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Pain Street USA: '08 housing outlook

The forecast is for a longer, deeper home-price slump than previously expected, with double-digit declines in many markets.

By Les Christie, CNNMoney.com staff writer


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The United States is deep in its worst housing slump since the Great Depression, and according to a new report, it's not going to get better any time soon.
In a new survey, Moody's Economy.com says many metro areas will record losses of 20 percent or more during the downturn, with the national median price for single-family homes dropping 13 percent through early 2009. Factoring in discount offers from sellers, the actual price decline would be well over 15 percent.
Eighty of the 381 metro areas covered by the report will record double-digit losses, according to the report. Most of the worst-hit markets are in once high-flying areas, such as California and Florida.
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The steep losses were bound to arrive sometime. Throughout the housing slump, which began in the summer of 2006, experts kept expecting prices to tumble, but it wasn't until recently that they dropped substantially, according to Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody's Economy.com.
"There has been a sea change in seller psychology since the subprime shock this summer," he said. "Sellers now realize they have to drop their prices to make a sale and prices are coming down very rapidly in some markets."
One such place is Punta Gorda, Fla. In Moody's outlook, prices there will undergo the steepest correction of any U.S. market. From their peak during the first three months of 2006, to their bottom, forecast for the second quarter of 2009, prices will decline 35.3 percent. That's in nominal dollars; adjusted for inflation, the loss will be even greater.
Other metro areas expected to go through crushing price drops include: Stockton, Calif., where prices are forecast to drop 31.6 percent, Modesto, Calif. (-31.3 percent), Fort Walton Beach, Fla. (-30.4 percent) and Naples, Fla. (-29.6 percent).
The worst hit market outside the Sun Belt is expected to be Ocean City, N.J. where prices will fall 24.9 percent, according to Moody's. Prices in St. George, Utah (-21.8 percent), Grand Junction, Colo. (-18.9 percent) and Atlantic City, N.J. (-18.6 percent) will also suffer. In the Washington, D.C. metro area, Moody's forecasts a decline of 18.4 percent.
Home prices are being pulled down by an even more severe decline in home sales, which Moody's expects to bottom out in early 2008, when unit sales will be down more than 40 percent from their peak.
Home builders continued to add to inventory even as the slump got well under way, contributing to what is now an 11-month back-log of homes for sale, according to the National Association of Realtors.
Many of these homes are sitting completely empty: The Census Bureau reported a total of 2.1 million vacant homes for sale. Vacant homes add pressure on prices because owners of these houses are usually more willing to slash prices to move the properties. They cost out-of-pocket cash each month while providing neither income nor shelter.
Even though home construction has now contracted severely - the Census Bureau reported Tuesday that new housing starts were down to an annualized rate of 1.187 million units in November, the lowest in 16 years - it will take time to work through the excess inventory.
The housing slump will have a substantial impact on the overall economy, according to Moody's, which says it will depress real gross domestic product by more than a percentage point this year and by 1.5 percentage points in 2008.
Speculative investment in the mid-2000s helped fuel the current slump. Zandi pointed out that 16 percent of mortgage originations during 2005 were for non-owner-occupied housing, twice the number of a few years earlier.
"And that's a very conservative estimate of investor demand," he said. "Many home buyers lied on their mortgage applications." That's because interest rates are lower for owner/occupied dwellings.
Buying for investment was especially prevalent in many resort areas, such as Ocean City, N.J. Many buyers were betting they could hold onto the property for a short time and sell it for a quick profit, a difficult feat to finesse, considering the high transactional costs. Many speculators came late to the party and got caught in the slump. Now their properties are adding to mountainous inventories.
Another factor was excessive new home construction, especially in once hot markets. As prices skyrocketed, builders rushed to take advantage of the increases, contributing to the now high inventories.
Also adding homes to markets was the increase in foreclosure filings. When lenders take back properties, they put them back on the markets. Foreclosures have just about doubled this year.
For the slump to end, much of the excess inventory will have to be worked through. Zandi doesn't envision that happening much before 2010, which he forecasts to be a very modest recovery year with low, single-digit growth.
 

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It looks like as bad as the slump i am involved with in betting !!!
 

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Good to hear. Still waiting to buy my first house. So glad I didn't do it 1-3 years ago.
 

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Looking to build. Met wiht a builder a few weeks back and they dropped prices $30-$40 K already!!! Now Im just woried about selling my current house though.
 

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Looking to build. Met wiht a builder a few weeks back and they dropped prices $30-$40 K already!!! Now Im just woried about selling my current house though.

If the local market you are in is crumbling around you, your house value is crumbling as well.

If you can wait, you probably should wait.

Soon enough in some markets builders will be giving away lots for they wont want to pay the property taxes and desperate to spark any type of activity.
 

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Not where I live!
Increase last year of 12%

Great if ya wanna sell but if your just going to stay until you die.....................taxes!!!

Some people made a ton of $$$$ on the "Sub Prime Mortgage Plan"
 

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real estate is the worst thing to be invested in. land, development, anything real estate
 

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real estate is the worst thing to be invested in. land, development, anything real estate

I've heard that as well gtc. Real Estate does not match up with the return of other, better investments even when taking tax benefits into consideration.

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Increase last year of 12%

Great if ya wanna sell but if your just going to stay until you die.....................taxes!!!

Some people made a ton of $$$$ on the "Sub Prime Mortgage Plan"

I said around turn of century that Vancouver will become a greater boomtown than it had already been, but that has very little to do with the real estate market here in the US other than Seattle.
 

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I said around turn of century that Vancouver will become a greater boomtown than it had already been, but that has very little to do with the real estate market here in the US other than Seattle.

It is insane! I am almost a real estate millionaire, for a bungalo. Crazy, and still going....10% increase predicted for 2008. Best purchase I ever made for $230K
 

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I've heard that as well gtc. Real Estate does not match up with the return of other, better investments even when taking tax benefits into consideration.

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That is so easy to say now, but until the past 18 months real estate has made more millionaires than anything else. Think of how much real estate gained from 1996-2006. Much more than any other investment sector
 

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Great if ya wanna sell but if your just going to stay until you die.....................taxes!!!

Some people made a ton of $$$$ on the "Sub Prime Mortgage Plan"

Ya but where you live you also have Pinnacle.
 

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I said around turn of century that Vancouver will become a greater boomtown than it had already been, but that has very little to do with the real estate market here in the US other than Seattle.

From a CBC article:

"The average price of a home in Vancouver has jumped approximately 10 per cent a year since 2001, with a cumulative increase of about 70 per cent during that period."

The average cost of a home in Vancouver these days is nearing $600,000, with very modest condos often fetching $300K +, almost becoming unreachable for younger first time buyers.

Do you feel the US housing slump will affect the Canadian market at some point? Or will the steadily rising prices ultimately create a bubble on its own?

I guess I'll just go log in to my Pinnacle account in the meantime. :aktion033
 

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I feel soooo fortunate to have bought my house 9 yrs ago. I refinanced in 2004 to 5 1/8% for 15 years fixed and now have about 7 yrs left to pay it off. I've got two neighbors that have ben trying to sell for about a yr with not so much as a decent bite.
 

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Do you feel the US housing slump will affect the Canadian market at some point? Or will the steadily rising prices ultimately create a bubble on its own?

It probably will create its own bubble, but whats different about Vancouver is that there are fundamental reasons why its doing well instead of the financial gimmicks that created much of the US housing bubble.

Alot of resource based companies are based in the area and Canada has a growing economy.

Specifically within Canada, Vancouver and all of BC has alot of Asians and since thats the place in the world thats economically growing the most in the world, Vancouver gains benefits from that.
 

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ive got a house in gatineau, quebec (Ottawa-Hull region). Currently renting it out.

Mortgage is coming due for a renewal.... any advice which type of mortgage I should sign.
 

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ive got a house in gatineau, quebec (Ottawa-Hull region). Currently renting it out.

Mortgage is coming due for a renewal.... any advice which type of mortgage I should sign.

What type of loans are available in Canada? Fixed, adjustable, combinations. It would help answer your question.
 
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Oh boy. Rumors today that Countrywide is about to declare bankruptcy. Not exactly surprising, but this will REALLY send things into a spin.
 

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