8 team playoff proposal for college football

WCBias · Nov 26, 2007

It's so easy and you still get your crap bowls, which are still meaningless in the current system. This was in the LV paper today but makes the most sense.

6 conference champions from BCS conferences - 2 at large teams.
MWC/WAC/MAC/SB/CUSA can get automatic qualifier if team is ranked in top 10 at end of season (similar to BCS rankings)...otherwise 2 at-large teams.

The first round should be played at the home field of the higher ranked team. The Semi's and Finals would be rotated between Orange, Sugar, and Rose...sorry Fiesta, no tradition.

fhmesq44 · Nov 26, 2007

16 teams would be even better. There is no reason to exclude the conference winners of the non-BCS conferences. There are 11 total conferences, 16 teams leaves 5 at large bids and typically the first team left out is ranked about 13th or so. Go back to 11 games instead of 12. In reality the Sun Belt doesn't deserve a bid and a play in would be better, but whatever, minor point.

Auto bids to all conference winners and keep the crap bowls as an NIT of sorts. Frankly, no one cares about them now and the same shitty 7-5 teams will be playing in them.

First two rounds would be played at home or higher seed, then rotate as you say. Every year I hammer on this with my friends and no one can give any rational argument against it, only emotional ones about the bowls and tradition, blah blah blah.

Once this weekend's games end I will post what this playoff would look like. One reason I like 16 more than 8 is that you could have a very highly ranked team left out with only 8. Say OU beats Mizzou, either KU or Mizzou is left out while ranked about 4th or 5th, that team should be playing in a playoff.

VIEJODINOSAUR · Nov 26, 2007

An undefeated untied team in most circumstances are usually not the best teams....and alot of 1 loss teams have a valid point of being number one...playoff system is desparately needed...I have no problem seeing a multi-loss team winning a national championship...some conferences are tougher and better than others....

TomBrady#1 · Nov 26, 2007

It would be great regardless but if you could get the top 16 team,s it would be the best playoff all the time. NCAA is dumb.

mike0187 · Nov 26, 2007

as much as I dislike the BCS...I think it actually worked out this year...

the whole "every game is a playoff game" argument was really true this season.

as much as I think LSU is one of the top two teams in the country, they lost their "playoff" game vs Arkansas.

fhmesq44 · Nov 26, 2007

BTW, added benefit of the playoff system would be to re-introduce monster regular season non-conference games since teams wouldn't have to worry about losing and being left out. Back in the day we had OU-UT (obviously they play now, but it was non-conference back then), OU-USC, Miami-OU, Miami-ND - even Mich/ND is going to stop soon (at least for a while), UCLA-Neb, UCLA-UT (when UCLA was good) - I forget others. A playoff would actually make the regular season better. The only current "big" non-conf games are UF-FSU, Miami-FSU, ND-USC and Mich-ND (all of which have lost some luster).

Mack Brown is on record of saying he no longer wants to play games like UT-Ohio St b/c of the potential impact on BCS and NC.

fhmesq44 · Nov 26, 2007

mike0187 said:
as much as I dislike the BCS...I think it actually worked out this year...

the whole "every game is a playoff game" argument was really true this season.

as much as I think LSU is one of the top two teams in the country, they lost their "playoff" game vs Arkansas.

problem is the playing field isn't level. Teams like WVU play in a sh*t conference and play sh*t non-conference teams thus scheduling themselves into the position they are in. The same would hold true for the currently shitty ACC, I will leave the Big 11 out of this as they are typically deeper/better than this year, but OSU is in the same position this year with their joke of a non-conf schedule and joke of a conference. Plus, you have 3 of 6 teams with championship games.

PokerKingJim · Nov 26, 2007

fhmesq44 said:
16 teams would be even better. There is no reason to exclude the conference winners of the non-BCS conferences. There are 11 total conferences, 16 teams leaves 5 at large bids and typically the first team left out is ranked about 13th or so. Go back to 11 games instead of 12. In reality the Sun Belt doesn't deserve a bid and a play in would be better, but whatever, minor point.

Auto bids to all conference winners and keep the crap bowls as an NIT of sorts. Frankly, no one cares about them now and the same shitty 7-5 teams will be playing in them.

First two rounds would be played at home or higher seed, then rotate as you say. Every year I hammer on this with my friends and no one can give any rational argument against it, only emotional ones about the bowls and tradition, blah blah blah.

Once this weekend's games end I will post what this playoff would look like. One reason I like 16 more than 8 is that you could have a very highly ranked team left out with only 8. Say OU beats Mizzou, either KU or Mizzou is left out while ranked about 4th or 5th, that team should be playing in a playoff.

Exactly the system I would use. All of the conference champions should have a shot at the national title. Use the BCS rankings to seed the teams and to determine the 5 at large teams

WCBias · Nov 26, 2007

mike0187 said:
as much as I dislike the BCS...I think it actually worked out this year...

the whole "every game is a playoff game" argument was really true this season.

as much as I think LSU is one of the top two teams in the country, they lost their "playoff" game vs Arkansas.

I just don't get this line of thinking. WV's best win was 9-3 Cincinnati. Ohio State's best win was 9-3 Wisconsin. Kansas best win was Texas A&M. I'm not taking anything away from these teams, you play what is on your schedule, but this current system rewards teams that play easy schedules.

LSU beat three teams currently ranked in the top 25, two in the top 10, and two others that were ranked in the top 15 at one point this season. If WV or tOSU played that schedule they too would not be in position to play for the national championship....simple as that.

WCBias · Nov 26, 2007

fhmesq44 said:
16 teams would be even better. There is no reason to exclude the conference winners of the non-BCS conferences. There are 11 total conferences, 16 teams leaves 5 at large bids and typically the first team left out is ranked about 13th or so. Go back to 11 games instead of 12. In reality the Sun Belt doesn't deserve a bid and a play in would be better, but whatever, minor point.

Auto bids to all conference winners and keep the crap bowls as an NIT of sorts. Frankly, no one cares about them now and the same shitty 7-5 teams will be playing in them.

First two rounds would be played at home or higher seed, then rotate as you say. Every year I hammer on this with my friends and no one can give any rational argument against it, only emotional ones about the bowls and tradition, blah blah blah.

Once this weekend's games end I will post what this playoff would look like. One reason I like 16 more than 8 is that you could have a very highly ranked team left out with only 8. Say OU beats Mizzou, either KU or Mizzou is left out while ranked about 4th or 5th, that team should be playing in a playoff.

Obviously 16 is the best option, but at this point its not remotely realistic. Shoot, 8 isn't even realistic until we can get to a 4 team play off (or the plus 1 that gets thrown about).

I do think that if we can get to an 8-team playoff, a 16-team playoff is not far behind, it's just a matter of the powers that be seeing change makes sense, and in this case, change makes perfect sense.

steaktartar · Nov 26, 2007

as long as the gators are invited each year im all for it

fhmesq44 · Nov 26, 2007

WC Bias said:
Obviously 16 is the best option, but at this point its not remotely realistic. Shoot, 8 isn't even realistic until we can get to a 4 team play off (or the plus 1 that gets thrown about).

I do think that if we can get to an 8-team playoff, a 16-team playoff is not far behind, it's just a matter of the powers that be seeing change makes sense, and in this case, change makes perfect sense.

Plus 1 is the absolute worst idea.

WCBias · Nov 26, 2007

fhmesq44 said:
Plus 1 is the absolute worst idea.

I agree, but it gets the ball rolling. Once a playoff format is implimented then it will eventually be expanded to include more teams. I'm guessing a 4-team (plus 1) format would change to an 8-team format within 5 years...it will probably be another 15 to 20 before we see a 16 team format.

PokerKingJim · Nov 26, 2007

fhmesq44 said:
Plus 1 is the absolute worst idea.

Agree. Would solve none of the current problems

WVU · Nov 26, 2007

I think the current format is just fine THIS year.

:wink:

TurfAuthority · Nov 26, 2007

WC Bias said:
It's so easy and you still get your crap bowls, which are still meaningless in the current system. This was in the LV paper today but makes the most sense.

6 conference champions from BCS conferences - 2 at large teams.
MWC/WAC/MAC/SB/CUSA can get automatic qualifier if team is ranked in top 10 at end of season (similar to BCS rankings)...otherwise 2 at-large teams.

The first round should be played at the home field of the higher ranked team. The Semi's and Finals would be rotated between Orange, Sugar, and Rose...sorry Fiesta, no tradition.

WC, the BCS boys say that makes to much sense.

Wrigley · Nov 26, 2007

fhmesq44 said:
Plus 1 is the absolute worst idea.

Agree but thats what were going to get next,playoff system still years away:nopityA:

mofome · Nov 26, 2007

mike0187 said:
as much as I dislike the BCS...I think it actually worked out this year...

the whole "every game is a playoff game" argument was really true this season.

as much as I think LSU is one of the top two teams in the country, they lost their "playoff" game vs Arkansas.

huh, then what about osus playoff loss to illinois at home?

:103631605

mofome · Nov 26, 2007

if your best win is cinci, wiscosin or kansas....then you're out.

arty:

Wrigley · Nov 26, 2007

WC Bias said:
It's so easy and you still get your crap bowls, which are still meaningless in the current system. This was in the LV paper today but makes the most sense.

6 conference champions from BCS conferences - 2 at large teams.
MWC/WAC/MAC/SB/CUSA can get automatic qualifier if team is ranked in top 10 at end of season (similar to BCS rankings)...otherwise 2 at-large teams.

The first round should be played at the home field of the higher ranked team. The Semi's and Finals would be rotated between Orange, Sugar, and Rose...sorry Fiesta, no tradition.

I still say play the round of 8 on New years day using the major 4 bowls, make New Years day the biggest day in college football like it used to be

The winners advance to the final 4 and play 10-12 days later one game Wednesday night the next Thursday night (this way you dont compete with the NFL playoffs) cities could but in bids to host the final 4 like they do NCAA basketball.

Then play the Championship game the bye week of the Super Bowl again cities would bid to host the game.