When I didnt say that he had only 15 clients. I meant that I have heard that 15 guys didnt get paid! I lost out on $1300, and that was 15 years ago, so it meant more to me at that time.
He had alot of clients who didnt win those weeks anyway, but I only heard a number around 15 people who were owed money. Most of them owed alot more than me
Red007 - what recent bust?
<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 width=605 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2>[SIZE=+3]New York arrests aimed at wireroom operation here[/SIZE]
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Federal law officers arrested eight persons Monday in relation to the operation of a Costa Rica-based gambling Web site and telephone call center that served sports bookies in the United States.
The arrests came after federal gambling and money laundering indictments were unsealed. Four persons still are being sought.
Among these is Carmen Cicalese, who was named as being the head of the operation despite being in his 70s. Cicalese, a close associate of the Genovese crime family, has lived in Costa Rica. He goes by the name Buddy and is believed to directly supervise the operation here.
The arrests were announced by the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, Michael J. Garcia in New York City.
This is not the first brush with the law by Cicalese. New Jersey law officers sought him when they busted up a Genovese crime family bookmaking operation in December 2004.
The Bergen County, New Jersey, prosecutor said at the time that Cicalese, then 73, operated a wire room in Costa Rica called DataWagers. The prosecutor, John L. Molinelli, said that law officers confiscated $670,000 from a safety deposit box held by Cicalese and his wife, Rose, according to news accounts at the time.
The New York federal prosecutor identified the wire rooms by the Internet names datawager.com and betwestsports.com in the announcement Monday.
From at least 2005, Cicalese operated the Internet Web sites and telephone call center, known as a wireroom, in Costa Rica which charged U.S.-based sports bookies weekly fees of approximately $15 to $30 for each gambler that the bookie registered, said Garcia. In return, registered gamblers were able to place bets on sporting events at odds set by
</TD><TD vAlign=top width=300>the Cicalese wireroom via a toll-free phone number and through various Web sites maintained by the Cicalese wireroom, he said.
The Cicalese wireroom did not itself take an interest in the outcome of these wagers. Paying winners and collecting from losers was the responsibility of the bookies, Garcia added.
Bookies paid the fees owed to the Cicalese wireroom to Cicalese aides in the United States, the prosecutor said.
These collectors would use various methods to get the money back to Costa Rica, according to the announcement. One time they even used a Pakistani-based hawala money transfer organization, it said.
The eight individuals arrested Monday were either
bookies who used the wireroom to handle their bets or several runners for the Cicalese organization.
One person arrested has the name Patrick Cicalese, but his relationship with the alleged leader of the organization was not disclosed.
The extent of the call center operation here was not disclosed.
Some of those listed in the indictment Monday have names right out of a Damon Runyon short story. Federal agents identified one as Louie Santos, known as Lou the Shoe. Another was Paul Cellurap, who had the nickname Coppertone.
The Web pages cited by law officers are not operating, but Betwestsports.com left a fragment on the Internet that said "We provide a secure Internet solution for placing wagers with your sport book."
Federal and some local prosecutors have been cracking down on offshore betting operations that take money from U.S. citizens. Some of the operations in Costa Rica have links to Mafia organizations in the U.S. and elsewhere. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 width=605 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2>[SIZE=+3]New York arrests aimed at wireroom operation here[/SIZE]
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By the A.M. Costa Rica staff
Federal law officers arrested eight persons Monday in relation to the operation of a Costa Rica-based gambling Web site and telephone call center that served sports bookies in the United States.
The arrests came after federal gambling and money laundering indictments were unsealed. Four persons still are being sought.
Among these is Carmen Cicalese, who was named as being the head of the operation despite being in his 70s. Cicalese, a close associate of the Genovese crime family, has lived in Costa Rica. He goes by the name Buddy and is believed to directly supervise the operation here.
The arrests were announced by the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, Michael J. Garcia in New York City.
This is not the first brush with the law by Cicalese. New Jersey law officers sought him when they busted up a Genovese crime family bookmaking operation in December 2004.
The Bergen County, New Jersey, prosecutor said at the time that Cicalese, then 73, operated a wire room in Costa Rica called DataWagers. The prosecutor, John L. Molinelli, said that law officers confiscated $670,000 from a safety deposit box held by Cicalese and his wife, Rose, according to news accounts at the time.
The New York federal prosecutor identified the wire rooms by the Internet names datawager.com and betwestsports.com in the announcement Monday.
From at least 2005, Cicalese operated the Internet Web sites and telephone call center, known as a wireroom, in Costa Rica which charged U.S.-based sports bookies weekly fees of approximately $15 to $30 for each gambler that the bookie registered, said Garcia. In return, registered gamblers were able to place bets on sporting events at odds set by
</TD><TD vAlign=top width=300>the Cicalese wireroom via a toll-free phone number and through various Web sites maintained by the Cicalese wireroom, he said.
The Cicalese wireroom did not itself take an interest in the outcome of these wagers. Paying winners and collecting from losers was the responsibility of the bookies, Garcia added.
Bookies paid the fees owed to the Cicalese wireroom to Cicalese aides in the United States, the prosecutor said.
These collectors would use various methods to get the money back to Costa Rica, according to the announcement. One time they even used a Pakistani-based hawala money transfer organization, it said.
The eight individuals arrested Monday were either
bookies who used the wireroom to handle their bets or several runners for the Cicalese organization.
One person arrested has the name Patrick Cicalese, but his relationship with the alleged leader of the organization was not disclosed.
The extent of the call center operation here was not disclosed.
Some of those listed in the indictment Monday have names right out of a Damon Runyon short story. Federal agents identified one as Louie Santos, known as Lou the Shoe. Another was Paul Cellurap, who had the nickname Coppertone.
The Web pages cited by law officers are not operating, but Betwestsports.com left a fragment on the Internet that said "We provide a secure Internet solution for placing wagers with your sport book."
Federal and some local prosecutors have been cracking down on offshore betting operations that take money from U.S. citizens. Some of the operations in Costa Rica have links to Mafia organizations in the U.S. and elsewhere. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Wagerweb ( formerly Casablanca) should pay you a dime without any problems. I won't go back there personally... they could try and go back years on me, and try to take back correlated parlays from 2002 or something, I'm not giving them the chance to do so.
I think you are 99% + on getting the dime.
greek ,bet jamica cris ,bookmaker,5 dimes ,wsex,matchbook are very safe.while others i wouldnt have a dime in.ive been stuck offshore for thoundsands and the same with a local.the only differance is with offshore you must have money up front and with a local ,hes got to know you are honest and have a good name.i would prefure a local with strong connections.
