government) -- STRONG NATIONAL SECURITY -- ENTITLEMENT REFORM -- JUDGES...

As the campaign drags on, in a field of Commies, nutters, RINOs and greased-up used car salesmen, it is becoming increasingly obvious that Fred is THE man among toddlers and teenagers.

If I'm running ANY other campaign -- Democrat or Republican -- Fred Thompson is the man I fear the most...especially now that so many people have written him off!
 

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http://cameron.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/11/24/thompson-uses-gun-shop-visit-to-fire-volley-at-giuliani/

“Rudy supported a Clinton administration proposal for a national gun licensing program because he felt the proposal would help start developing interests in national and international regulation of guns. As mayor, he joined in a lawsuit against the gun industry that tried to lay the blame on gun manufacturers and not criminals for the use of the weapons after they are legally purchased and he is the same man who called the NRA ‘extremists.’”

Ouch! Not good for the gun grabber.
 

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Dreaming Joe. The others maybe, but Fred isn't beating him.

Its goin to come down to Thompson vs Giulianni

I dont see why you dont respect your greatest opponent

Please dont think a Pat Robertson endorsement means Giulianni wins in the south

not happening
 

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Its goin to come down to Thompson vs Giulianni

I dont see why you dont respect your greatest opponent

Please dont think a Pat Robertson endorsement means Giulianni wins in the south

not happening

Seriously...

Other than FL -- and even that state is no shoo-in for the cross dresser -- name a red state where Rudy can beat Thompson? (Keep in mind Republicans have more delegates in Bush states than Kerry states.)

Fuck the polls (most are the margin of error as it is)! No way any northeastener beats Thompson anywhere south of Boston and New Jersey.

VT, if my guy had spent 10s of millions to "define himself", had the best name recognition in the country (with the exception of Hillary) and was still stuck in no-man's-land, it would be obvious that a) he was fundamentally flawed and b) the electorate wasn't biting.

To give you an idea of how tenuous Mitt Romney's lead in Iowa is, according to a Rasmussen poll, 68% of those who favored Romney admitted they could still easily change their minds. Rudy doesn't fare much better.

Both imho are dead in the water as soon as a bonafide conservative steps up to the plate -- pretty much my analysis all along.

Look out, America! Here comes the Fred train barreling down the tracks!

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FULL INTERVIEW OF PRESIDENT THOMPSON ON FOX NEWS SUNDAY

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WOW! :aktion033

Ladies and gents, there's the next President of the United States. No more holding your noses at the ballot box choosing "the lesser of two evils."

And if that "electibility" thing is gnawin' at ya, know this: Freddy will stare evil right into the eye and force the Hildabeast into Howard Dean-like meltdown. (Oh, and he'll keep y'all safe and prosperous too!)

Take that to the bank.

:toast:
 

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fred just can't do it iowa

either need to do a ton of leg work (tons of time on the ground iowans are spoiled want to see them up close, shake their hand, fred isn't a fan of this to begin with the time he has spent in the state) or have a moonbat hardcore following or both, think huckster has a combo of both has done the leg work and has some grassroots support

NH he's in big trouble too another state you need the same lots of leg work etc.

just don't see how fred can do it coming outta the gate so slowly

huckster probably wins iowa but him moving this early makes him a target for mitt to shoot down while a moonbat could sneak up and surprise alot of people

you are right mitt's support is super flaky i know it first hand

i think by jan people are gonna be seriously sick of his ads, they are on all the frickin time
 

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its a 3 horse race in my mind

either huckster or paul builds some serious momentum early or its rudy's

chances are huckster or paul steals mitt's thunder and he's done, mitt needs an overwhelming performance being the expected winner to have any hope nationally

a 2nd in iowa romney done his flaky support will give up on him in NH

as for fred and mccain just don't see how they'll compete with rudy on national level without doing anything early

i mean what if a moonbat beats thompson in both iowa and NH which i think is quite possible

mccain looks totally hopeless in iowa, needs to win NH again to have any hope

as for fred other than SC really has no support in the early states, think he's doing halfway okay in nevada maybe?
 

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oh wait fred is doing okay in iowa nevermind, thought he was doing worse than that
 

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Ron Paul has a chance... in what state(s)? :lolBIG:

Holy cow, tizdoom, you've got a lot to learn about this process.

First of all, let's get new Hampshire out of the way because whoever wins that state won't be (and shouldn't be) the nominee. That's a NH history lesson and the first point -- scratch NH (Paul's best state in the union).

Second, with respect to Iowa, it's a caucus state -- not a state Fred has to win, only finish respectably, which will do everything but guarantee a victory in South Carolina. And it's all downhill from that moment onward.

Third, after McCain and Huckabee drop out -- Huckabee is broke and doesn't have a record to sustain him through the scrutiny; conservatives still harbor bitter feelings toward McCain -- those blocks will swing over to Thompson.

Fourth, Romney's entire gameplan is a house of cards -- Rudy not far behind. As I have been saying all long, despite spending tens of millions, these two are seat warmers, as everyone waits for a bonafide conservative. Now, imagine if Huck knocks off Romney in Iowa, Huckabee will be doing Thompson a HUGE favor, because after Iowa it's a two horse race -- Rudy and Thompson.

Fifth, look, there's no debate: Fred Thompson is the most fundamentally sound candidate and is beginning to set the standard and pace of this campaign -- his way. I'm talking about his immigration plan, his social security plan, his military buildup proposals, his endorsement from the NRTL (with the NRA to follow) and now his tax reform package. The others are pandering -- their records don't match their records -- and saying whatever they think people wanna hear. You build your campaign on quicksand, you'll sink fast as soon as you run into a little resistance -- just ask Howard Dean.

Bottom line: Fred doesn't have to hit a homerun in Iowa, even a base hit or double will be a pleasant surprise and set him up very comfortably in SC. Then with Huckabee and McCain support filtering into the Thompson camp, he'll sweep aside Rudy fairly comfortably.

That's how campaigns go, tizdoom -- the domino effect, but in order to be the last man standing, you need a sound plan and a sound foundation, which is what Thompson has.

I've said all along I'll wait for the process to play itself out, but I'm really liking Fred's chances. Imho, it's his race to lose and right now he's stepping BIG TIME!
 

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The forgotten dynamic about this campaign is this:

Had there been a strong horse from the very beginning, Fred wouldn't be in this race. He was drafted. He was drafted by the people because Republicans looked at the challenges going into a watershed election, then looked at the GOP bench and realized it was empty. We didn't have anyone who could adequately represent the party and advance (many would argue, restore) the conservative mantle, let alone a leader who could keep us all safe, free and prosperous.

So from the moment we started hearing rumblings about Fred jumping in, he became the instant odds-on favorite and the anticipation, excitement and comparisons to you-know-who, were expectations he obviously couldn't live up to.

Then the beltway critics went at him hard -- too lazy, too old, trophy wife, -- most of the bashing, trivial and petty. (Does the media poke fun at Rudy and his twitching or his extremely flawed character and personal life? What about Romney's plastic used car salesman persona?) So a perception started to build around Fred that he didn't have "the fire in his belly" but also, it's worth noting Fred hadn't been in the game (campaigning) for over 10 years and, yes, I admit, it showed.

But remember, Fred Thompson never wanted to be President -- unlike all the other, he doesn't lust after the job --yet his country has asked him to answer the call of history, and now after shaking off some rust, reorganizing his campaign and getting into his groove, he's stepping up to the plate big time.

I don't know who he'll pick as his VP -- everyone I talk to is praying for Duncan Hunter -- but a Thompson-Hunter duo would pretty much give us the equivalent of another Ronald Reagan. Thompson is not only the only genuine federalist in the entire race in both parties, he's also an even stronger fiscal conservative than Duncan Hunter. But Duncan Hunter is stellar on two PIVOTAL issues of our time: national security and immigration. Not that Thompson is 'bad' in these two areas, it's just that Hunter has no equal.

Both men exude honesty and integrity, backed by nearly perfect conservative voting records and a track record of fighting for and standing for the principles America was founded on. Both men embody an uncompromising patriotism and have a record of doing what's right, resisting power politics, qualities we have not seen since the Gipper.

Thompson-Hunter could not only singlehandedly revitalize and re-energize the GOP brand, they could also bring about the type of change EVERYONE is yearning for. They could, in as little as two years time, ask for a mandate from the American people and deliver.

Let's face it, whether you're a Republican, Democrat, independent or just lost trying to find your way home, we are ALL SICK of politics in Washington, something that is only exceeded by an even higher intolerance of the Clinton-Bush dynasties.

My fellow Americans, we need change -- REAL change.

Remember the Reagan mantra?

"Government is not the solution to our problems, government is the problem."

Fred Thompson shares that philosophy -- "We the People." "We the People" tell the government what to do, it doesn't tell us. "We the People" are the masters, and government is our servant.

Now consider our elites do not want Thompson -- the people's choice -- to win. Yet look at his campaign and the reforms he's put forward -- bold, yet pragmatic, built on the principles this country was founded on.

If you're like most voters and haven't settled on a candidate, give Fred Thompson a very serious look. I've examined his record, and Fred is the real deal. He's the honest, humble leader with a "we're all in this together" spirit America wants. He will fight for your rights, your freedoms, your assets and he'll keep us all safe and prosperous. You may not agree with everything he stands for, but at least you'll know where he stands, at least he can know that he will communicate the truth, and has an admirable quality of standing up to special interests and resisting the kind of political and peer pressures that do in most "well intentioned" politicos.

And as for that "electibility" factor, well, if you liked Hildabeast's meltdown in front of a teddy bear like Tim Russert, just wait till you see what Fred does to Hillary. He's a horse and doesn't blink -- steady, calm, principled leadership.

I imagine, the Hillary camp is praying we'll be stupid enough to believe only Rudy can beat her, gift wrapping the election and thereby continuing the Bush-Clinton dynasty. (I imagine also the Klinton camp have "Rudy's Embarrassing Moments" or Romney's lifetime highlight reel of flip-flops cued up and ready to go. They're not expecting Fred to win. THEY ARE PRAYING FRED DOESN'T MAKE IT.)

Let's end that preordained destiny right here, right now and reiterate the obvious -- only one man can slay the beast:

Fred Thompson -- the people's choice. Never forget the underlying dynamic of this campaign: Thompson was drafted by THE PEOPLE. It's his (our) race to lose.

And as for Duncan Hunter, well, you may not know who he is...until you wanna thank him.
 

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Good for Fred Thompson [Larry Kudlow]

Good for Fred. Good for his excellent, broad based, tax-cut plan — including a flat-tax option and a corporate tax cut.

Good for him for snapping back at Fox’s Chris Wallace when he tried to pull a fast one by citing Fred Barnes and Charles Krauthammer as proof-pudding that Fred can’t win. Good for Fred for mentioning National Review and Investor’s Business Daily for speaking positively about his candidacy. (So, is it true that Fox is dedicating itself to Rudy?)

Good for Fred for showing fire, energy, and animation throughout the interview. It’s the same fire in the belly that I witnessed in our CNBC interview earlier this month.

Look, I have no idea whether Fred can win the GOP nomination. Frankly, I have no idea who is going to win it. And as I’ve written here before, I’m not picking sides. However, I do want a strong and determined Republican field. And I certainly think Fred has regained his footing.

I vastly prefer positive policy visions to down-in-the-mud trashing. (I know, I know, criticizing each other on the issues is a key part of politics.) But my great hope is that the Republican contenders will emphasize their key policy visions as the race heats up.
 

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Freddy rocks!!

Indeed, he does.

Fred’s been out front on a) illegal aliens b) taxes c) social security d) 2nd Amendment, e) foreign affairs and the WOT. He’s got detailed, reasoned, widely praised, doable, principled positions. Where’s the beef from the rest of the field? :think2:
 

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Thompson Continues to Impress

Monday, November 26, 2007 @ 3:44:30 PM

American Spectator


Lord knows I have blasted Fred Thompson a few times, but now he has followed his gutsy and philosophically solid Social Security plan and his on-target defense plan, and his hard-nosed immigration plan, with a tax-reform proposal that is deservedly earning plaudits from conservative experts. I repeat my contention that (apart from a certain Huckster) the Republican field this year is in many ways a font of riches rather than a big disappointment. There are at least four candidates whom I personally could support with serious enthusiasm, and another several (counting ones who already have dropped out) who I would be/have been happy (even if not enthusiastic) to support in light of the terrible (Hillary et al) opposition.

Meanwhile, whether too late or not is anybody's guess, but I do believe Thompson is seriously stepping up his game, and that he has an innate sense of political timing that may well turn the tide in his favor. Again, this is not a prediction, but merely an observation that Yogi Berra was right about when it ain't over.

Finally (and this is actually a different subject), I do wish the Republican candidates would spend less time attacking each other and more talking about why conservatism is better than the lefty junk being offered by the Democratic presidential candidates. So far, all of our front-running five candidates with the exception of Huckabee have done a good job at the latter WHEN THEY do it at all -- but, except for Giuliani in several of the debates, they haven't done enough of it because they spend too much time attacking each other.
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The defacto endorsements of the serious conservative press for Thompson are building.

IBS all but endorsed Thompson yesterday.

How can anyone NOT like Fred Thompson? He's the most intelligent and qualified candidate in the field, bar none.

Wednesday's debate promises to be a doosey!

Go Fred Go!
 

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