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AT&T and Other ISPs May Be Getting Ready to Filter

By Brad Stone
Tags: at and t, CES, content filtering, Copyright, digital fingerprinting, NBC, piracy
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For the past fifteen years, Internet service providers have acted - to use an old cliche - as wide-open information super-highways, letting data flow uninterrupted and unimpeded between users and the Internet.
But ISPs may be about to embrace a new metaphor: traffic cop.
At a small panel discussion about digital piracy here at NBC’s booth on the Consumer Electronics Show floor, representatives from NBC, Microsoft, several digital filtering companies and telecom giant AT&T said the time was right to start filtering for copyrighted content at the network level.
Such filtering for pirated material already occurs on sites like YouTube and Microsoft’s Soapbox, and on some university networks.
Network-level filtering means your Internet service provider – Comcast, AT&T, EarthLink, or whoever you send that monthly check to – could soon start sniffing your digital packets, looking for material that infringes on someone’s copyright.
“What we are already doing to address piracy hasn’t been working. There’s no secret there,” said James Cicconi, senior vice president, external & legal affairs for AT&T.
Mr. Cicconi said that AT&T has been talking to technology companies, and members of the MPAA and RIAA, for the last six months about implementing digital fingerprinting techniques on the network level.
“We are very interested in a technology based solution and we think a network-based solution is the optimal way to approach this,” he said. “We recognize we are not there yet but there are a lot of promising technologies. But we are having an open discussion with a number of content companies, including NBC Universal, to try to explore various technologies that are out there.”
Internet civil rights organizations oppose network-level filtering, arguing that it amounts to Big Brother monitoring of free speech, and that such filtering could block the use of material that may fall under fair-use legal provisions — uses like parody, which enrich our culture.
Rick Cotton, the general counsel of NBC Universal, who has led the company’s fights against companies like YouTube for the last three years, clearly doesn’t have much tolerance for that line of thinking.
“The volume of peer-to-peer traffic online, dominated by copyrighted materials, is overwhelming. That clearly should not be an acceptable, continuing status,” he said. “The question is how we collectively collaborate to address this.”
I asked the panelists how they would respond to objections from their customers over network level filtering – for example, the kind of angry outcry Comcast saw last year, when it was accused of clamping down on BitTorrent traffic on its network.
“Whatever we do has to pass muster with consumers and with policy standards. There is going to be a spotlight on it,” said Mr. Cicconi of AT&T.
After the session, he told me that ISPs like AT&T would have to handle such network filtering delicately, and do more than just stop an upload dead in its tracks, or send a legalistic cease and desist form letter to a customer. “We’ve got to figure out a friendly way to do it, there’s no doubt about it,” he said.

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Filtering the Internet is on the way...soon we'll be just like China!

Here is a link that should disturb everyone, not just degenerate gamblers!

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Fat Tony started a thread on this a little further down legend.
 

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Comcast has been interfering with traffic for quite some time and the FCC is investigating (for whatever good that will do). Apparently they also block Youtube emails.

http://paulbramscher.blogspot.com/2007/11/comcast-censoring-youtube.html


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Published on Wednesday, January 9, 2008 by Associated Press FCC to Probe Comcast Data Discrimination

by Peter Svensson

The Federal Communications Commission will investigate complaints that Comcast Corp. actively interferes with Internet traffic as its subscribers try to share files online, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said Tuesday. A coalition of consumer groups and legal scholars asked the agency in November to stop Comcast from discriminating against certain types of data. Two groups also asked the FCC to fine the nation’s No. 2 Internet provider $195,000 for every affected subscriber.
“Sure, we’re going to investigate and make sure that no consumer is going to be blocked,” Martin told an audience at the International Consumer Electronics Show.
In an investigation last year, The Associated Press found that Comcast in some cases hindered file sharing by subscribers who used BitTorrent, a popular file-sharing program. The findings, first reported Oct. 19, confirmed claims by users who also noticed interference with other file-sharing applications.
“We look forward to responding to any FCC inquiries regarding our broadband network management,” said David L. Cohen, executive vice president at Philadelphia-based Comcast.
Comcast denies that it blocks file sharing, but acknowledged after the AP story that it was “delaying” some of the traffic between computers that share files. The company said the intervention was necessary to improve the surfing experience for the majority of its subscribers.
Peer-to-peer file sharing is a common way to illegally exchange copyright files, but companies are also rushing to utilize it for legal distribution of video and game content. If ISPs hinder or control that traffic, it makes them important gatekeepers of Internet content.
The FCC’s response will be an important test of its willingness to enforce “Net Neutrality,” the principle that Internet traffic be treated equally by carriers. The agency has a broadly stated policy supporting the concept, but its position hasn’t been tested in a real-world case.
The FCC’s policy statement makes an exception for “reasonable traffic management.” Comcast has said its practices fall under that exception.
“The question is going to arise: Are they reasonable network practices?” Martin said Tuesday. “When they have reasonable network practices, they should disclose those and make those public.”
Comcast subscribers who asked the company about the interference before the AP story ran were met with flat denials.
“Comcast plans to work with the Commission in its desire to bring more transparency for consumers regarding broadband network management,” Cohen said. “We do disclose in our terms of use our right to manage our network for the benefit of all customers.”
Martin’s announcement pleased Marvin Ammori, general counsel of Free Press, one of the consumer groups that had sought FCC intervention.
“We hope the chairman’s statements, made two months after we filed our complaint, will lead to immediate and accelerated action,” Ammori said in a prepared release.
Martin also said the commission was looking at complaints that wireless carriers denied text-messaging “short codes” to some applicants. The five-digit numbers are a popular way to sign up for updates on everything from sports to politics to entertainment news.
Verizon Wireless in late September denied a request by Naral Pro-Choice America, an abortion rights group, to use its mobile network for a sign-up text messaging program.
The company reversed course just a day later, calling it a mistake and an “isolated incident.”
Verizon Wireless has also denied a short code to a Swedish company, Rebtel Networks AB, that operates a service similar to a virtual calling card, allowing users to avoid paying the carrier’s international rates on their cell-phone calls. Verizon Wireless has stuck to that denial, saying it does want to provide an advertising venue to a competitor.
“I tell the staff that they should act on all of those complaints and investigate all of them,” Martin said.
© 2008 Associated Press​
 

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I've seen it suggested that personal computers are now sufficiently powerful that they could form their own 'net' and do away completely with the so called 'common carriers' for transmitting blocked content. In many ways it would resemble the net as it used to exist before commercialization. The basic idea is for a group to develop a communications protocol using the built in Wi-Fi capability that would enable you to serve and receive data from a similarly equipped machine. Any machine would have a limited range over the local area but with sufficient numbers these local nets could traverse the entire land area of N. America. The P2P programs some of us use for watching ball games certainly show that our machines can act as servers transmitting at substantial kbps.

Certainly a citizens response to censorship, that seems feasible.
 

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I've seen it suggested that personal computers are now sufficiently powerful that they could form their own 'net' and do away completely with the so called 'common carriers' for transmitting blocked content. In many ways it would resemble the net as it used to exist before commercialization. The basic idea is for a group to develop a communications protocol using the built in Wi-Fi capability that would enable you to serve and receive data from a similarly equipped machine. Any machine would have a limited range over the local area but with sufficient numbers these local nets could traverse the entire land area of N. America. The P2P programs some of us use for watching ball games certainly show that our machines can act as servers transmitting at substantial kbps.

Certainly a citizens response to censorship, that seems feasible.

Is it realistic?? It seems like a huge undertaking to get that many people involved.
 

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Don't know if this applies to what Woody is refering to....

I believe the entire city of Evanston is totally WIFI to any and all there.

Our fearless leader here is talking about doing the same thing for the entire city of Chicago
 

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Don't know if this applies to what Woody is refering to....

I believe the entire city of Evanston is totally WIFI to any and all there.

Our fearless leader here is talking about doing the same thing for the entire city of Chicago

Something different.

He's talking about a work-a-round to restrictions from the internet servers that we use. One day, the providers might determine what sites you can go to.
 

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As the inventor of the internet, what is Al Gore's position on all of this?
 

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Is it realistic?? It seems like a huge undertaking to get that many people involved.

Tony, the system would be set up and maintained by computer geeks across the country (just like Firefox for example is maintained). The many users necessary to implement the system would simply get free software for citinet (citizens network) that would work went the internet went down.

The bottom line is that censorship will not work because there are technological fixes to get around the issue.
 

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Don't know if this applies to what Woody is refering to....

I believe the entire city of Evanston is totally WIFI to any and all there.

Our fearless leader here is talking about doing the same thing for the entire city of Chicago

Several cities have or are providing free Wi-Fi access and in a way that the infrastructure could be used. As it exists now those Wi-Fi hotspots connect to the internet.

Now any Wi-Fi enabled computer can hypothetically communicate with any other Wi-Fi enabled computer provided they are within the required distance and they both have a communications protocol program. To avoid the internet these Wi-Fi nodes need to be connected through citizens computers. This will steadily become easier as the power output for Wi-Fi increases allowing communication over greater distances.
 

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Where will it stop? Wherever THEY want it to.
It's just another excuse the hippies will use to go block (real) traffic and shout their cute little slogans. OOOOOOH SCARY!
 

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ATT couldnt give a shit about copyrights. They just want to cut down bandwidth and p2p files are probably the highest amount.

If ATT does this, just pick a new ISP - not that hard.

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FCC Asks Comcast About Internet Filter
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</noscript></td></tr></tbody></table>A coalition of consumer groups and legal scholars asked the agency in November to stop Comcast from discriminating against the sharing of certain types of Internet data among subscribers.
Two groups also asked the FCC to fine the nation's No. 2 Internet provider $195,000 for every affected subscriber.
And Vuze Inc., a company that distributes video using BitTorrent file-sharing technology, later filed a separate complaint, asking the FCC to clarify how much power Internet service providers have in controlling traffic on their lines.
In an investigation last year, The Associated Press found that Comcast in some cases hindered file sharing by subscribers who used BitTorrent. The findings, first reported Oct. 19, confirmed claims by users who also noticed interference with other file-sharing applications.
Comcast denies it blocks file sharing, but acknowledges milder interventions to improve the flow of traffic for the majority of its customers.
"We look forward to responding to the FCC inquiries regarding our broadband network management," said David L. Cohen, an executive vice president at Comcast, in a statement.
"We believe our practices are in accordance with the FCC's policy statement on the Internet where the Commission clearly recognized that reasonable network management is necessary for the good of all customers," he added.
Peer-to-peer file sharing is a common way to illegally exchange copyright files. But many businesses also are rushing toward it for legal distribution of video and game content.
 

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