I might be off base but this doesn't seem fair. Rollover question?

burtrapp · Jan 8, 2008

I won a contest for a 1000.00 from Lazerwager here at the RX. The rollover was 6X. I lost the dime and zero'd the ACCT. I then cash in loyalty points for a free 50.00 freeplay that has a 3X rollover. I win the freeplay (parlay) 286.00 WIN. I assume I have to rollover somewhere near 900.00. I make a run and have 1600.00 in the acct. With making 1548.00 worth of bets after that freeplay win well over 3X. I call to make a wdl. Today and they tell me I need to make 6000.00 in bets to satisfy the rollover on the 1000.00 Contest win before i can get money out.. I have never been good at understanding Rollover but that seems over the top.. Thoughts Please.

Fishhead · Jan 8, 2008

Since your loyalty points were actually part of your account at the time, I feel they are doing nothing overly wrong in this scenario.

The right procedure for you to have done was to cash in the points before losing your free contest money.

bigbet1234 · Jan 8, 2008

Fish, you're kidding right?

Their scamming ya, period.

Fishhead said:
Since your loyalty points were actually part of your account at the time, I feel they are doing nothing overly wrong in this scenario.

The right procedure for you to have done was to cash in the points before losing your free contest money.

PO69 · Jan 8, 2008

$6000 is a bit much if you ask me.

But you should have to meet them in the middle I guess.

Maybe $2000 worth of action would be fair. I actuallt thought that you had to wait 30 days before taking a payout on those loyalty Bonus Plays

Doug · Jan 8, 2008

Fishhead said:
Since your loyalty points were actually part of your account at the time, I feel they are doing nothing overly wrong in this scenario.

The right procedure for you to have done was to cash in the points before losing your free contest money.

But you are also trying to get to 25k points to get the best FP out of it. I zeroed out, and then used my points to get an 80FP, but lost it.

I think zeroing out should cancel previous rollover requirements.

Fishhead · Jan 8, 2008

bigbet1234 said:
Fish, you're kidding right?

Their scamming ya, period.

They give the guy free money, but yet they are scamming.

:lolBIG::lolBIG::lolBIG:

Bigbet- As long as your here, is BJ BLITZ available anywhere in America that you know of?

burtrapp · Jan 8, 2008

What I guess I am also asking is how would some of the other books handle this that I play at. BJamaica or Heritage or Skybook. Is this out of the norm or is it standard???

wilheim · Jan 8, 2008

Burtrapp

According to the contest rules (like you say) all prizes are subject to a 6X rollover. If you lost the $1,000 before you could roll it over and now won money off of loyalty points earned from the $1,000 free money you recieved from the contest then I think it is fair that you should finish the rollover on the original $1000. You must have some rollover credit already towards that from the wagers you made to lose the $1000 in the first place.

Prizes:
Winner take all! Win up to a $1000 CASH account!

• Active Lazerwager Players* will receive the full prize amount ($1,000 Bonus Play)
• Non-active Lazerwager Players will receive 10% of the prize amount ($100 Bonus Play)

All prizes subject to a 6x Rollover.

Please contact Rx.com moderator Sportsavant at sportsavant@therx.com link this thread and explain the situation and he will inquire into the matter for you with LazerWager.

Thank you, wilheim...

Doug · Jan 8, 2008

Tough Call !

I can see both arguements, meeting in the middle seems fair since some portion of the points had to be earned from deposited money, or the player wouldn't get the full contest prize.

burtrapp · Jan 8, 2008

I lost that 1000.00 playing live BlackJack. I had the loyalty points already in the acct. before winning that 1000.00 contest.

Doug · Jan 8, 2008

extremely poor use of the FP, but in this case I'd say you did the Rollover.

bigbet1234 · Jan 8, 2008

Haven't seen a Blitz machine in years.

Fishhead said:
They give the guy free money, but yet they are scamming.

:lolBIG::lolBIG::lolBIG:

Bigbet- As long as your here, is BJ BLITZ available anywhere in America that you know of?

PO69 · Jan 8, 2008

Alot of people when they get their $1000 bet it in the sportsbook. Even betting the Bonus Play money adds to your loyalty points normally. If that is the case, then you would have to give some more action than normal.

But if you used it all in blackjack, then maybe your situation is a bit different.

Doug, blackjack would not be a bad use of a Bonus Play had he won $2000 from it.

I NEVER play online casinos anymore, but I have heard stories of a few guys winning at online casinos.

wilheim · Jan 8, 2008

I lost that 1000.00 playing live BlackJack.

In that case you are going to have to talk to LazerWager and find out what their is their policy on casino losses in relation to sportsbook football contest earnings rollover.

Email sportsavant, he will make sure the right thing is done.

wil..

PO69 · Jan 8, 2008

Another important point would need to be known. In the past, have you cashed out from other Bonus Plays at their book? Are you a lifetime winner at the book? I assume that you have deposited funds at this book before, but to be sure, have you ever deposited funds?

Doug · Jan 8, 2008

PO69 said:
Alot of people when they get their $1000 bet it in the sportsbook. Even betting the Bonus Play money adds to your loyalty points normally. If that is the case, then you would have to give some more action than normal.

But if you used it all in blackjack, then maybe your situation is a bit different.

Doug, blackjack would not be a bad use of a Bonus Play had he won $2000 from it.

I NEVER play online casinos anymore, but I have heard stories of a few guys winning at online casinos.

The theoretical best use of Freeplay is to put it on something that pays much higher than +100, 3 team parlays are a good choice at 6-1.

If you did that with the dime via 100 parlays of $10, you'd surely come close to $750 in cash.

Do it with BJ, you might get $450.

burtrapp · Jan 8, 2008

Never made a wdl. there. Guys I'm just going to abide by the rules they laid out even though I think it's a little much. In this day in age with online books I just find it is easier doing what is required. If I have a problem after fufilling that rollover then I will e-mail my problem to a mod. Thanks for the thoughts.

PO69 · Jan 8, 2008

Not too many people want to wait that long to bet 100 $10 parlays

burtrapp · Jan 8, 2008

It was a cash win. Doug. That contest was a 1000 Cash Account. No need to win freeplays.

PO69 · Jan 8, 2008

He is a right, it is a cash win.

What I didnt know was that what you WIN from your loyalty Bonus Play determines the rollover.

In that case, then you very first bet should only be a straight bet