So under no scenairo a team like Hawaii could EVER win a National Championship, SAD!!

Iceman · Dec 1, 2007

Even in the most unbelievable of years half the teams in Divison 1 football have NO CHANCE to complete for the National Championship.

How fair is that? Almost every major team can lose twice and teams like Hawaii can have a PERFECT season and still they can't win it and this is why CFB is by far the DUMBEST sport going.

How anyone can justify this is beyond me. Why would Hawaii even play divsion 1 football and I am not just using Hawaii as an example, this involves every mid major type school.

The worse part is there is now a growing group I hear on the radio shows that think the old bowl system is better. Either way both systems are so unbelieveably bad and leave everyone with an empty feeling at the end of the year.

5teamparlay · Dec 1, 2007

These teams have to be established like BOISE ST. and make it to a BCS bowl like they did. I think Utah did as well previously. After that, you are ranked high to begin the season and you can't be denied. It's a multi-year deal for non-BCS schools.

But it is possible.

fhmesq44 · Dec 1, 2007

I am a HUGE proponent of a playoff, but Hawaii is a fairly bad example. They struggled against some HORRIBLE teams (La Tech and SJSU at a minimum). If you had last year's Boise or previous undefeated Utah, they would be playing for an NC this year. Yes, Hawaii is undefeated, but they have rarely been convincing enough for a non-BCS team to have a chance. B/S, sure

Iceman · Dec 1, 2007

5teamparlay said:
These teams have to be established like BOISE ST. and make it to a BCS bowl like they did. I think Utah did as well previously. After that, you are ranked high to begin the season and you can't be denied. It's a multi-year deal for non-BCS schools.

But it is possible.

So basically you are saying they have to have 2 undefeated seasons in a row? While everyone else can lose twice and still nothing.

Look I am not saying Hawaii would win the game but how stupid is it that they absolutely have no shot no matter what happens. Something is wrong with the system when this is the case.

No other sport has anything close to being this bad. THIS SPORTS SUCKS.

Iceman · Dec 1, 2007

fhmesq44 said:
I am a HUGE proponent of a playoff, but Hawaii is a fairly bad example. They struggled against some HORRIBLE teams (La Tech and SJSU at a minimum). If you had last year's Boise or previous undefeated Utah, they would be playing for an NC this year. Yes, Hawaii is undefeated, but they have rarely been convincing enough for a non-BCS team to have a chance. B/S, sure

Call it struggling but they DID NOT LOSE and that shoold be all that matters not what we think would happen, if that was the case than why play all these games and have all these upsets. This is what we are taught and told are whole lives. This isnt a beauty contest, this is football.

fhmesq44 · Dec 1, 2007

sadly CFB is a beauty contest until it has a playoff. You have to win and win convincingly and they only did one of those.

GreenDoberman · Dec 1, 2007

What 5teamparlay is saying is correct. It is what I termed "tradition bias" in my thread. Last year and even the years before that have a bearing on where teams are ranked at the start of the year. That along with an early loss counting better than a late loss are the two flaws in the college game.

FairWarning · Dec 1, 2007

Hawaii could have scheduled anyone besides N Colorado AND Colorado So. Safe to say any two-loss teams would love to have those two on the schedule.

PokerKingJim · Dec 1, 2007

It is sad. But with the current system, I wouldn't put them in the title game either. Obviously, teams like Hawaii need a playoff system to have a chance at a title

dave11486 · Dec 1, 2007

The system would be even more of a joke if Hawaii got a shot. Teams like Hawaii get embarrassed on the grand stage. Flashy offense and no defense. Kind of reminds me of WVU.

GreenDoberman · Dec 1, 2007

FW,
To be fair to Hawaii, I'm pretty sure they had to schedule those teams as replacements after Michigan State and Texas backed out. I don't think any big-name schools are going to want to make a trip to the islands.

GreenDoberman · Dec 1, 2007

That's precisely the point Dave. The system is a joke, why not expose it even more.

FairWarning · Dec 1, 2007

GreenDoberman said:
FW,
To be fair to Hawaii, I'm pretty sure they had to schedule those teams as replacements after Michigan State and Texas backed out. I don't think any big-name schools are going to want to make a trip to the islands.

There are many made-for tv games that Hawaii always to escape, espically at the beginning of the season like the various Kickoff Classics. Everyone knew who Colt Brenner was then. Boise played at Georgia a couple of years ago, Hawaii will have to do the same.

Iceman · Dec 1, 2007

dave11486 said:
The system would be even more of a joke if Hawaii got a shot. Teams like Hawaii get embarrassed on the grand stage. Flashy offense and no defense. Kind of reminds me of WVU.

So you are saying that teams like Hawaii have no shot no matter what happens? Please explain to me what other sport tells over half of its teams that no matter they do that they can not win the end of the season championships. Anyone that does not think this isnt wrong is crazy (IMO). Why even care if you are Hawaii, what are you playing for to be 14th best?

Grand stage? The same stage 10 number 1 and 2's have the shit themselves on. No one could have called half of these upsets and to say you know for sure they would lose is dumb.

GreenDoberman · Dec 1, 2007

At the beginning of the season I had eliminated Hawaii and Boise already. The BCS is controlled by the power conferences. They want one of their own.

FairWarning · Dec 1, 2007

Iceman said:
So you are saying that teams like Hawaii have no shot no matter what happens? Please explain to me what other sport tells over half of its teams that no matter they do that they can not win the end of the season championships. Anyone that does not think this isnt wrong is crazy (IMO). Why even care if you are Hawaii, what are you playing for to be 14th best?

Grand stage? The same stage 10 number 1 and 2's have the shit themselves on. No one could have called half of these upsets and to say you know for sure they would lose is dumb.

So its fair that Hawaii plays only 10 Div 1 games, gets an at-large while everyone else plays 11-13 games vs Div 1?

Iceman · Dec 1, 2007

I can promise you whomever it was other than BSU that doesnt play in the big 6 conferences (other than ND) would still not be in. Why do these teams have to do way mre than teams that lose twice is all I am saying. To not even be mentioned with the 2 loss teams is wrong. There was never a shot.

Dont tell me a team like Hawaii couldnt keep up with a Missouri or WVA (those teams are far from powerhouses) on a neutral field for 1 game this year. I can promise you they would play a good game.

FairWarning · Dec 1, 2007

GreenDoberman said:
At the beginning of the season I had eliminated Hawaii and Boise already. The BCS is controlled by the power conferences. They want one of their own.

It will always be like that too. Until there is balanced scheduling and not the power teams scheduling eight home games, there will be a bias.

lapdance · Dec 1, 2007

hawaii schedule is comparable to the horseshit schedule that ohio st played.

FairWarning · Dec 1, 2007

Iceman said:
I can promise you whomever it was other than BSU that doesnt play in the big 6 conferences (other than ND) would still not be in. Why do these teams have to do way mre than teams that lose twice is all I am saying. To not even be mentioned with the 2 loss teams is wrong. There was never a shot.

Dont tell me a team like Hawaii couldnt keep up with a Missouri or WVA (those teams are far from powerhouses) on a neutral field for 1 game this year. I can promise you they would play a good game.

When you schedule two non Div 1 games, that is two games Hawaii will not lose. Why should everyone else take the risk in a season full of huge upsets, but not Hawaii?