some players make the cut and I guess will be paid some prize money, but they do not play the 3rd and 4th rounds. totally weird rule. must be the brainchild of those who think the fedex cup is a good idea. nobody cares and the millionare golfers even blush at the money being thrown at them, which they dont need
check pgatour.com scores for the tournament this week, some players who made the cut did not play round 3
check pgatour.com scores for the tournament this week, some players who made the cut did not play round 3
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The Sony Open in Hawaii became the first tournament to employ the new PGA TOUR cut policy after a total of 87 players made the cut on Friday.
Following is an explanation of the rule:
• The starting field shall be reduced to the 70 professionals having the lowest scores at the conclusion of 36 holes of tournament play, including any professionals tied for 70th place, plus amateurs with scores not higher than that of the 70th professional, provided, however, that should such a cut include more than 78 professionals, the field shall be reduced (cut) to the score which includes the number of professionals nearest 70th place, plus amateurs with scores not higher than the professionals nearest 70th place.
• Should there be an equal number of professionals at different scores at equal intervals above and below 70th position, the higher score shall be used. In the event of any such reduction (cut), professionals eliminated who otherwise would have played in the final 36 holes shall receive their appropriate share of the official prize money in accordance with their respective positions.
In layman's terms, it means:
• The cut for most PGA TOUR events remains where it has been in the past, at low 70 professionals and ties.
• If that cut results in a field larger than 78 professionals, the cut will generally be at the next lower score, meaning the weekend field will be smaller than 70. That is the case at the Sony Open, where a total of 69 players finished at 1 under or better.
• In a very few cases, the "number nearest 70" may still be over 78, in which case the larger number of professionals would play the weekend.
• In any case, all professionals who are in the group of "low 70 professionals and ties" but are eliminated from weekend play by the new rule, receive credit for a made cut, as well as their share of official prize money and FedExCup points. A total of 18 players fall into that category at the Sony Open.
Facts based on looking at previous years:
• In the past 12 years, the cut has included more than 78 players 136 times (approximately 11 times per year).
• In six of those instances, the "number nearest 70" was the larger one, and thus the larger group would have played the weekend.
• Of the 508 players who would have been affected by this rule in the past, none went on to win the tournament, and only one had a top-five finish. ( Anthony Kim shot 69-65 on the weekend to move from a tie for 64th to a tie for third at the 2007 Zurich Classic of New Orleans).
• A total of 10 such players (two percent) had top-10 finishes.
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The Sony Open in Hawaii became the first tournament to employ the new PGA TOUR cut policy after a total of 87 players made the cut on Friday.
Following is an explanation of the rule:
• The starting field shall be reduced to the 70 professionals having the lowest scores at the conclusion of 36 holes of tournament play, including any professionals tied for 70th place, plus amateurs with scores not higher than that of the 70th professional, provided, however, that should such a cut include more than 78 professionals, the field shall be reduced (cut) to the score which includes the number of professionals nearest 70th place, plus amateurs with scores not higher than the professionals nearest 70th place.
• Should there be an equal number of professionals at different scores at equal intervals above and below 70th position, the higher score shall be used. In the event of any such reduction (cut), professionals eliminated who otherwise would have played in the final 36 holes shall receive their appropriate share of the official prize money in accordance with their respective positions.
In layman's terms, it means:
• The cut for most PGA TOUR events remains where it has been in the past, at low 70 professionals and ties.
• If that cut results in a field larger than 78 professionals, the cut will generally be at the next lower score, meaning the weekend field will be smaller than 70. That is the case at the Sony Open, where a total of 69 players finished at 1 under or better.
• In a very few cases, the "number nearest 70" may still be over 78, in which case the larger number of professionals would play the weekend.
• In any case, all professionals who are in the group of "low 70 professionals and ties" but are eliminated from weekend play by the new rule, receive credit for a made cut, as well as their share of official prize money and FedExCup points. A total of 18 players fall into that category at the Sony Open.
Facts based on looking at previous years:
• In the past 12 years, the cut has included more than 78 players 136 times (approximately 11 times per year).
• In six of those instances, the "number nearest 70" was the larger one, and thus the larger group would have played the weekend.
• Of the 508 players who would have been affected by this rule in the past, none went on to win the tournament, and only one had a top-five finish. ( Anthony Kim shot 69-65 on the weekend to move from a tie for 64th to a tie for third at the 2007 Zurich Classic of New Orleans).
• A total of 10 such players (two percent) had top-10 finishes.
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This rule was made for one reason and caused by another. 1) SLOW PLAY has been getting so bad the PGA Tour had to do something to eliminate so many players on the weekend. TV runs the Tour and they couldn't get the tournaments finished in the right time slots. 2) There is so much parity among the bottom rung players that you end up having 18 players tying for the last spot after 36 holes. I wonder what the Tour will do when Tiger makes the cut on the # with 16 other players?
thanks slapshot...that's very helpful. I actually like the new rule but it did bring up a new question. The prize money is broken down for the top 70 players; when there are 87 players like today at the Hawaii Sony Open, where does the prize money for the extra 17 players come from? Is the winners share diminished? I know from watching different events that if 4 players tie for first and have a playoff, the winner still receives the winner's share of the prize money and the other 3 take the 2nd-3rd-4th prizes and divide it equally. Let's just say for discussion purposes that thei sony tournament ended exactly the way it was at the end of day 2, ie. with 69 players all at -1 or better and the remaining 18 all tied at even par, ie. tied for last place. If the PGA divided the purse at the bottom like they do at the top(which I don't believe they do), then these 18 players would all be splitting the 70th place prize. So to repeat how is the prize money for the extra 17 players generated when they have 87 players rather than 70 players sharing the prize fund?
heres a link to payout breakdowns will have to wait till this tourney ends to see what they do now
http://frankosport.us/golf/Purse/index.html
http://frankosport.us/golf/Purse/index.html
Thanks again, slapshot...this is from your link...
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It also didn't copy very well...lol
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It also didn't copy very well...lol
the guys at the bottom of the list probably love it.
get paid and get to leave instead of playing 2 more rounds and probably not making that much more money.
i have a better idea . just televise the majors and about 4 other events.
who gives a shit about the other 35 events played every year.
i'm a former golf pro and i'm bored to tears watching it any more.
get paid and get to leave instead of playing 2 more rounds and probably not making that much more money.
i have a better idea . just televise the majors and about 4 other events.
who gives a shit about the other 35 events played every year.
i'm a former golf pro and i'm bored to tears watching it any more.
I give a shot about the other 35 events. This reminds me of something I've said for a long time....pro golfers don't enjoy the game like us regular golfers! I'm an old man now, I used to be pretty good when I was younger....about a 6 handicap....but I didn't enjoy the game then like I do now...at about a 15 handicap.
That does sound good...a little liven it up is definitely a good idea.
I'm a golf nut so not a good example since I will and do watch everything related to golf on TV. I liked that new World Series of Golf format last year, closely related to the WSOP in both format and players. And I like the Pros vs. Joes contest we've had for the past few years. The ironic thing there was that as opposed to the usual sandbaggers we see in the Pro-Am tournaments, these "Joes" were the worst scratch golfers I've ever seen(and I'm thinking of the Mexican lawyer when I say this).
:smoker2:OK, here's the SONY Hawaiian Open Prize fund breakdown from the link provided by slapshot...
Purse ... $ 5,300,000
1..$ 954,000 11..$ 132,500 21..$ 63,600 31..$ 34,450 41..$ 21,730 51..$ 13,038 61..$ 11,554
2..$ 572,400 12..$ 121,900 22..$ 59,360 32..$ 32,860 42..$ 20,670 52..$ 12,720 62..$ 11,448
3..$ 360,400 13..$ 111,300 23..$ 55,120 33..$ 31,270 43..$ 19,610 53..$ 12,508 63..$ 11,342
4..$ 254,400 14..$ 100,700 24..$ 50,880 34..$ 29,945 44..$ 18,550 54..$ 12,296 64..$ 11,236
5..$ 212,000 15..$ 95,400 25..$ 46,640 35..$ 28,620 45..$ 17,490 55..$ 12,190 65..$ 11,130
6..$ 190,800 16..$ 90,100 26..$ 42,400 36..$ 27,295 46..$ 16,430 56..$ 12,084 66..$ 11,024
7..$ 177,550 17..$ 84,800 27..$ 40,810 37..$ 25,970 47..$ 15,370 57..$ 11,978 67..$ 10,918
8..$ 164,300 18..$ 79,500 28..$ 39,220 38..$ 24,910 48..$ 14,522 58..$ 11,872 68..$ 10,812
9..$ 153,700 19..$ 74,200 29..$ 37,630 39..$ 23,850 49..$ 13,780 59..$ 11,766 69..$ 10,706
10..$ 143,100 20..$ 68,900 30..$ 36,040 40..$ 22,790 50..$ 13,356 60..$ 11,660 70..$ 10,600
Purse ... $ 5,300,000
1..$ 954,000 11..$ 132,500 21..$ 63,600 31..$ 34,450 41..$ 21,730 51..$ 13,038 61..$ 11,554
2..$ 572,400 12..$ 121,900 22..$ 59,360 32..$ 32,860 42..$ 20,670 52..$ 12,720 62..$ 11,448
3..$ 360,400 13..$ 111,300 23..$ 55,120 33..$ 31,270 43..$ 19,610 53..$ 12,508 63..$ 11,342
4..$ 254,400 14..$ 100,700 24..$ 50,880 34..$ 29,945 44..$ 18,550 54..$ 12,296 64..$ 11,236
5..$ 212,000 15..$ 95,400 25..$ 46,640 35..$ 28,620 45..$ 17,490 55..$ 12,190 65..$ 11,130
6..$ 190,800 16..$ 90,100 26..$ 42,400 36..$ 27,295 46..$ 16,430 56..$ 12,084 66..$ 11,024
7..$ 177,550 17..$ 84,800 27..$ 40,810 37..$ 25,970 47..$ 15,370 57..$ 11,978 67..$ 10,918
8..$ 164,300 18..$ 79,500 28..$ 39,220 38..$ 24,910 48..$ 14,522 58..$ 11,872 68..$ 10,812
9..$ 153,700 19..$ 74,200 29..$ 37,630 39..$ 23,850 49..$ 13,780 59..$ 11,766 69..$ 10,706
10..$ 143,100 20..$ 68,900 30..$ 36,040 40..$ 22,790 50..$ 13,356 60..$ 11,660 70..$ 10,600
And if you go to PGAtour.com, they have the final prizes listed for all the players who made the cut. The 68 players who played the final 2 rounds all received exactly what the projected prize fund said, for example, Calcavecchia finished alone in 68th place and received exactly $10,812. But the 18 players who did not play the final 2 rounds did not divide the 69th and 70th place prizes, which would have been $10,706 and $10,600, but instead they each received $9,805. So the answer to my question is that they actually add money to the prize fund when there are more than 70 players who make the final cut.
