Radio host said something that struck me

gtc08 · Dec 12, 2007

What he said was basically you can't expect a 25 year old to exhibit morals, character and values when a 50 year old can't do the same thing. This comment was specifically in regard to the Petrino bail out to Arkansas.

It got me thinking though. We blame everyone else but ourselves for our actions, and I think the younger generation (my generation) has picked up on it. I think parents need to spend more time setting a better example for there kids instead of watching CSI. This Petrino example was just a perfect example of a man showing no care whatsoever of all the staff, fans, etc. he bailed on just to improve his situation. So then what do you expect when a 25 year old athlete does something stupid like Petrino did. Who did he pick it up from? He picked it up from the guy we fail to criticize? Whether it be what Petrino did, or driving drunk like La Russa, we never criticize the people who should be setting the examples.

ProPokerPlayer · Dec 12, 2007

So true..Let us not forget the millions of elementary and junior high school kids who were intorduced to oral "not sex" by our great president SOS Clinton.....Now this country thinks about electing his provider/enabler/liar/conartist to be the next role model of this country....Thats what liberalism is all about, its not the persons fault for anything they do but the system which corrupts lives.......liberals and accountibility...1 or the other has to go.........

whalewager · Dec 12, 2007

destruction of our families is because the Dads arent around.

either working or just dont give a shit about their kids enough to play an active role.

ProPokerPlayer · Dec 12, 2007

Another great example...496 crackheads can apply today for reduced sentences after the court ruling a few days ago that crack jail terms were to long....496 in louisiana alone......so our country is 30% illegals who dont give a damn about America, 50% liberals who dont give a damn about America and now we want to flood our streets with 25000 drug crazed idiots who dont care about anything !!!!!!!! How many crimes will they commit? how many murders will they commit?????? will they decide to take up school shooting as a hobby when the crack gets low?????????

PBR · Dec 12, 2007

ProPokerPlayer said:
liberals and accountibility...1 or the other has to go.........

Amen PPP

This quote should be written on the subway walls...and tenement halls

cincy_ · Dec 12, 2007

gtc08 said:
It got me thinking though. We blame everyone else but ourselves for our actions, and I think the younger generation (my generation) has picked up on it. I think parents need to spend more time setting a better example for there kids instead of watching CSI.

Do not take this personally but research shows exactly the opposite.

This generation of 16-25 year olds are the most protected ... they expect more than any generation ... they blame their parents more than any generation ... their parents complain more than any generation ...

... and when you talk about what the parents should do, you essentially make my point.

In my day, I would take the bus to hockey and swim practice since I was 10 years old ... if I wanted to go anywhere, I was expected to bike there ... and if it was too far to bike, then my parents could care less .. it was my problem, not theirs ... and if I fuckt up, I was not allowed to blame someone else for it.

oldirtyku · Dec 12, 2007

GTC I usually agree with you but not today... People should leave these coaches alone. People take jobs all the time and hate them and can leave if they want… Maybe it only took him a year to realize the NFL was not for him...

But since he is in the public eye it's different.

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The young kids are messed up in the head b/c of hip hop...

queposkid · Dec 12, 2007

Petrino bailed..no doubt..but argument can be made he walked into land mine..yes bad example, but lets watch Miles eventually take the Michigan job..People do whats best for them..Remember Arkansas took this dude immediately, whats their problem??

cincy_ · Dec 12, 2007

queposkid said:
Petrino bailed..no doubt..

... and a 25 year old cannot use Petrino as an excuse for his/her actions.

I expect a 50 year old to exhibit morals ... and a 25 year old to exhibit morals.

ProPokerPlayer · Dec 12, 2007

Remember Arkansas took this dude immediately, whats their problem??

He was like the 6th guy they offered the job to and all the others turned them down...Word of all these rejections was getting out and in another day or 2 speculation would have been rampant that something was wrong with the job and then no upper tier coach would have accepted it...They were desperate to get someone signed ASAP....

terps1313 · Dec 12, 2007

People do switch jobs constantly. The problem was the way he went about it. Lied directly to the owners face the day before accepting the Arkansas job. I always thought Petrino was a deucebag, now its confirmed.

jwunderdog · Dec 12, 2007

Was Petrino unemployed before he took the ATL job? You are blaming the wrong people , it is not the coaches that are to blame it is the teams and Universities. The win "NOW" mentality is the problem in team sports, and it is the cause of all the instability in coaching. The "NOW" mentality is also the reason for a lot of what is going wrong in society as a whole.

DrunkenHorseplayer · Dec 12, 2007

gtc08 said:
What he said was basically you can't expect a 25 year old to exhibit morals, character and values when a 50 year old can't do the same thing. This comment was specifically in regard to the Petrino bail out to Arkansas.

It got me thinking though. We blame everyone else but ourselves for our actions, and I think the younger generation (my generation) has picked up on it. I think parents need to spend more time setting a better example for there kids instead of watching CSI. This Petrino example was just a perfect example of a man showing no care whatsoever of all the staff, fans, etc. he bailed on just to improve his situation. So then what do you expect when a 25 year old athlete does something stupid like Petrino did. Who did he pick it up from? He picked it up from the guy we fail to criticize? Whether it be what Petrino did, or driving drunk like La Russa, we never criticize the people who should be setting the examples.

How do you figure taking a new job constitutes a lack of character, etc? Fuck the staff and the fans; when you get an opportunity to get a better job you take it.

cincy_ · Dec 12, 2007

Dsethi said:
The research you're referring to undoubtedly analyzed a specific segment of the population, namely middle/upper class white families.

99% of research I've seen has absolutely correlated proactive parenting and increased presence of both parents with 'successful' children inside and outside the classroom. Are some children over-parented? Absolutely. But that's not the problem you'll find with youth today. Vast majority are reactively and under-parented and don't set limits and examples to begin with.

Blaming someone else and being allowed to bike where you want are two completely different aspects of parenting as well.

I am not saying protective parenting does not produce "successful" children ... it does ... but it also produces a shifting of responsibility in that if you fuck up, it's never your fault.

What I focused on was an attribute of this generation that is brought about by this protection. It is this generation's desire to "complain, blame and expect" ... and my post was in reply to the first post in this thread that said:

"you can't expect a 25 year old to exhibit morals, character and values when a 50 year old can't do the same thing"

... which is typical of this generation in that they blame their shortcomings on someone else ... "If Petrino can't show morals and character, I shouldn't have to either?" ... this is the typical argument they make ... and this type of behavior is a direct result of protective parenting ...

I was not protected ... so I never had that problem ... if I fuckt up, I couldn't blame it on Petrino ... if I had to do something, it was my problem ... I could never make it my parents' problem ...

cincy_ · Dec 12, 2007

Drunken Horseplayer said:
How do you figure taking a new job constitutes a lack of character, etc?

6 months after signing a 10 year contract in Louisville, he goes to the Falcons.

6 months after signing a 5 year contract in Atlanta, he goes to Arkansas.

It takes a scumbag to keep signing 5 and 10 year contracts and then bolting ... would I ever hire a guy like that? NEVER!!!

... and the kicker is that the scumbag didn't even meet with the owner to tell him he was leaving.

PBR · Dec 12, 2007

cincy_ said:
Do not take this personally but research shows exactly the opposite.

This generation of 16-25 year olds are the most protected ... they expect more than any generation ... they blame their parents more than any generation ... their parents complain more than any generation ...

... and when you talk about what the parents should do, you essentially make my point.

In my day, I would take the bus to hockey and swim practice since I was 10 years old ... if I wanted to go anywhere, I was expected to bike there ... and if it was too far to bike, then my parents could care less .. it was my problem, not theirs ... and if I fuckt up, I was not allowed to blame someone else for it.

Cincy, you make excellent points...I agree we have created a "soft" generation or maybe even two now whose first instinct is to blame others for anything and everything. Like you, it was different when i was growing up. I had loving parents but was not coddled by any stretch of the imagination.

cincy_ · Dec 12, 2007

PBR said:
Cincy, you make excellent points...I agree we have created a "soft" generation or maybe even two now whose first instinct is to blame others for anything and everything. Like you, it was different when i was growing up. I had loving parents but was not coddled by any stretch of the imagination.

You're choice of the word "SOFT" is dead on .... I am going to have to steal that word.

fhmesq44 · Dec 12, 2007

cincy_ said:
I am not saying protective parenting does not produce "successful" children ... it does ... but it also produces a shifting of responsibility in that if you fuck up, it's never your fault.

What I focused on was an attribute of this generation that is brought about by this protection. It is this generation's desire to "complain, blame and expect" ... and my post was in reply to the first post in this thread that said:
"you can't expect a 25 year old to exhibit morals, character and values when a 50 year old can't do the same thing"

... which is typical of this generation in that they blame their shortcomings on someone else ... "If Petrino can't show morals and character, I shouldn't have to either?" ... this is the typical argument they make ... and this type of behavior is a direct result of protective parenting ...

I was not protected ... so I never had that problem ... if I fuckt up, I couldn't blame it on Petrino ... if I had to do something, it was my problem ... I could never make it my parents' problem ...

All conjecture. While I completely agree that there is a general societal problem that no one takes responsibility for their own actions, to make the leap that is the result of over protective parents is all conjecture. Children do what the see and learn, they do learn that from parents as well as society at large, but there is no basis to show that over protective parents are more likely to avoid responsibility for their actions (or teach their children that) than those parents that aren't over protective.

Intuitively lacking parental involvement would lead to children shirking responsibility (why should I take responsibility when my mother and father don't take it for me). If a parent teaches its children to be responsible for their own actions, they will. If the parents don't teach that or aren't responsible themselves, the children won't be either. If the parents aren't present or involved, the children will learn responsibility or not learn it on their own/from society.

I entirely agree that society and people generally attempt to shirk responsibility, just don't see the connection with over parenting.

personally, I think over parenting turns kids into dependant pussies who can't think and act for themselves

cincy_ · Dec 12, 2007

fhmesq44 said:
All conjecture. While I completely agree that there is a general societal problem that no one takes responsibility for their own actions, to make the leap that is the result of over protective parents is all conjecture. Children do what the see and learn, they do learn that from parents as well as society at large, but there is no basis to show that over protective parents are more likely to avoid responsibility for their actions (or teach their children that) than those parents that aren't over protective.

It is not all conjecture. The basis is a study done that tracked "complaints" in high schools and colleges.

In that study, parents/students of "protected" kids seem to "complain" about bad grades and blame it on other factors (classmates, teachers, classtime, lack of notes, etc.) ... while children whose parents stress independance are more likely to "accept" a low grade.

It is a truly fascinating study. I will post the link if I find it, but it might be done by Carol Dweck .. who used to be at Columbia and is now at Stanford, I think.

PS: I know you'll ask how they classified "protected kids" from the rest ... I am not sure, but I think it was simply from a questionaire that parents filled out

burn_in_hell_Atta · Dec 12, 2007

yup loved but not coddled. At 9 years old I was on Hyde Park Avenue stealing bikes, painting them and selling/trading em, got a vicious backhand when I got caught. At the same time my dad would take me to poker games and I would play with the other guys kids down near maverick square in east boston, prince st in the north end, hanover st in the north end and in providence . I used to put all the money ina neat pile for the guys when playing poker and Bruno Sammartino always used to stick up for me when dad would give me a backhand. I used to swing on brunos bicep like a monkey bar when i was about 6 , Lernt how to play poker and watched many hands of pinnochole in smokey backrooms of pizza places , a laundramat and a social club. Best times were hanging out with my dads friends kids at that games roaming the streets , stealing from corner stores, hitting cars with tennis balls and snow balls, throwing a kid off his bike and ghost riding it straight into traffic, surrounding a stray mo that was out of place and giving him a dirty beating. fondly recall my dad kicking the shit out of more than a few greenhorns when they didnt clear the street fast enough when our car rolled up to our house, dad even said , son, im gonna show how you handle a stupid greenhorn before hopping out the car and kicking the crap outta a few guys. some greenhorn used to always blast his horn outside the naybors house evry saturday mornin to go fishing around 4 am until my dad pulled him out the car and beat him senseless , dad used to drink, fight and swear alot but my teachers never bothered to call home and report my bad behavior and i got away with alot of shit in the neighborhood, and now im great.

PBR said:
Cincy, you make excellent points...I agree we have created a "soft" generation or maybe even two now whose first instinct is to blame others for anything and everything. Like you, it was different when i was growing up. I had loving parents but was not coddled by any stretch of the imagination.