Well im a big LSU guy, and I can still remember his glory days as a 17year old at LSU. Its hard to imagine that this is the same player.
I wish he would have hung it up after the title. Perfect way to end a career.
I started a thread about that 2 years ago.
You could see the beginning of the end even then.
Shaq 2 years ago reminded me of John Elway when he won the SuperBowl at the end of his career. Not nearly the player that he use to be, but still good enough to ride the shoulders of Terrell Davis. Wade was Shaqs Terrell Davis. Now he is so far gone there is no hope.
I knew along time ago that shaq would not age well. He never developed much basketball skill over his career. His entire career has been power and physical force with almost no skill. Once a person with no skill loses there athletic ability, you have nothing left to hang your hat on anymore.
15 of these guys better than shaq? I vote Eric Dampier
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Joel Anthony C, Miami Heat</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Earl Barron C, Miami Heat</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Andris Biedrins C, Golden State Warriors</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Mark Blount C, Miami Heat</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Andrew Bogut C, Milwaukee Bucks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Calvin Booth C, Philadelphia 76ers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Primoz Brezec C, Charlotte Bobcats</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Kwame Brown C, Los Angeles Lakers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Andrew Bynum C, Los Angeles Lakers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Marcus Camby C, Denver Nuggets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Tyson Chandler C, New Orleans Hornets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Jarron Collins C, Utah Jazz</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Jason Collins C, New Jersey Nets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Nick Collison C, Seattle SuperSonics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Eddy Curry C, New York Knicks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Samuel Dalembert C, Philadelphia 76ers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Erick Dampier C, Dallas Mavericks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Paul Davis C, Los Angeles Clippers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>DeSagana Diop C, Dallas Mavericks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Michael Doleac C, Minnesota Timberwolves</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Francisco Elson C, San Antonio Spurs</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Melvin Ely C, New Orleans Hornets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Kyrylo Fesenko C, Utah Jazz</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Jeff Foster C, Indiana Pacers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Adonal Foyle C, Orlando Magic</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dan Gadzuric C, Milwaukee Bucks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Pau Gasol C, Memphis Grizzlies</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Aaron Gray C, Chicago Bulls</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>David Harrison C, Indiana Pacers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Spencer Hawes C, Sacramento Kings</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Brendan Haywood C, Washington Wizards</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Ryan Hollins C, Charlotte Bobcats</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dwight Howard C, Orlando Magic</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Zydrunas Ilgauskas C, Cleveland Cavaliers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Chris Kaman C, Los Angeles Clippers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Nenad Krstic C, New Jersey Nets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Jamaal Magloire C, New Jersey Nets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Ian Mahinmi C, San Antonio Spurs</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Sean Marks C, Phoenix Suns</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>D.J. Mbenga C, Golden State Warriors</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Chris Mihm C, Los Angeles Lakers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Brad Miller C, Sacramento Kings</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Yao Ming C, Houston Rockets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Nazr Mohammed C, Detroit Pistons</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Randolph Morris C, New York Knicks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Alonzo Mourning C, Miami Heat</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Troy Murphy C, Indiana Pacers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dikembe Mutombo C, Houston Rockets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Rasho Nesterovic C, Toronto Raptors</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Patrick O'Bryant C, Golden State Warriors</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Shaquille O'Neal C, Miami Heat</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Fabricio Oberto C, San Antonio Spurs</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Greg Oden C, Portland Trail Blazers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Emeka Okafor C, Charlotte Bobcats</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Mehmet Okur C, Utah Jazz</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Zaza Pachulia C, Atlanta Hawks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Oleksiy Pecherov C, Washington Wizards</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Kendrick Perkins C, Boston Celtics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Kosta Perovic C, Golden State Warriors</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Johan Petro C, Seattle SuperSonics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Scot Pollard C, Boston Celtics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Joel Przybilla C, Portland Trail Blazers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Theo Ratliff C, Minnesota Timberwolves</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Michael Ruffin C, Milwaukee Bucks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Cheikh Samb C, Detroit Pistons</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Mouhamed Sene C, Seattle SuperSonics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Amare Stoudemire C, Phoenix Suns</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Robert Swift C, Seattle SuperSonics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Stromile Swift C, Memphis Grizzlies</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Etan Thomas C, Washington Wizards</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Anderson Varejao C, Cleveland Cavaliers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Jake Voskuhl C, Milwaukee Bucks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Ben Wallace C, Chicago Bulls</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Darryl Watkins C, Sacramento Kings</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Aaron Williams C, Los Angeles Clippers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Lorenzen Wright C, Atlanta Hawks</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Joel Anthony C, Miami Heat</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Earl Barron C, Miami Heat</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Andris Biedrins C, Golden State Warriors</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Mark Blount C, Miami Heat</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Andrew Bogut C, Milwaukee Bucks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Calvin Booth C, Philadelphia 76ers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Primoz Brezec C, Charlotte Bobcats</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Kwame Brown C, Los Angeles Lakers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Andrew Bynum C, Los Angeles Lakers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Marcus Camby C, Denver Nuggets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Tyson Chandler C, New Orleans Hornets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Jarron Collins C, Utah Jazz</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Jason Collins C, New Jersey Nets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Nick Collison C, Seattle SuperSonics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Eddy Curry C, New York Knicks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Samuel Dalembert C, Philadelphia 76ers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Erick Dampier C, Dallas Mavericks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Paul Davis C, Los Angeles Clippers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>DeSagana Diop C, Dallas Mavericks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Michael Doleac C, Minnesota Timberwolves</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Francisco Elson C, San Antonio Spurs</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Melvin Ely C, New Orleans Hornets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Kyrylo Fesenko C, Utah Jazz</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Jeff Foster C, Indiana Pacers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Adonal Foyle C, Orlando Magic</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dan Gadzuric C, Milwaukee Bucks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Pau Gasol C, Memphis Grizzlies</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Aaron Gray C, Chicago Bulls</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>David Harrison C, Indiana Pacers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Spencer Hawes C, Sacramento Kings</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Brendan Haywood C, Washington Wizards</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Ryan Hollins C, Charlotte Bobcats</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dwight Howard C, Orlando Magic</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Zydrunas Ilgauskas C, Cleveland Cavaliers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Chris Kaman C, Los Angeles Clippers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Nenad Krstic C, New Jersey Nets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Jamaal Magloire C, New Jersey Nets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Ian Mahinmi C, San Antonio Spurs</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Sean Marks C, Phoenix Suns</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>D.J. Mbenga C, Golden State Warriors</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Chris Mihm C, Los Angeles Lakers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Brad Miller C, Sacramento Kings</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Yao Ming C, Houston Rockets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Nazr Mohammed C, Detroit Pistons</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Randolph Morris C, New York Knicks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Alonzo Mourning C, Miami Heat</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Troy Murphy C, Indiana Pacers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Dikembe Mutombo C, Houston Rockets</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Rasho Nesterovic C, Toronto Raptors</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Patrick O'Bryant C, Golden State Warriors</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Shaquille O'Neal C, Miami Heat</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Fabricio Oberto C, San Antonio Spurs</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Greg Oden C, Portland Trail Blazers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Emeka Okafor C, Charlotte Bobcats</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Mehmet Okur C, Utah Jazz</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Zaza Pachulia C, Atlanta Hawks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Oleksiy Pecherov C, Washington Wizards</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Kendrick Perkins C, Boston Celtics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Kosta Perovic C, Golden State Warriors</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Johan Petro C, Seattle SuperSonics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Scot Pollard C, Boston Celtics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Joel Przybilla C, Portland Trail Blazers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Theo Ratliff C, Minnesota Timberwolves</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Michael Ruffin C, Milwaukee Bucks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Cheikh Samb C, Detroit Pistons</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Mouhamed Sene C, Seattle SuperSonics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Amare Stoudemire C, Phoenix Suns</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Robert Swift C, Seattle SuperSonics</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Stromile Swift C, Memphis Grizzlies</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Etan Thomas C, Washington Wizards</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Anderson Varejao C, Cleveland Cavaliers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Jake Voskuhl C, Milwaukee Bucks</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Ben Wallace C, Chicago Bulls</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Darryl Watkins C, Sacramento Kings</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Aaron Williams C, Los Angeles Clippers</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Lorenzen Wright C, Atlanta Hawks</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Looking at the list of centers - Shaq is still a top 5 - he still commands a double team - I don't consider Stoudamire a center - he's really a SF/PF - but to wash this - I consider Duncan a center - so here's the top 5 in no order - man, there is no good centers and it's the most important spot - but scorers at the SG/SF seem to go on forever.
Yao
Howard
Duncan
Gasol
Shaq
Then there's Okafor where I really don't know where to rate - but I would still rather have Shaq.
Yao
Howard
Duncan
Gasol
Shaq
Then there's Okafor where I really don't know where to rate - but I would still rather have Shaq.
