Who do we know was a great player and didn't Juice?

boppp · Dec 14, 2007

Frank Thomas
Manny
Griffey
Maddux
Glavine
Beckett
Santana

Is it safe to say that if these guys didn't take steroids that you have to consider them even that much better than players in the past? Because they didn't cheat and played at unbelievably high levels in an age where other players were cheating.

Those players will benefit greatly from this.

Ortiz
A-ROD (I don't care what anyone says. Guy is clean)
Jeter
Roberto Alomar

Add to the list or refute mine. I don't see any of the above guys doing juice but you never know anymore.

billhill999 · Dec 14, 2007

Pedro

boppp · Dec 14, 2007

billhill999 said:
Pedro

Good addition. Can we argue that at the top of his game he was the best pitcher of our generation, him or Maddux, now that Clemens cheated?

terps1313 · Dec 14, 2007

How do we know any of the above listed didnt juice?

boppp · Dec 14, 2007

terps1313 said:
How do we know any of the above listed didnt juice?

Well I can name a few.

Thomas I have already broken down how we know.

Other guys for obvious reasons.

Factors I looked at.

Consistency, No abnormal changes in size or statistics, Declined with age. Little things like that. Am I a 100% positive absolutely not, but I am pretty confident that they didn't cheat.

bellyputter · Dec 14, 2007

themanej

HatTrick · Dec 14, 2007

bellyputter said:
themanej

Why do I laugh every damn time?

prodigy · Dec 14, 2007

jim thome, unless something changes, looks like the poster boy for old fashioned man strength sans steroids.

Holysmoke+ · Dec 14, 2007

Dave Kingman

Brock Landers · Dec 14, 2007

Maddux

TheWolf · Dec 14, 2007

We really dont know.

Actually one.....Rafael Belliard.

trytrytry · Dec 14, 2007

Kirby

doubledeuce22 · Dec 14, 2007

you cannot say anyone from the 'steroid' era is 100% clean. to do so is very naive.

919 · Dec 14, 2007

Do you think Dibble was on the juice?

bertex · Dec 14, 2007

randy johnson

Anti-liberal · Dec 14, 2007

I think Nolan Ryan and Cal Ripken, Jr. are suspect too. One threw a no-hitter at age 4 and the other played in over 2600 straight games. Why do they get a pass?

A-Rod was juicing like crazy too, btw.

Illini · Dec 14, 2007

Pujols. Never had a steroid like game, doesn't have the steroid body, and yet there were people that wanted to say that he used.

Anti-liberal · Dec 14, 2007

Illini said:
Pujols. Never had a steroid like game, doesn't have the steroid body, and yet there were people that wanted to say that he used.

He developed during the steroid era though. When Pujols was in his teens, even a lot of high school baseball players were juicing. It's been around Pujols since his teens, and I'd be surprised if he didn't get juiced up at some point, as it was so common. He was exposed to roids like todays' kids are exposed to the internet.

Illini · Dec 14, 2007

Anti-liberal said:
He developed during the steroid era though. When Pujols was in his teens, even a lot of high school baseball players were juicing. It's been around Pujols since his teens, and I'd be surprised if he didn't get juiced up at some point, as it was so common. He was exposed to roids like todays' kids are exposed to the internet.

I post on a message board full of stiffs and degenerates. Doesn't make me one.

boppp · Dec 14, 2007

Anti-liberal said:
He developed during the steroid era though. When Pujols was in his teens, even a lot of high school baseball players were juicing. It's been around Pujols since his teens, and I'd be surprised if he didn't get juiced up at some point, as it was so common. He was exposed to roids like todays' kids are exposed to the internet.

Actually knowing a bunch of high school kids who were top recruits. It is very rare for top recruits, and high school prospects to juice for the following reasons: They are the best and never have a doubt in their minds, no one has ever competed with them so they don't feel the need to cheat, they are very arrogant and cocky (my best friend being one of them) and think they are gods gift to the world so they don't cheat because they feel like they don't need to.

The kids who contemplate cheating are the kids right on the border of getting scholarships to some schools. Top notch prospects still are very high on themselves in high school so odds are they wouldn't cheat because they feel they are too good to cheat.