Advice Needed - I think my local may be trying to stiff

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Ok I need some advice here. Here is the story:

Started with a new local around November. Some young rich college kid who said he would book my action. There was no real clear-cut rules on when we would even up, just when it got "high enough" one way or the other.

Over the course of November and early December, I made 3 payment to him: $400, $200, and $200 -- 800 total. At the point of my last payment we were even. He had never paid me yet (hadn't needed to, I hadn't been up on him at all yet).

Throughout December I dug myself a hole. Around Christmas I was out of town with the family, and he texted me that he needed to even up. I was down about 3K. I told him that was fine, but I was out of town. Upon my return, I called him and told him I had his money, where did he want me to take it. He was out of town for break and said we would take care of it upon his return, and in the meantime I was free to continue betting.

Of course you guessed it, I came back with a vengeance. By the time he got back (last week) I was up about 2K. I let it slide and didn't say anything, seeing as he gave me a grace period.

As of today I am up over 4K. I texted him yesterday "when can I get at least a portion from you" and he ignored it. Then last night I texted him "I hope you are not ignoring me." We had a text conversation where -- long story short -- I said "I need at least the $800 back that I gave you, and we can let the rest ride for a month and then even up 100% either way." No response.

I emailed him today, and no response still. I offered him 3 options in the email:

Pay me the $800 and we will continue to go for another month, which is longer than the grace period he gave me.

I told him if he pays me this weekend, I will cut him a deal for $2500, saving him over $1500.

I told him we could discontinue wagering, and he could set up a payment plan of $500 a week until I am paid up.

I guess my question is, am I being fair here? Should I be busting his balls or should I just wait it out? As of right now I have not received a dime from him and it makes me nervous.
 

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First of all you need to define when to pay. When it is "High Enough" is not defined and you could be starting a problem right there. SOmetimes you have to wait a little bit. Even though you emailed or text him, give it a little time. Give him some leeway and it usually works out. IF not after a little while then you get upset. But be courteous and respectful. Good luck!
 

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so when you were "over" your number and couldn't pay you freerolled his ass and now you think he's going to stiff you?
 

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personally, I'd give him 2 weeks

if still no response, I'd text him that you're going to the police. Remind him bookmaking is illegal, but placing a bet is not.

of course I wouldn't actually go the the law if he calls your bluff, but this should light a fire under his ass.
 

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teaze i dont get that from what he said.

there seemed to be no settle number and he told the guy he had his money.

the guy let him keep playing and now hes up.

I think
 

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teaze i dont get that from what he said.

there seemed to be no settle number and he told the guy he had his money.

the guy let him keep playing and now hes up.

I think

Bingo. I did not freeroll him. I told him we could stop until I got back in town and I paid him. His actual response was that he didn't mind letting me keep betting because my picks were so bad. :nopityA:
 

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How did you meet him in the first place?

Regular at a bar my friend owns. Friend of a friend deal. He was always in there drunk throwing around money talking shit. I asked if he would book my action and he said "gladly."

I placed the bets by text message. There is no dispute on the figures...
 

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First of all you need to define when to pay. When it is "High Enough" is not defined and you could be starting a problem right there.

Agree 100%. Stupid move.

The whole thing was just "friendly" anyway. Another stupid move.
 

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Bottom line is, it is fair to expect my $800 prior to any further dealings, correct?
 

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IS the guy a book or just someone this is holding your bets? What I mean is do you know of others that bet through him? I am just trying to figure out how I would handle this.
 

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IS the guy a book or just someone this is holding your bets? What I mean is do you know of others that bet through him? I am just trying to figure out how I would handle this.

As far as I can tell he is just booking my bets only.

While I was losing badly he actually said to me "thanks for all the picks. I have made your money and then some because I have been turning around and betting the opposite with my guy to double the action."

Maybe now you can see after the shit-talking he did that I would like him to pay up.
 

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You should expect everything he owes you. Not sure why you offered to settle for less.

Incentive for him to pay immediately I guess. I'm not really sweating the amount as I hadn't expected to get up this high on him. He's just a young kid who ran his mouth and I don't really have a desire to burn him TOO bad.
 

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You HAVE TO be respectful, but NEVER beg for the money ... or do not let the stiff think that you're begging.

Wait a couple of weeks ... and ask to settle after the Soup Bowl ... if he doesn't reply, you can (a) leave a note on his windshield when its parked at his place of work or (b) walk into his office with a crack-head friend from a local bar (who will get $20 for the trip) and say Hi ... nothing more ... just Hi.

I know a local who does this when someone is ignoring him and it usually works (unless the guy is a degenerate and doesn't have squat, of course) ... he also shows patience and the patience sorta says, "I know you won't dare try to stiff me" whereas your offers show that you are worried ... in a case where HE should be worried, not you.
 

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If he is not a book I am not sure using the law as a threat will help. Do you know what bookie he uses?
 

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If he is not a book I am not sure using the law as a threat will help. Do you know what bookie he uses?

No I don't. I am quite sure I can get it forcibly from him if necessary, but I don't think it will come to that (I don't want it to).

Worse comes to worse my buddy can "misplace" his CC next time he opens a tab at the bar. :lolBIG:
 

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I tell you if it were me I'd be at that bar and in his face.

But thats just me.
 

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