Who the hell bets and moves the HUGE chalk in college hoops?

TheWolf · Dec 21, 2007

Wash State tonight for example...........was -32, then jumped to 34 in a heartbeat. Of course it lost.

But my question is, who moves these large numbers like that? I know sometimes these guys bet one side up so they can hammer the other side, but that didnt happen on this game tonight, and last night the heavy chalk covered a lot.

I never thought the sharps layed heavy chalk like that, so if it isnt it them who is betting and moving these?

prodigy · Dec 21, 2007

the further away from 'zero' you get in college hoops lines, the more of a 'guess' it is for the linesmaker. the line moves on games with spreads of 25+ arent even worth paying attention too. ultimately, the games become coinflips because once a team gets a 20+ lead, its not really even true basketball anymore. its just a flip of the coin as to whether the team you bet can maintain some intensity when the final is a foregone conclusion. ive seen plenty of teams with lines of 34 .... the line moves down to 30 ..... and then they win by 46. just a total guess when big lines are on the board.

TomBrady#1 · Dec 21, 2007

Oh they (syndicates or betting groups) bet them all. Big lines or small. Yeah Wolf they bet the big chalk.

TheWolf · Dec 21, 2007

Tom Brady#1 said:
Oh they (syndicates or betting groups) bet them all. Big lines or small. Yeah Wolf they bet the big chalk.

Thanks TB...never thought they messed with those games.

CapNCash · Dec 21, 2007

billy walters

wilheim · Dec 21, 2007

Many times a primary linemover (capable of moving a line like that two points or more) will buy back plenty on the other side at the best price available just before game time and create a middle for himself. The middle might not be exactly even with equal money on both sides but if the games does fall the mover makes a score by winning all bets.

Natrually if the mover is high to one side of the game or the other it is by preference (he likes that side) and he natrually has the best number on the preferred side because he is the one who made the game move to begin with.

EG:

40K all at -32
34K spread around at +35, +34.5 and +34.

Essentially risking just 6k (plus juice) on the favorite at -32. Natrually the 34K middle is going to cost him juice if the game doesn't fall 32,33,34 or 35.

Bottom line is the mover has to win around 52% of his preferred plays and will catch enough middles over the course of a season to make the whole enterprise a lot more than just slightly profitable.

That is kind of a bare bones explanation of how certain movers have been known to operate.

wil..

bellyputter · Dec 21, 2007

Like I have said on numerous occasions, Billy walters has middled more games than anyone in the history of sports wagering.

MrJ · Dec 21, 2007

was -32, then jumped to 34 in a heartbeat. Of course it lost.

Doesn't mean anything.

Many times a primary linemover (capable of moving a line like that two points or more) will buy back plenty on the other side at the best price available just before game time

There is usually immediate buy back after the move.

The middle might not be exactly even with equal money on both sides

Not unless you believe your original number isn't any better than the new number.

wilheim · Dec 21, 2007

There is usually immediate buy back after the move.

Actually it is a matter of waiting for the line to move off the original move as far as possible. Any immediate buy back could be from anywhere.

Not unless you believe your original number isn't any better than the new number.

Not really, it's matter of how much the mover can get down once word is out he is buying back and the number moves back to a non middle postition which halts the buy back. Very rarely do the totals on each side, regardles of the number, match exactly. Just like a book will, a mover will almost always have a decision on every game he plays, decisions that are sometime small and at other times not so small.

wil.