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I have always heard that these companies that offer debt settlement with CC companies are a rip off. I really dont see why a CC company would want to settle a CC debt with a consolidation company instead of working it out with the actual card holder. From what I have heard these consolidation companies charge insane fees for little to no help.

Now I see these companies willing to help you with Uncle Sam on back taxes. I also though IRS/Uncle sam would not settle on any amount on back taxes except what is owed? I have heard the IRS will place you on a payment plan but will not settle for anything less.

Anyone been scamed or had succes with either of the two?
 

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I don't think all the companies in this field are "for profit"

some actually exist to provide a support mechanism
 

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my next door neighbors used this a few years ago for CC and student loan debt and they came out great...you just gotta make sure that you deal with legitimate company...i used to drive him to make his payments and debt was gone in 3 years
 

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I don't think all the companies in this field are "for profit"

some actually exist to provide a support mechanism

great point never thought of the actual non-profit orgs. But I guess some of the non-profit orgs could be crooks are charge rediculious fees to pay upper managers inflatted salaries as well.

I knew someone who use to work for Cambridge Credit Counsuling (based near springfield mass)and the feds raided them as a boiler room operation. They paid like 4 million in fines and all was swept under the rug. I believe they were non-profit as well. Alot of guys were making 100K plus a year there just having their name on payroll for no-show jobs.
 

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As with most industries, there are scams out there and not scams.

The companies who claim they will eliminate your cc debt for pennies on the dollar are more than likely scams. What they do is you pay them a fee (which is much less than what you pay total in minimum fees per month to credit cards). They take your money, and basically advise you to not make any payments to your cc's and instead the consolidation company takes your money. They wait until the cc's decide to get whatever they can get from you, through this company. I am fairly sure it completely demolishes your credit.

I havent done this, but at one point in time looked into this kind of thing closely.
 

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great point never thought of the actual non-profit orgs. But I guess some of the non-profit orgs could be crooks are charge rediculious fees to pay upper managers inflatted salaries as well.

I knew someone who use to work for Cambridge Credit Counsuling (based near springfield mass)and the feds raided them as a boiler room operation. They paid like 4 million in fines and all was swept under the rug. I believe they were non-profit as well. Alot of guys were making 100K plus a year there just having their name on payroll for no-show jobs.
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Another example of timely posting--I was just talking about this with a friend of mine yesterday.

I went through a consumer credit counseling service about ten years ago. It was a non-profit organization and it did help--I was out of debt in a few years, but mainly because I got a job that paid a lot more. The only thing I didn't know going in was that this destroyed my credit. Having your credit report flagged as a consumer credit counseling client is almost like filing bankruptcy. I was able to recover rather quickly, however.

What my buddy was telling me about sounded different. Since he mentioned it to me, I've heard a number of different radio ads for services like this. They all say they're not like consumer credit counseling, so I don't know what they're all about. I checked out the website of the one that he talked to, but the website didn't explain HOW the program works.
 

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oh ok lol

thought you were in mass somewhere.

just had a few buddies work worked for that boiler room near springfield mass. curious on how legit companies like that are. so are you from mass? i though you were a hillbillie in the sticks :toast:
 

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fyi

I'm pretty sure when dealing with one of these companies (and successfully clearing things up or not) it shows up as a negative on your credit report that never goes away
 

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fyi

I'm pretty sure when dealing with one of these companies (and successfully clearing things up or not) it shows up as a negative on your credit report that never goes away


don't know if this is so...as my (old) neighbor was able to buy a 200k house and alao become a police officer about 6 months after i quit driving him to the service
 

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don't know if this is so...as my (old) neighbor was able to buy a 200k house and alao become a police officer about 6 months after i quit driving him to the service

don't know if he could pull that off in todays mortgage climate

the civil servant thing he could always easily snag lol
 

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don't know if he could pull that off in todays mortgage climate

the civil servant thing he could always easily snag lol

yea this was about 2 years ago...but it was before he became an officer
 

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No way does it affect your credit forever.

if anything, it could affect your credit for 7 years max imo
 

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I have been a mortgage broker for about 7 years now and see thousands of credit reports and here tons of stories every month.


A debt consolidation is basically in its simplest form - a private bankruptcy, HOWEVER it doesnt privetly affect your credit rating. It affects it the same or worse in more ways then one.

The best choice is to try and file Chapter 7 Bankruptcy and completely get rid of the debt with zero payback if possible, and if not go for chapter 13 and set up a payment plan with the most legitmate agency...THE GOVERNMENT themselves.

Here is a explanation on why a bankruptcy hurts u alot less than credit consolidation.


Lets say you have 10 accounts of cars/credit cards/student loans...etc etc that u are looking to consolidate. Well in a private consolidation those accounts total lets say 50K .

You owe 5K per account (jus for ease of math)

Your payment would normally be the 50K plus a nominal fee of 5-10% or less...so you would pay back around 55K total when all said and done....the longest usualy for these loans is 3 years. so 36 months and 55K is about 1500 every month of payback.

Now during this period your debts are frozen and interest cannot be added, but here is the MAJOR difference.....in a private consolidation the company doing the consolidation basically takes ur 1500 each month and sets up a bank account in your name for the funds....once 5K is banked they then pay an account off one by one, (so roughly every 3-4 months) and so on and so forth....now what the companies do who u have the debt with is lets say they are first to get paid. You then have a 120 day late payment on that credit rating of that one account....then comes the next account (roughly 240 days late...or at that point an official COLLECTION or judgement awarded to said company......now if u think about this that is really tearing up your credit, especially on the last 5 account which would exsist in collection for 2-3 years and not paid till the money is banked......truthfully u could do this on your own in your own bank account or set up payments with said creditors.

The real disadvantage is this....when u are in collection or on late payments your credit score begins to take a dive and gets buried BELOW 500 (impossilbe for any financing ) for a very long time and until the last account comes out of the payment which would be the FULL 3 years. So u suffer with very low credit and basically will have to put ur life on hold during this time...ALSO NEVER MISS A PAYMENT or everything comes back into forward mode (and full balances are due again + interest).


Now with bankruptcy obviously Chap 7 resets ur entire credit profile and u start like an 18 year old virgin and get credit offers almost on the way out of bankruptcy court....so lets compare the above method with CHAPTER 13 (repayment through US GOVERNMENT)


Chapter 13 - the same system however the 50K in accounts can be decided to settle for smaller (depending on budget) and can also be extended for up to 5 years.....The only fees involved is a lawyer fee of around 850 and court costs of roughly 450 $ (both of which can or sometimes cant be rolled in)....lets pretend u pay it up front.


so 50K / 60 months (5 years) and ur payments are only 830$ (this is if u have to repay the full debts which normally isnt the case, because it doesnt fit into ur budget (otherwise how did u get into situation))...but we will pretend it still budgets well.

so u save roughly 600-800$ each month and can put that money into a bank or savings account of your own (rather then the 1500 payment due to debt consolidators.

Also once the bankruptcy is started EVERY creditor has to freeze the account and only report one answer with two choices back to credit bureu.....1 is are u in a repayment plan through bankruptcy and satisfacotry and 2 is are u in default on repayment....now in chapter 13 bankruptcy if u miss one payment u can also be forced to start all over from the begining and interest charges may also be piled on top.........lets say u pay on time.....the number 1 statement of satisfactory payment is the EXACT same rating per Equifax guidlines as if u were a perfect paying customer on a normal credit account.....and here is why :

when you do a repayment through the government they dont have a bank account set up and pay money in lump sums.....since it is a feature u can only use once every 7-10 years in your life (to file bankruptcy) they have exclusive rights witht hese creditors to help u restablish credit rating . When u make ur payment of 800+$ it is automatically distributed evenly amongst the 10 accounts u have open that are being paid in the bankruptcy...so each account recieves a monthly payment and they are content with that as they are guranteed all the money awarded by the bankruptcy (due to the if u miss a payment they can charge interest and demand full balance clause)......so TECHnICALLY from day one when u start bankruptcy u begin to restablish credit like a new 18 yr old virigin....THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY THIS IS YOUR BEST OPTION>


because you get a FULL 3 years of building credit back up and even by 6 months into the Bankruptcy u can usualy get financed for cars and re-apply for credit and loans....WHY u ask??? cause U CAN ONLY do bankruptcy once every 7-10 YEARS , so the creditors KNOW u have to pay the debt and can therefore TRUST The SYSTEM put in place.


MY recommendation is to calla few bankruptcy attournies and get the ball rolling.....the faster u start (a free consultation) the faster the debtors will quit calling....the garnishments will stop...and u also get a 3 month break noramally before any payments have to be made in the first place (due to the court system normally taking awhile to setup terms)



a 2nd strong recommendation is this.....since with CHAP 13 bankruptcy u will save roughly 700$ per month...bank half the money and save other half to pile into you bankruptcy...there is no penalty for early payment and even if u pay it off early no one can jump in and say they want more money (for instance if u end up settling the 50K debt for 30K or whatever amount).

that way say at year 3 you would be fully payed off and also have roughly 10K in the bank to put down on a house or car or put into an IRA.....its really like gettin the best of both worlds.



GL in whatever u decide....ultimately it is up to u.


I hope i could help.....if u have any other questions feel free to ask a mod for my email...maybe i can lend a helping hand in guidance....afterall we are near the holidays.


-murph
 

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C Note let me go over it with you.
If your looking to settle your debts for less then what you owe then you would call a Debt Settlement Company. Your right banks dont want to settle. These companies let you fall 4 months behind and then contact the credit card companies to work out a settlement. Banks will now settle because they think you are about to file for bank. In this time your credit goes to hell and you are hounded by collections. Once debt is settled (usually .50 on the dollar) your credit will say how behind you were and say paid for less then amount owed. Doesnt look good and you can do the exact same thing without paying a debt settlement company.

Now if you are looking to pay your debt off faster because your interest rates are really high and maybe you have a back payment or two you would call a credit card counseling agency. They have set guidlines with cc companies and can get interest rates down to an average of 6-7 and making it so you dont have to make up the late fees. They will give you a set payment (close to what you have now) and a 3-5 year time frame to get out of debt. This will show on your credit that the accounts were closed by a consumer credit counseling program. Banks may look at that as an alternative to bank. If you dont have back payments and can transfer the cards yourself to lower rates do that. The trick to this program to have an average interest rate and KEEPING THE PAYMENTS THE SAME. If your rates are fair then take whatever your paying monthly total and keep sending monthly. As your balance goes down so will your monthly min. keep sending that same monthly payment till all the cards are gone and you will be out in 3-5 years. No reason to pay another company unless you are behind.

As far as the tax programs, I actually know they work. I know a guy who worked at one. Basically they go over your financials (the tighter the better) and give you a settlement number right on the phone. They charge high fees and there are a million forms but they can usually settle on .50 on the dollar as well and release liens right away. I dont know how it effects your credit but doubt the irs reports to the credit agencies.
Hope this helps.
 

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